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12 Sep 2014, 6:38 pm

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How do you know that anyone has ASD then professionally diagnosed or not?


BPD really f--k everything up.Or maybe experts need to study
ASD and BPD better. Or maybe BPD should just be part of ASD



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12 Sep 2014, 6:40 pm

I've been officially diagnosed, but I pass so well for "normal" that people tend to ignore or downplay the issues I do have. It's absolutely frustrating, I mean, why the f**k else do I not have a job, or a car, or a girlfriend? I know I need a job to pay the bills, but I don't really care about the other things.



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12 Sep 2014, 6:44 pm

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what about BPD.Even experts can't tell the difference between bpd and ASD.



And what should that tell you about the "experts"?

Psychiatry is more an Art than a Science. These people may be able to give an informed opinion, based on their observations, but they can't "know" a person has an ASD. In that sense it's still a subjective verdict rather than an objective one.

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I think in a lot of cases it is pretty obvious when people have clear autistic traits.


I've had over half a century of living with just about all the social, interpersonal, attitudinal and sensory issues that are widely described as autistic traits, and on that basis I'm as sure as any expert (who might give me two or three hours of his or her time) that I'm in the ASD arena. I come on this site to read and learn from the experiences of others, whether diagnosed or not, to offer the odd perspective of my own (for what that's worth), and to play wordgames in "Off The Wall"! I have no interest in belittling the social skills of the OP or anyone else, and have noticed very little of that anywhere on WP.



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12 Sep 2014, 7:01 pm

One of the main reasons why I can't financially afford to have a proper diagnosis done is that I am an under-achiever,
precisely because of my autistic condition.
As people with Aspergers syndrome usually have above average intelligence, it is fairly easy for most of them to
work it out for themselves whether they have those autistic traits or not.
In addition to that I got plenty of confirmation from people who know me well, that I indeed have those traits and difficulties
with my perception and hypersensitive nervous system.
Spending so much money on someone telling me what I already know serves no purpose at all, especially when I need the money to
have some dental treatment done, which does serve a practical purpose.
And I can't see any logical relation between not having a diagnosis and putting people down for their difficulties in coping with life either.



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12 Sep 2014, 7:03 pm

I've not been officially diagnosed (yet), but I have a provisional diagnosis. I know that I have never done what you are describing, nor have I seen many others, if any, who did. I have seen people that say they don't have as much problem with social interaction as some of us, but I am pretty sure they weren't saying it to try to tell others they were better than them, usually it was because (at least for undiagnosed individuals) they were asked about it, because in their original post they said they weren't sure if they had it or not.

I could see how it might be annoying for some if they see someone claiming that they probably have ASD, yet have few problems in life with social interaction or functioning in general, because in an indirect way it does downplay the issues that many on the spectrum have; in these cases they seem like they have not really put in a whole lot of thought about it, and it is confusing to me sometimes because I don't understand why they are wondering about it if they don't have any problems in the first place. Some people I've seen that have done it admit that they haven't had many, if any, significant problems.

But that still doesn't mean they are trying to offend people, they may just be curious because people around them keep telling them "You must be an Aspie because...", so they want to get an opinion from people who actually know first-hand what it's like. Even if they do have something else, or nothing at all, so what? If someone is trying to put others down, someone else will call them out for it. I definitely would if I saw it happening. I think you may just be misinterpreting people's intentions; then again, I still don't even know who exactly you are referring to, as I've never really seen anything like that on here.


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12 Sep 2014, 7:14 pm

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I could see how it might be annoying for some if they see someone claiming that they probably have ASD, yet have few problems in life with social interaction or functioning in general, because in an indirect way it does downplay the issues that many on the spectrum have; in these cases they seem like they have not really put in a whole lot of thought about it, and it is confusing to me sometimes because I don't understand why they are wondering about it if they don't have any problems in the first place. Some people I've seen that have done it admit that they haven't had many, if any, significant problems.

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Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.



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12 Sep 2014, 7:31 pm

Ultimately, "this is the internet".

If people are saying they have been diagnosed, that in practice on WrongPlanet has as much credibility as the people who believe they are on the spectrum but who do not have any official diagnosis because there is really not often any way to actually 100% confirm either way.

The only way to deal with this possible uncertainty in this case is to just assume that everyone is telling the truth and is accurate in their judgement until there is very very good reason to assume otherwise, really. Otherwise it will become a witch hunt- and then anyone becomes a witch. Not a good time.


There are also a lot of reasons ASD can be misdiagnosed as BPD- a lot of the time it has to do with stigmatization within mental health systems, not necessarily just presentation of symptoms. Suckity suck.


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12 Sep 2014, 7:33 pm

I've not seen what you're talking about first hand, but I will be honest and say that sometimes I find it annoying when self-suspecting or even diagnosed people whose most impacting issues are all social try to give advice on major difficulties with independent living skills and daily functioning. Kind of different, but yeah.

Anyways, I don't think it's okay for anybody, officially diagnosed or otherwise, to downplay others difficulties on this site just because they personally do not share them or do not share them to the same degree. Although, I do understand being completely apathetic to certain issues on here, but if they aren't able to understand what the other is going through, then it's better to just refrain from replying. That's that imo.



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12 Sep 2014, 7:36 pm

billiscool wrote:
L_Holmes wrote:

I could see how it might be annoying for some if they see someone claiming that they probably have ASD, yet have few problems in life with social interaction or functioning in general, because in an indirect way it does downplay the issues that many on the spectrum have; in these cases they seem like they have not really put in a whole lot of thought about it, and it is confusing to me sometimes because I don't understand why they are wondering about it if they don't have any problems in the first place. Some people I've seen that have done it admit that they haven't had many, if any, significant problems.

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Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.


Ok, I see what you're saying. I have really only gotten this kind of response from NT's, because many of them have the mentality that hard work solves everything, and that includes totally overcoming any disability, because they just don't know what it is like. I don't know who you are referring to, but I don't think they would be intentionally trying to put people down; I could be wrong.

The thing to remember, though, is that nobody has any real control over other people, especially not by telling people that they don't even know what to do online. If they want to think they know better than others then there's not a whole lot we can do, they can think what they want. If they are clearly bullying then they should be reported. But if they are just saying what they think, like that if others would just do this thing they'd be successful, they aren't really doing anything worth getting mad about, unless they are intending to cause conflict.


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12 Sep 2014, 7:37 pm

billiscool wrote:
L_Holmes wrote:

I could see how it might be annoying for some if they see someone claiming that they probably have ASD, yet have few problems in life with social interaction or functioning in general, because in an indirect way it does downplay the issues that many on the spectrum have; in these cases they seem like they have not really put in a whole lot of thought about it, and it is confusing to me sometimes because I don't understand why they are wondering about it if they don't have any problems in the first place. Some people I've seen that have done it admit that they haven't had many, if any, significant problems.

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Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.


I agree that this kind of situation is extremely frustrating in that the litmus test is supposed to be a certain amount of dysfunction, and also there is pretty decent reason to believe that not everyone's experience is the same. Environment; physical, cognitive, emotional resources; education; socioeconomic status; support system. On and on. There's likely a certain amount of random opportunity to some of it that factors in as well.

But if your functioning is not diminished in the first place, I'm not sure how you could claim to have any kind of diagnosis- official or otherwise. To be diagnosed with anything is to deviate from the norm because there is difficulty in functioning [whether it is merely a difficulty coping or something else]. If this isn't present i don't understand how there could be anything to diagnose... nor why one would seek a diagnosis. Why would it be helpful?


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12 Sep 2014, 7:58 pm

billiscool wrote:

Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.


Oh, now I can see why you are upset and this is making much more sense. If this is the case, however, that it is just one person who used to do this and if it is bothering you so much than it would be best to take it up with her. But if you are not able to reach her or if you do not feel able to confront her directly than this post you wrote here should have been mentioned in your original post. That would have made so much more sense and been much more accurate and fair than just making a general statement about undiagnosed people doing something here that they have not been doing.


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12 Sep 2014, 7:59 pm

SignOfLazarus wrote:
billiscool wrote:
L_Holmes wrote:

I could see how it might be annoying for some if they see someone claiming that they probably have ASD, yet have few problems in life with social interaction or functioning in general, because in an indirect way it does downplay the issues that many on the spectrum have; in these cases they seem like they have not really put in a whole lot of thought about it, and it is confusing to me sometimes because I don't understand why they are wondering about it if they don't have any problems in the first place. Some people I've seen that have done it admit that they haven't had many, if any, significant problems.

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Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.


I agree that this kind of situation is extremely frustrating in that the litmus test is supposed to be a certain amount of dysfunction, and also there is pretty decent reason to believe that not everyone's experience is the same. Environment; physical, cognitive, emotional resources; education; socioeconomic status; support system. On and on. There's likely a certain amount of random opportunity to some of it that factors in as well.

But if your functioning is not diminished in the first place, I'm not sure how you could claim to have any kind of diagnosis- official or otherwise. To be diagnosed with anything is to deviate from the norm because there is difficulty in functioning [whether it is merely a difficulty coping or something else]. If this isn't present i don't understand how there could be anything to diagnose... nor why one would seek a diagnosis. Why would it be helpful?


My thoughts exactly. I have seen people in my life claim they think they have this or that, yet have almost no problems functioning, so it seems more based on getting attention. They think they have ADD because they don't pay attention in some of their classes and they sometimes lose their keys. They think they have OCD if they like to be very neat and organized. And the list goes on.

To me it seems to be a social thing, for some reason that I don't understand they think it would be cool to have these disorders; but they never even seek out a real diagnosis because they don't have a problem to begin with. People seem to assume that a mental disorder is totally based on personality traits rather than the fact that it is disabling in some way.

It seems to me that most "normal" people just don't think about anything; they jump to conclusions and make connections that aren't there. It is extremely annoying.


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13 Sep 2014, 11:26 am

SignOfLazarus wrote:
Otherwise it will become a witch hunt- and then anyone becomes a witch. Not a good time.


Can i be a wizard instead?



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13 Sep 2014, 12:25 pm

iammaz wrote:
SignOfLazarus wrote:
Otherwise it will become a witch hunt- and then anyone becomes a witch. Not a good time.


Can i be a wizard instead?

YES!


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13 Sep 2014, 12:41 pm

skibum wrote:
billiscool wrote:

Yeah,that's pretty much it.There is an Older female poster here
that use to put people down because they couldn't just go
out and succeed like she could.If you just do A,then you
could succeed just like her.


Oh, now I can see why you are upset and this is making much more sense. If this is the case, however, that it is just one person who used to do this and if it is bothering you so much than it would be best to take it up with her. But if you are not able to reach her or if you do not feel able to confront her directly than this post you wrote here should have been mentioned in your original post. That would have made so much more sense and been much more accurate and fair than just making a general statement about undiagnosed people doing something here that they have not been doing.


Sorry, skibum, for disagreeing with you, but I could understand what billi was saying in the OP itself. I thought I might paraphrase it but then I can see L_Holmes has already done it beautifully (in the 19th reply).