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04 Mar 2007, 4:21 pm

Does anyone here with AS have times when they think slowly, and can't get their head around much?
My thoughts get scrambled sometimes, and I don't think so well then. Often when something's on my mind or the situation is chaotic. I've been feeling like that for most of today for some reason.


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04 Mar 2007, 4:34 pm

I take these as two different items.

My mind is oft slower than anyone else's, BUT when it does arrive at an answer that will be the best answer in the room.

When my mind is online, it is awesome. However;
1. It works well within the confines of lpgic. In the nonlogical realm it sucks.

2. It can go offline. F'rinstance, once I was installing electrical in a friend's house. Several days. The people who pulled wires had made not noted alterations. I was looking at a can with more wires than should have been there. No bloody idea. My mind went offline. I might have as well been looking at spaghetti!

I had an idebtity crisis.


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04 Mar 2007, 4:42 pm

Mines usually offline, and comes online once in a while (I really have to be interested)

-I think I am suffering from mild depression - about 5 years now.



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04 Mar 2007, 5:08 pm

Anubis wrote:
Does anyone here with AS have times when they think slowly, and can't get their head around much?
My thoughts get scrambled sometimes, and I don't think so well then. Often when something's on my mind or the situation is chaotic. I've been feeling like that for most of today for some reason.


i would call that a 'foggy' day. i sympathise, it is very boring if that goes on for too long without a clear day.

but my least favourite is when i have emotional responses to every tiny sight smell or sound, sparking a whole stream of memories and strong seemingly unconnected emotions like a kind of random synesthesia. that one is just plain distracting.



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04 Mar 2007, 5:19 pm

nutbag wrote:
I take these as two different items.

My mind is oft slower than anyone else's, BUT when it does arrive at an answer that will be the best answer in the room.

When my mind is online, it is awesome. However;
1. It works well within the confines of lpgic. In the nonlogical realm it sucks.

2. It can go offline. F'rinstance, once I was installing electrical in a friend's house. Several days. The people who pulled wires had made not noted alterations. I was looking at a can with more wires than should have been there. No bloody idea. My mind went offline. I might have as well been looking at spaghetti!

I had an idebtity crisis.


I'm similar, but I'm not that often slower than everyone else. Every once and a while someone will speak up much sooner, but have nothing really worth while.

I can relate to the unexpected event problem though. If you are supposed to install a single throw single pole switch(2 wires), and now find 4 wires, WHAT does that mean? DTSP w/ ground? STDP w/dual source? STSP w/ outlet? TOTAL ERROR? WHAT? And that is a SIMPLE problem!

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04 Mar 2007, 5:25 pm

"Processsing" is a word which is a metaphor. It is not about brains, but computers. Brains don't process and they don't compute. But they do handle scads of information: sights, sounds, tempratures, touch--and even words.

In people, information comes in and information goes out. When we describe those things, it is difficult not to use the word "process". But we forget that using words is a learned ability, much like riding a bike. So we forget that it is made up of individual steps, which began as writing letters, etc. etc. Do we say riding a bike is a "process"?

OK, so now you know I *hate* the word "process". :) At an rate...

I am Asperger's and severe ADHD. I take this to mean that a huge amount of information is always going in, and, depending on the day, very little of it may get out. And depending on a lot of things, I may get so caught up in monitoring and editing what goes out--when I'm speaking/writing, for instance--that even less goes out.

Thus "self-reports" can be difficult if one gets caught up in the stuff we use words for. I sometimes wake up and I can point to the toaster, but I can't say the name. Doesn't mean the information isn't in there, or coming into my brain. I sometimes am in groups of people and can't even respond to what they're saying. Right then. But ask me six months from now, and sometimes I can completely reproduce the conversations others were having--and even describe my own fog.

My information intake is a lot bigger than neurotypicals, exponentially so, according to their reports. My information output, when not in a fog, can be overwhelming--from their self-reports. But on some days I can't even turn a corner in my own house without hitting it with some part of my body.

For me, ADHD medicine has helped this tremendously. But even then, not always or regularly. If I have a cold, for instance, I'm right back in the fog. But we are mistaken when we think the "fog" is a coma--and especially when we judge ourselves based on being in the fog. Why?

Because those judgments can make us not understand the breadth of information coming in, even when we don't know it.

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04 Mar 2007, 7:08 pm

i think my As has left me and not a moment too soon. i think a glutin free diet has cured me, now im pretty shure alls i have is just mild depression.


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04 Mar 2007, 8:50 pm

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i think my As has left me and not a moment too soon. i think a glutin free diet has cured me, now im pretty shure alls i have is just mild depression.


Gee, then I guess you didn't have AS. The diet is supposed to help reduce/eliminate the autistic like symptoms. It would be funny if it caused everything, especially since almost everyone eats that kind of diet, and they have like every kind of reaction to it imaginable. The social deficit, language/logical enhancement, interests, etc... Are hard to explain with just a simple chemical.

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04 Mar 2007, 8:52 pm

Mine at times will seemingly go off-line but most times I feel like I can't stop thinking.



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04 Mar 2007, 9:22 pm

in the part of my brain I spend my time in stuff moves very deliberatly, in the back of my brain, where I push stuff that I don't want to work on, well, it's the back room, I don't know what happens back there, but when I put something back there so long as I have all the information I need the anwer WILL come back eventually, and it will be right

I arrive at answers more quickly usually in part because of this almost dual core structure <you'd have to be in here to get it, it really does feel like the other room is a seperate processor core sometimes> and also in part because I don't have to go through all the steps, I can use associations to skip steps that other people have to muddle through

so it's like compoaring equiv amd/intel processors, intels have higher clock speeds, but the amd can do just as well <if not better in tasks it is suited for>



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04 Mar 2007, 9:37 pm

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in the part of my brain I spend my time in stuff moves very deliberatly, in the back of my brain, where I push stuff that I don't want to work on, well, it's the back room, I don't know what happens back there, but when I put something back there so long as I have all the information I need the anwer WILL come back eventually, and it will be right

I arrive at answers more quickly usually in part because of this almost dual core structure <you'd have to be in here to get it, it really does feel like the other room is a seperate processor core sometimes> and also in part because I don't have to go through all the steps, I can use associations to skip steps that other people have to muddle through

so it's like compoaring equiv amd/intel processors, intels have higher clock speeds, but the amd can do just as well <if not better in tasks it is suited for>


Yeah, I'm the same way. They USED to be almost like one huge system, but know it seems like a much smaller one hooked up to the larger with a kind of dinky network. 8-( Oh well, like you, the right answer DOES come back eventually.(I just get frustrated at the 3 second mark.)

And I used to be like mish.(Always thinking) That was one reason why I had insomnia so much. I coldn't go to sleep with all those thoughts. 8-(

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04 Mar 2007, 9:42 pm

SteveK wrote:
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in the part of my brain I spend my time in stuff moves very deliberatly, in the back of my brain, where I push stuff that I don't want to work on, well, it's the back room, I don't know what happens back there, but when I put something back there so long as I have all the information I need the anwer WILL come back eventually, and it will be right

I arrive at answers more quickly usually in part because of this almost dual core structure <you'd have to be in here to get it, it really does feel like the other room is a seperate processor core sometimes> and also in part because I don't have to go through all the steps, I can use associations to skip steps that other people have to muddle through

so it's like compoaring equiv amd/intel processors, intels have higher clock speeds, but the amd can do just as well <if not better in tasks it is suited for>


Yeah, I'm the same way. They USED to be almost like one huge system, but know it seems like a much smaller one hooked up to the larger with a kind of dinky network. 8-( Oh well, like you, the right answer DOES come back eventually.(I just get frustrated at the 3 second mark.)

And I used to be like mish.(Always thinking) That was one reason why I had insomnia so much. I coldn't go to sleep with all those thoughts. 8-(

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04 Mar 2007, 9:43 pm

SteveK wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
i think my As has left me and not a moment too soon. i think a glutin free diet has cured me, now im pretty shure alls i have is just mild depression.
Gee, then I guess you didn't have AS. The diet is supposed to help reduce/eliminate the autistic like symptoms. It would be funny if it caused everything, especially since almost everyone eats that kind of diet, and they have like every kind of reaction to it imaginable. The social deficit, language/logical enhancement, interests, etc... Are hard to explain with just a simple chemical. Steve
however do you see past your nose? should i get off the board because i have been symptom free now for about a month? isnt it your goal to be as normal as possible? or do you want more autism?


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04 Mar 2007, 9:58 pm

I do seem to think slower than most, but I think a lot of it comes from sounds. I hear people say things to me, but they are just sounds for what seems to be an eternity then finally they coalesce into something I can understand. Meanwhile, there looking at me like I have three heads, until I finally answer.
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05 Mar 2007, 1:48 am

richardbenson wrote:
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richardbenson wrote:
i think my As has left me and not a moment too soon. i think a glutin free diet has cured me, now im pretty shure alls i have is just mild depression.
Gee, then I guess you didn't have AS. The diet is supposed to help reduce/eliminate the autistic like symptoms. It would be funny if it caused everything, especially since almost everyone eats that kind of diet, and they have like every kind of reaction to it imaginable. The social deficit, language/logical enhancement, interests, etc... Are hard to explain with just a simple chemical. Steve
however do you see past your nose? should i get off the board because i have been symptom free now for about a month? isnt it your goal to be as normal as possible? or do you want more autism?


I wasn't suggesting yo should get off the board, or try to keep bad or seperating, symptoms. I was only saying AS coldn't be "cured".

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05 Mar 2007, 3:16 pm

SteveK wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
SteveK wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
i think my As has left me and not a moment too soon. i think a glutin free diet has cured me, now im pretty shure alls i have is just mild depression.
Gee, then I guess you didn't have AS. The diet is supposed to help reduce/eliminate the autistic like symptoms. It would be funny if it caused everything, especially since almost everyone eats that kind of diet, and they have like every kind of reaction to it imaginable. The social deficit, language/logical enhancement, interests, etc... Are hard to explain with just a simple chemical. Steve
however do you see past your nose? should i get off the board because i have been symptom free now for about a month? isnt it your goal to be as normal as possible? or do you want more autism?


I wasn't suggesting yo should get off the board, or try to keep bad or seperating, symptoms. I was only saying AS coldn't be "cured".

Steve


actually i found the diet change improved my functioning quite drastically too. now, a 20% improvement might make one pass for normal but by comparison not another. i don't know. but if you have found a way to help yourself function better, i'd be suprised if you didn't take that route.

[[ isnt it your goal to be as normal as possible?]]

no way! did you learn nothing in your time as an asperger? *spits* of course it would be nice to pass, go for longer times in the general public without gratuitous hassle...