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LoveNotHate
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29 Oct 2014, 7:29 pm

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Last time I read about this, when actually looking at who was excluded, the far majority excluded were white, and that did not even include "Hispanic white people".

The total number of people excluded, and the race of each one is known. How does that crucial , definitive piece of evidence get left out of the article? I will try to find it on another topic where I researched it.

EDIT: I could not find the actual data anywhere.


Actually, it didn't leave it out. If you look, there is a bar that shows who was excluded, who were mostly white people. However, on a proportionate basis, a racial minority person was more likely to be affected than a white person, given the much larger white population.


The list of double voters are largely people registered in two states. It is possible that there are many duplicates on the list. Thus, there is no data on a per person basis. And it is very possible that there is no bias towards minorities.


Actually, that was addressed. Many African-Americans' ancestors, after they were freed, took their master's names; 53% of Jacksons in this country are black, for example. The same was true with names among Asian-Americans, where they are much more likely to share surnames than white people are. Minorities have the more common names and so are more likely to be ensnared in this.


if Joe Smith lived/registered in Dallas, TX, and moves in Tampa,FL and registers he may appear twice on the list. Once when the state of Texas's CrossCheck program sees he is dual registered, and again when Florida CrossCheck programs sees he is dual registered. Thus, in the aggregate list - he is counted twice. And this article points to the aggregate list.

Thus, just looking at the list is not right. The data per person is what matters. I would think that data would be available, but I can't find it.

Statistics can be manipulated so easily, e.g., in this case, if they include duplicates or not.



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29 Oct 2014, 7:44 pm

This is all an attempt to throw the system into chaos so the Conservatives can steal what they are incapable of winning honestly. Once they are elected they can just scrub all of this bureaucratic cluster*&#@ away as if it never existed in the first place.



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29 Oct 2014, 7:45 pm

Also ...

Black people had a higher turn out in 2012 based on percent (rate), than white people. The article confuses population with voters when it states "one out seven X number people in those states". What is being looked at is voters, not population. This definitely should been taken in account in the article.

I am not saying they are wrong. I just don't see the math evidence to back up the accusation.

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29 Oct 2014, 8:15 pm

Ah, but any conservative will tell you how this is 2014, and Jim Crow and racism doesn't exist anymore - unless their talking about "reverse racism." :P


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29 Oct 2014, 9:50 pm

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30 Oct 2014, 12:14 am

^^^
Then how is what I posted not true?


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30 Oct 2014, 10:11 am

One thing about Cross Check:
They don't bother to take different middle names or different social security number into account.


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30 Oct 2014, 10:40 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
^^^
Then how is what I posted not true?


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Ah, but any conservative will tell you ....

There you go again assuming everyone is as blindly partisan as you are.


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....how this is 2014, and Jim Crow and racism doesn't exist anymore -

Who said it didnt exist at all? It DOES exist and will always exist BUT the level of it is so diminished from what it was that by comparison it is nearly non-existent. 50 years ago the south was like apartheid South Africa. The only reason the left still has an interest in "racial equality" is only part of a bigger strategy to get more free stuff.

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unless their talking about "reverse racism." :P

There is reverse racism, too.
Racism is racism and I refuse to downplay one while blowing the other out of proportion.


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30 Oct 2014, 11:44 am

Raptor-

I recall every time racism in modern America was brought up in the past, you'd answer with: "This is 2014!" And no, I'm not accusing you of racism; I'm saying those conservatives not motivated by racism have blinders on. At least you concede that that ugly thing still exists.
And I'm not denying reverse racism; my point is, listening to racially motivated conservatives, you'd think that's the only racism alive today.


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30 Oct 2014, 12:00 pm

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The only reason the left still has an interest in "racial equality" is only part of a bigger strategy to get more free stuff.


^^ this appears to be the motive of almost all left wing causes

Left wing cause:------------ Motivation:
1. Wealth Inequality---------take from rich, give to me, and I am *not* sharing my piece of pie
2. Lower Home Loans-------make it easier for ME to get a loan
3. Minimum wage-----------give me more pay!
4. Health Care---------------"FREE" health care
5. Welfare--------------------more of it
6. "noone is self made"------so it is OK to take money from them
7. Unemployment------------provide ME with a better job
8. Taxes-----------------------Raise them of course and use them to benefit ME
9. Education------------------easier student loans, government run education so "free"



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30 Oct 2014, 12:34 pm

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I recall every time racism in modern America was brought up in the past, you'd answer with: "This is 2014!"

And it is 2014, but apparently you in your little shell still think the world outside of yours is still living 50 years in the past. Most (not all) of the blacks I know and have known do no dote on race or racism the way you do.

Here, I'll say it for you since I know what you're thinking.
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In whichever terrible backward red state you obviously live in, Raptor, I'm sure any black that voiced concerns about racism would be visited by the klan.
There, I saved you the trouble.


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And no, I'm not accusing you of racism;
You are, too. :shameonyou:

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I'm saying those conservatives not motivated by racism have blinders on.
But to you anything conservative has a racist or homophobic undercurrent.

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At least you concede that that ugly thing still exists.

I haven't concede diddly. I never said racism is non-existent.

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And I'm not denying reverse racism; my point is, listening to racially motivated conservatives, you'd think that's the only racism alive today.

You would know since your kind loves to torture themselves listening to Limbaugh and reading conservative websites and blogs. When you all arent doing that you're listening liberal talking heads and and reading liberal websites to tell you what your opinion is and what your supposed to be angry about this week. :roll:


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30 Oct 2014, 6:32 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The only reason the left still has an interest in "racial equality" is only part of a bigger strategy to get more free stuff.


^^ this appears to be the motive of almost all left wing causes

Left wing cause:------------ Motivation:
1. Wealth Inequality---------take from rich, give to me, and I am *not* sharing my piece of pie
2. Lower Home Loans-------make it easier for ME to get a loan
3. Minimum wage-----------give me more pay!
4. Health Care---------------"FREE" health care
5. Welfare--------------------more of it
6. "noone is self made"------so it is OK to take money from them
7. Unemployment------------provide ME with a better job
8. Taxes-----------------------Raise them of course and use them to benefit ME
9. Education------------------easier student loans, government run education so "free"


:lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


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04 Nov 2014, 7:59 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Raptor wrote:
The only reason the left still has an interest in "racial equality" is only part of a bigger strategy to get more free stuff.


^^ this appears to be the motive of almost all left wing causes

Left wing cause:------------ Motivation:
4. Health Care---------------"FREE" health care

I've heard enough to conclude that you would rather I had no health care. fine. I'd be better off dead than living with people who didn't give a damn whether I lived or died, anyways.