They don't ask an awful lot at the vatican do they?

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27 Aug 2014, 6:57 am

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Two miracles to become a saint?

Isn't one enough?

Cheeky greedy bastards!


Would you want to kiss the Pope's ring?

I wouldn't fancy that job. I'm not weird like that.


A small price to pay surely.



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27 Aug 2014, 7:00 am

Three miracles? I am going to have to call BS on that one. Einstein was not a saint. Nicola Tesla was not either. Nor was Galileo, or Leonardo Da Vinci, or Socrates, Or Benjamin Franklin, Or Abraham Lincoln, or Thomas Edison, or Newton, or Ghandi Etc Etc. Pritty sure that sainthood, or saintism, or whatever that form of ideaology falls under (Don't really know what it is called?), Is in the form of the guidelines of some other jankey rule then just performing miracles. Like a religious following or something? If it is any definition that most people give, a saint might even be considered to be people like Adolf Hitler.

Ooh. I left out Henry Ford.

Just exactly what is a miracle anyways?

It might as well be magic?


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27 Aug 2014, 9:23 am

The Catholic church is like one large Labyrinth of a BF skinner rat maze to effect behavior modification on humans.

In fact, broader autism phenotype characteristics run rampant among the folks who engage in the science of Catholic Priesthood.

Yes, my grandfather was also a Catholic Priest, and in fact a relatively infamous one, with even a book authored called 'Out of the Labyrinth' after
my beautiful 17 year old grandmother led him out of the priesthood from the pews, if you will, that I really appreciate, in getting
him ex-communicated from a silly rule broken, about not getting married for priests, who like the opposite sex in the biblical kind of way.

Sainthood is like a gold star, one gets in school for being the best student in the class.

Hell of an incentive in an imaginary afterlife called heaven.

But sadly confused and screwed up from the days of Emperor Constantine and Catholic brokers for power.

School doesn't really teach anyone about the human condition and what it takes to live a relatively stress free life.

Churches and religions attempt to do this, and in the US ways of modern Christianity do a half a** job at most.

But, no, you don't want to see psychopathic leaning individuals who never developed a moral code in church.

It is the only medicine for some, to keep them from torturing and even killing others.

A moral code, without emotional empathy for others, can be the saving grace for potential victims of this type of 'soulless' human nature.

And no, the clergy is not free from psychopaths from far, in fact a checklist in scientific research identifies the clergy in the top ten
of psychopathic leaning tendencies, among human beings; i.e. pedophilia and other 'sins' of the 'soul' that does not feel the pain of others.

No, not all pedophilia results from this human lack of human empathy, but there is certainly a correlation, and the Catholic church
as identified in all groups of clergy, is a place where these labeled and categorized folks play in life.

Obviously as marriage is out of the question among Catholic Clergy, that is why one sees more of this abhorrent human behavior, in the Catholic Church.

But as usual, correlation does not equal causation; it's just a controlled study group, the Catholic Clergy, easily tracked and followed in longitudinal study, and caught
as it were, too.


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27 Aug 2014, 10:36 am

I wonder what miracles already canonized saints performed, and how the Church decided they did, especially if they were dead.


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27 Aug 2014, 11:00 am

I know that saint patrick (an Englishman) got all of the serpents out of Ireland (meaning a religion he did not support). cleansing Ireland, and creating a new island of war, and strife in a totally different view. Without making anything actually better, or actually changing anything other than the belief of religion. Hence the day of saint patrick! (Unworthy of caps).

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27 Aug 2014, 3:58 pm

The vatican should have a title conferred upon living saints. What if your miracle is awesome longevity?



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27 Aug 2014, 4:38 pm

yournamehere wrote:
I know that saint patrick (an Englishman) got all of the serpents out of Ireland (meaning a religion he did not support). cleansing Ireland, and creating a new island of war, and strife in a totally different view. Without making anything actually better, or actually changing anything other than the belief of religion. Hence the day of saint patrick! (Unworthy of caps).

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Saint Patrick was Welsh not English. Is that supposed to be a thinly veiled anti-English rhetoric?



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27 Aug 2014, 6:06 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
yournamehere wrote:
I know that saint patrick (an Englishman) got all of the serpents out of Ireland (meaning a religion he did not support). cleansing Ireland, and creating a new island of war, and strife in a totally different view. Without making anything actually better, or actually changing anything other than the belief of religion. Hence the day of saint patrick! (Unworthy of caps).

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Saint Patrick was Welsh not English. Is that supposed to be a thinly veiled anti-English rhetoric?


Ooh really? Welsh, English, British, United Kingdom?(without the actual use of an actual king. I don't get it?), south of Scotland, east if Ireland, what is the difference? Thinly veiled, no. It is just Popery. Or pope-ery, or relating to the pope. Don't think there is a word for what I try to describe.


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27 Aug 2014, 6:19 pm

Christianity was more prevalent in Ireland and Scotland before the rest of the UK.

Actually Coptic Christianity (Egyptian), may have reached Ireland before a more recognizable Christianity the eventual took over.

This was very early church, what we now understand as the as Roman Catholicism real hadn't evolved.



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27 Aug 2014, 6:56 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Christianity was more prevalent in Ireland and Scotland before the rest of the UK.

Actually Coptic Christianity (Egyptian), may have reached Ireland before a more recognizable Christianity the eventual took over.

This was very early church, what we now understand as the as Roman Catholicism real hadn't evolved.


Ooh. I did not know that. The story I got was the dude was a slave in ireland. Went back to britland, or whatever people call it now, got his bishopship, or whatever you call that, and went back to ireland with a book, and a big jesus crucifix, and wiped out the serpents. That was Druid, or Druidism, or whatever you call that. Personally, I think it might be an interesting thing to meet an ancient druid. But no. Popery, and saintism had to screw it all up.


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27 Aug 2014, 7:47 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Christianity was more prevalent in Ireland and Scotland before the rest of the UK.

Actually Coptic Christianity (Egyptian), may have reached Ireland before a more recognizable Christianity the eventual took over.

This was very early church, what we now understand as the as Roman Catholicism real hadn't evolved.


Coptic Christianity is one of the Eastern Orthodox faiths. Still going strong in Ethiopia, and fairly strong as a minority religion in Egypt itsself. Like Greek Orthodoxy, and Russian Orthodoxy, etc, its perfectly recognizable as modern type Christianity. Its not as if its something like Gnosticism, or Arianism. It wasnt one of the heterodox christianities that got stamped out in the early days.

And I think that that yournamehere is reading too much into the snake myth. Ireland has no native snakes. So the Irish just concocted a just-so story to explain that ( St. Patrick announced one day that "any snake wishing to remain in Ireland please raise your right hand!"). Never heard that it was symbolic like that.

Of course what really happened was the glaciers pushed the snakes out of Ireland 50 thousand years ago. And then 12 thousand years ago the melt water from the retreating glaciers filled up the land around Ireland with rising seas turning it back into an island before the snakes could come back. Though some snakes did reach Britain.



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27 Aug 2014, 10:15 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Christianity was more prevalent in Ireland and Scotland before the rest of the UK.

Actually Coptic Christianity (Egyptian), may have reached Ireland before a more recognizable Christianity the eventual took over.

This was very early church, what we now understand as the as Roman Catholicism real hadn't evolved.


Coptic Christianity is one of the Eastern Orthodox faiths. Still going strong in Ethiopia, and fairly strong as a minority religion in Egypt itsself. Like Greek Orthodoxy, and Russian Orthodoxy, etc, its perfectly recognizable as modern type Christianity. Its not as if its something like Gnosticism, or Arianism. It wasnt one of the heterodox christianities that got stamped out in the early days.

Ooh. The storytime christian gobbly gook I got was some story about the serpents being an opposing religion. Or faith. Or belief. Or practice. Or whatever you want to call that druid stuff. That's it. Druid stuff! :) .

Since the story of this saint guy is such a fairy tail, gone drunk once a year, let us just say for funs sake that it is just a drunkin popery day, and it really doesn't mean much of anything. Unless it is green, and relates to little shamrocks. And rainbows of fruity colors. And beer.

And I think that that yournamehere is reading too much into the snake myth. Ireland has no native snakes. So the Irish just concocted a just-so story to explain that ( St. Patrick announced one day that "any snake wishing to remain in Ireland please raise your right hand!"). Never heard that it was symbolic like that.

I know ireland has no snakes. Just another reason why I do not understand this irish popery fairy tail day. I think the poperies hit the nail on the head with santa, and the bunney that layes eggs. Soo cool! They always had me foiled with that one. Those were the days of god jesus. He was beyond popery, and saintism. The way they depict him is pritty vile, and poverty struck though. All hung up on a cross bleeding, and wearing a diaper. I think the poperies did that for the effect. They look much prittier. And there lives are soo much easier. I'm not seeing any saints nailed to a cross because of my sins. SHAME ON THEM!! !

Of course what really happened was the glaciers pushed the snakes out of Ireland 50 thousand years ago. And then 12 thousand years ago the melt water from the retreating glaciers filled up the land around Ireland with rising seas turning it back into an island before the snakes could come back. Though some snakes did reach Britain.


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28 Aug 2014, 11:33 am

I think that every child in Christendom wonders about bunnies laying eggs, and about what either bunnies or eggs have to do with christ.

But what's "popery"?

I thought it was that stuff that you burn in a little metal thing to spread fragrance in your house. Lol!

The belief that there should be a pope is called "Papism".

But the word for "the practice of being a pope", or "the craft of being a pope" could be "popery". Might be real word. It just sounds funny.



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28 Aug 2014, 12:45 pm

Perhaps I got a little carried away. Well. Alot carried away. Popery is not a real word I don't think. It just sounds cool. I heard it in that movie the gangs of new york. The butcher said it. It just stuck with me. He was talking about american christianity, and irish popery. :lol:


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30 Aug 2014, 6:02 pm

I grew up eastern orthodox Christian. The word popery was commonly used to describe Rome's teachings abut the pope. I have heard it many of times.



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05 Sep 2014, 8:45 pm

Is having a genuinely homicidal, misanthropic view on humanity but being able to control oneself enough to keep from harming others considered a miracle? If so, call me Saint Victoria, patron saint of autistic misanthropes :P