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25 Sep 2014, 4:32 pm

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What do you consider intelligence? Knowing facts? Ability to solve problems? Is there more than one type of intelligence? What about creativity as intelligence? And does a "smart" person have only one or a few of these kinds of intelligence, or most or all of them?


Not even Mensa members can agree how to answer those questions. How do I know? The subject comes up often enough in their magazine. Certainly an IQ test result will show how good someone is at that IQ test. What else it means could be debated for an eternity.

Confession: I took their test many years ago when feeling down, the only one at work without a degree and wondering why so many educated people were so thick. I passed (158 on Cattell), and although this boosted my confidence I still haven't found it useful in the workplace, hence my search for what stops me from progressing my career.

There is a lot more to life than IQ, knowing facts or being creative - I'm just not sure what that might be!



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26 Sep 2014, 8:44 am

To be smart means to agree with the one considering you smart :P


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26 Sep 2014, 10:40 am

Smart in todays world means to know at all times the location of Kim Kardashian, to know who is leading in popularity on DWTS and knowing where to get the new version of the latest iPhone at the lowest price.



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26 Sep 2014, 12:14 pm

I saw this on wikipedia a time back, it still makes laugh :)

Mensa International
Top 2 percent of population (98th percentile; 1 person out of 50; approximately IQ 130):
~110,000 members[/b] from ~100 countries; annual dues for American Mensa are $70 (dues differ by country).

Intertel
Top 1 percent (99th percentile; 1 out of 100; approximately IQ 135):
as of January 2014, 1,300-1,400 members; annual dues are $39.

Triple Nine Society
Top 0.1 percent (99.9th percentile; 1 out of 1,000; approximately IQ 145):
~1,225 members from ~40 countries; annual dues are $10.

International Society for Philosophical Enquiry? as of January 2014, 400-500 members; annual dues are $50.
Top 0.003 percent (99.997th percentile; 1 out of 30,000; approximately IQ 160):

Prometheus Society ? as of January 2014, ~120 members; annual dues are $50.
Top 0.0001 percent (not reliable with current tests):

Mega Society ? Top 0.0001 percent - as of January 2014, 26 members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_IQ_society



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26 Sep 2014, 12:18 pm

if you are looking for mind-crushing questions to prove your intellectual mettle ...

here are few Mega Society questions to ponder ...

Problem 120 ? Feeding Three Truck-drivers (page 34)
Three truck-drivers went into a roadside café. One truck-driver purchased four sandwiches, a cup of coffee and ten doughnuts for $1.69. Another truck-driver purchased three sandwiches, a cup of coffee and seven doughnuts for $1.26. What did the third truck-driver pay for a sandwich, a cup of coffee and a doughnut?

Problem 236 ?How Old Is Willie? (page 64)
?Did your teacher give you that problem?? I asked. ?It looks rather tedious.?
?No,? said Willie, ?I made it up. It?s a polynomial equation with my age as a root. That is, x stands for my age my last birthday.?
?Well, then,? I remarked, ?It shouldn?t be so hard to work out ? integer coefficients, integral root. Suppose I try x = 7 . . . No, that gives 77.?
?Do I look only seven years old?? demanded Willie.
?Well, let me try a larger integer . . . No, that gives 85, not zero.?
?Oh, stop kidding!? said Willie, looking over my shoulder. ?You know I?m older than that.?
How old is Willie?

http://megasociety.org/noesis/174-175.pdf



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26 Sep 2014, 1:06 pm

khaoz wrote:
Smart in todays world means to know at all times the location of Kim Kardashian, to know who is leading in popularity on DWTS and knowing where to get the new version of the latest iPhone at the lowest price.


I can't figure out the fascination with Kim Kardashian and I do not believe that a substantial number of people off of Internet Chatter and her moderately popular TV shows in popular culture sites and channels, have much fascination with her, in much larger REAL LIFE.

But the fascination with Dancing with the Stars is clear and understandable to me and also related to the REAL intelligence of physical intelligence.

Most human beings these days are sadly resigned to a life of couch potato or office chair potato either at home or work. The closest thing they can get to true physical intelligence is through the mirror neuron process and watching other folks vicariously exercising their physical intelligence. And nah, just walking in a straight line around a block or side walk or riding a bike or treadmill won't do the trick any more than it will for a rat in a cage on a treadmill, who will never go back to that treadmill by instinctual need for physical intelligence if let out.

Beyond this the obvious and very valuable reason people watch Dancing with the Stars is for the value of Emotional Intelligence and having something to share around the water cooler at work besides the weather, and how 'Johnny or Susie' is having problems at school.

The reality of the world of the social animal is social cognition is the most important skill of true intelligence there is.

The champion at the water cooler in terms of small talk is often the one that is promoted, regardless of facts and figures, or 'brick and mortar' work skills.

Social knowledge is and always will be key to success in life, still even for even basic subsistence. Sure there are plenty of examples that break this mold, but still it is and always will be THE MOLD. YES, the social mode, where emotional intelligence IS KING.

AND YES, for folks on the Autism spectrum no matter how high a standard IQ test in measuring skills to pass classes in our cultural way of knowledge, it FAILS MISERABLY to measure any emotional or physical intelligence.

Those are the tests that people should really be taking, to have a successful culture and way of life.

But there is Dancing with the Stars.

And yes, considering all of Intelligence I guess it's better than nothing.

And I acknowledge I personally have had severe problems with Emotional and Physical Intelligence and realize they are the most important types of Intelligence.

But my ability to recognize it, know it is a severe weakness, and work on it, makes me almost incredibly smarter than any IQ test I scored 130 to 140 on, yes as empirically viewed by other professionals too.

I personally know I was 'RETARDED'; YES slow on these other types of Intelligence.

But I caught up through great effort in remedial optional courses of life, which HELL NO is not taught in school. These emotional and physical intelligences are learned through instinct and intuition in the REAL WORLD. But no, almost impossible to understand if a person has never had strength in those types of Intelligence, but once gained a true GAME CHANGER in life, and OMG AHA MOMENT.

And I do have the empirical evidence for that too, as I score an 11 on the Autism Quotient test now as opposed to the 44 to 45 range a little over a year ago, and a 92 on the Aspie Quiz as opposed to 195 a little over a year ago. In addition, a 95 on the Emotional Quotient test as opposed to mid 50's a little over a year ago.

How did I do it: simply by a course built by me, to enhance emotional and physical intelligence.

Bottom line is, it worked, and is empirically evidenced as working. I used to also have such great difficultly in executive functioning in moving around in my immediate home environment and finding things that it was hard to find an oatmeal bowl in the cabinet in my house.

I literally run circles around my wife now, as many folks in real life view me as a professional dancer now. Truly the key to most of my success now in non-verbal language and emotional intelligence is simply in dance, as science now shows that a body in movement and balance also leads to a mind that works much more efficiently and intelligently, including physical and emotional intelligence, per empirical measure, in REAL everyday life.

The most exciting part of this, is, this type of 'RETARDATION' per deficits in physical and emotional intelligence is TRULY POTENTIALLY CURABLE and documented as such, specifically in my own life, per medical records too.

It took me over 5 decades to accomplish this. But once again, the bottom line at least for me is HELL YES it works and is WORTH ALL THE DAM EFFORT AND NAYSAYERS TOO. I CURED myself cause I BELIEVED I COULD. WITHOUT belief it would have never happened. And WITH faith and hope and will, all extremely powerful and beneficial human attributes that have always been here with or without religion in the HEALTHY WELL BALANCED SOCIAL ANIMAL human condition.


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26 Sep 2014, 2:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
What do you consider intelligence? Knowing facts? Ability to solve problems? Is there more than one type of intelligence? What about creativity as intelligence? And does a "smart" person have only one or a few of these kinds of intelligence, or most or all of them?



I think the "smart" person is the person who does not boast to others how high his/her IQ is.

"those who know don't speak. Those who speak, don't know."

Korean saying; "an empty can makes more noise than a full one."



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26 Sep 2014, 2:59 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Problem 120 ? Feeding Three Truck-drivers (page 34)
Three truck-drivers went into a roadside café. One truck-driver purchased four sandwiches, a cup of coffee and ten doughnuts for $1.69. Another truck-driver purchased three sandwiches, a cup of coffee and seven doughnuts for $1.26. What did the third truck-driver pay for a sandwich, a cup of coffee and a doughnut?


With prices like that, the cafe probably paid him.

But seriously------I have no idea. But I'd love to know the address of this place.



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26 Sep 2014, 5:01 pm

Janissy wrote:
With prices like that, the cafe probably paid him.
But seriously------I have no idea. But I'd love to know the address of this place.


To be successful at these IQ tests takes many years of solving math problems, so they are somewhat biased towards experience.

Problem 120 ? Feeding Three Truck-drivers (page 34)
Three truck-drivers went into a roadside café. One truck-driver purchased four sandwiches, a cup of coffee and ten doughnuts for $1.69. Another truck-driver purchased three sandwiches, a cup of coffee and seven doughnuts for $1.26. What did the third truck-driver pay for a sandwich, a cup of coffee and a doughnut?

Driver 1: 4x + 1y + 10z = 1.69
Driver 2: 3x + 1y + 7z = 1.26
Driver 3: 1x + 1y + 1z = ?

so, (4x + 1y + 10z) - (3x + 1y + 7z) = 1.69 - 1.26
so, x + 3z = .43
so x = .43 - 3z

so, 4(.43 - 3z) + y + 10z = 1.69
so, 1.72 - 12z + y + 10z = 1.69
so, y = -.03 + 2z

Driver 3: (1x + 1y + 1z )= (.43 - 3z) + (-.03 + 2z) + z = .4

so 40 cents



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26 Sep 2014, 5:17 pm

If anyone wants ultimate challenge in math, try the 'William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition' exam ...

"It is widely considered by to be the most prestigious university-level mathematics examination in the world and its difficulty is such that the median score is often zero or one (out of 120) despite being attempted by students specializing in mathematics".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lo ... ompetition

Here are some past exams:
http://math.ucsd.edu/~pfitz/pastputnam.html

A seemingly easy problem on the 2010 exam ...

A1. Given a positive integer n, what is the largest k such that the numbers 1, 2, . . ., n
can be put into k boxes so that the sum of the numbers in each box is the same?
[When n = 8, the example {1, 2, 3, 6}, {4, 8}, {5, 7} shows that the largest k is at least 3.]