no difference between autistic and NT brains - large study

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14 Nov 2014, 5:20 pm

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Current brain scanning technology is really pretty crude compared to what people imagine. You could have a brain with zero connections between any of the neurons (you'd be utterly dead) and you'd never be able to tell from medical scanning technology (there are some new, research-level scans that would, though). Scans nowadays are onlyod for large-scale things like bullets, bleeding blood vessels or macroscopic lesions (MS, anoxic damage) or tumors. The point being that things like ASD are almost certainly a matter of the brain's microscopic wiring.


That is why I am not buying the "no difference hypothesis".

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16 Nov 2014, 5:04 am

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I had real difficulty reading the huge amount of text and had to stop but the idea that general practice doctors and psychiatrists have never heard of epigenetics is odd?

Most GPs and psychiatrists would have at least passing knowledge of epigenetics and psychiatrists have knowledge of the concept of neuroplasticity simply through there work. There are medications that are even suspected to be neuroregenerative (psychotropic) even. It would be a minority of psychiatrists who would be unfamiliar with the concept. So im saying if you run into these professionals, they probably are not representative.


Sorry about that, but thanks for attempting to read what I wrote, as I wasn't actually responding to you directly.

I have a form of Autism associated with Hyperlexia, where I actually read 10 to 15 times faster than the average human being, and as a lifelong pianist, although I have great difficulty with handwriting, I type up to speeds of 130 words per minute, when motivated as such.

I have no idea now what it would be like to live any other way; however, before a typewriter, and loss of effective vision and hearing, writing and oral presentation was the farthest thing from my interest as a visual thinker and an input guy/problem solver, instead of out-putter in ways of worded written and paragraphed verbal spoken communication.

Yes, so my interest in epigenetics and neuroplasticity, is motivated strongly by my own personal life experience.

I deal directly with many doctors and psychology professionals who have attempted to help me in the past, when there seemed like no escape from my illnesses, and I find that they are very far behind, on any research in the last couple of decades, as truly they just do not have time for research seeing a patient ever few moments, raising families, and other real life responsibilities. And epigenetics and neuroplasticity are definitely products of the last couple of decades of research, although of course they existed long before the terms became available, in science.

So, I do not blame them for not being caught up on the state of science, as is, but never the less, it does harm patients that are not in the know.

Unfortunately, the medical practice is mostly designed around pharmaceuticals as the next big thing, instead of real life solutions to the root causes of illness, that science shows now is mostly stress and repression of human nature, most specifically human emotions and physical intelligence in the ways of emotions and moving that can definitely reduce the need for medicines to truly cure human maladies, from root cause, instead of just medicating symptoms.

Eastern remedies for human DISease per the arts of TAI CHI, Yoga, Acupuncture, etc. have understood this for thousands of years, in real life practice, and modern medical science is finally just starting to catch up.

Yogis in the Tibetan Mountains have been steaming heat off their robed bodies in icy pools of waters and controlling the electrical activity of their brains for thousands of years, as well.

Physician heal thy self, is they way humans lived for scores of thousands of years.

Modern Medicine in many ways, is functionally disabling humans beings, similar to culture and technology, overall.

Hard to escape, but quite an escape when one makes it back to the real strength of un-domesticated human being.

Sorry, if this too is too many words, but I write for the audience, as I have been through literal human hell and survived it, and any part of the information I provide, is certainly worth my time, if it helps anyone reading here, particularly like me, where as before, I would only read, anywhere I went for knowledge, and never communicate much in output.

There are plenty of autistic folks and their relatives like that reading in the background like me, who can read an average post of mine, like me, in several seconds, but do not post at all.

But again, that's the positive part of hyperlexia, the negative part CAN BE the output part, that I struggled with for around 4 or 5 decades. But adapting to change is survival, and I continue to do that, as required.

There is a lot of freedom of different minds expressing different ways of thinking here, and I for one am currently just the guy who reads and types real fast, relating volumes of information stored in crystalized knowledge over decades.

But again, there are different ways of thinking, and different ways of expressing oneself both in volume and content.

And I for one, never have a problem with any other person's communication, as input as such, and I consider myself blessed as such to be that way, but no, I am not going to repress my basic human nature in communication now, to please any particular part of the reading audience here.

We do live in a twitter verse way of life now, overall, where even two sentences is too much for some folks, and that is certainly not their fault, as culture makes what most of us are, whether we consciously realize it or not, as we go through life.

Interestingly, modern science in some studies shows now that human beings have the average attention span of SLIGHTLY LESS THAN a gold fish now, as well.

Humans are evolved for intermittent gratification, not instant gratification, and the price of that pleasure is truly often reduced ability for focus and attention.

And to be clear I am not suggesting you think I should change, but also to be clear I am well aware that some folks cannot nearly digest what I communicate here, and expect that, as again that is just part of innate human diversity and the cultural making of human being as is. :)[/quote

Ive said it before.I'll say it again. Please try to reign it in!

This verbal, lexical, keyboard, incontinence that you protest that you cant help having is no excuse.

You could use that energy itsself to control the energy.

You can go offline. Go to you desktop wordprocessing program and just type to your hearts content. Make a draft,or three, and THEN look at what you have written, and then distill it down to concise points, and THEN post an abridged version that we can all digest here on WP.

And if you HAVE to write a book everytime you post- then don't post. Instead go to your account here on WP and start writing a blog.



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16 Nov 2014, 11:17 am

naturalplastic wrote:
And if you HAVE to write a book everytime you post- then don't post. Instead go to your account here on WP and start writing a blog.

OR... you could let them post how they wand and you can skip their posts. . I'm not a mod, but telling someone not to post seems kinda like a crappy thing to do.


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16 Nov 2014, 4:53 pm

Feralucce wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
And if you HAVE to write a book everytime you post- then don't post. Instead go to your account here on WP and start writing a blog.

OR... you could let them post how they wand and you can skip their posts. . I'm not a mod, but telling someone not to post seems kinda like a crappy thing to do.


To: aghogday I'm a recovering journalism student. I sometimes forget that fellow WPers are not on my payroll as copywriters - and I have gotten in trouble on sites for telling folks to write snappier leads - and better headlines etc. Maybe I do go overboard. I apologize.

But I'm just sayin' that folks expect long essays in a blog, but not on a forum post. And that you can blog here on WP.



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16 Nov 2014, 11:58 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Feralucce wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
And if you HAVE to write a book everytime you post- then don't post. Instead go to your account here on WP and start writing a blog.

OR... you could let them post how they wand and you can skip their posts. . I'm not a mod, but telling someone not to post seems kinda like a crappy thing to do.


To: aghogday I'm a recovering journalism student. I sometimes forget that fellow WPers are not on my payroll as copywriters - and I have gotten in trouble on sites for telling folks to write snappier leads - and better headlines etc. Maybe I do go overboard. I apologize.

But I'm just sayin' that folks expect long essays in a blog, but not on a forum post. And that you can blog here on WP.


Thanks for the apology and truly some folks with Autism communicate like this STYLE OF MONOLOGUE ESSAY LIKE WRITING, and of COURSE MOST do not.

I do and this site gives me the opportunity to do THAT freely, WHEN moderators support it, as they seem to do now, and before as well, as I've always written like this here before I started doing poetic expression, without 'NORMAL' PUNCTUATION, THAT I do curb now, for people it annoys.

I CAN CERTAINLY write like a computer too, per Microsoft Word perfection in readability and brevity as I was employed per collateral duty, as a technical writer for the Government in my close to quarter of a century long career there.

But I choose to write freely here, and it is allowed, at least for now.

And as I think most of us now know most people are writing monologues here anyway, and rarely respond to each other on a personal level, as yes, that is the nature of the so called 'beast' of autism, per the so-called higher functioning kind.

But again, this website offers an opportunity for us to be ourselves and yes, writing here gives me the opportunity to put it on my blog too, per inspiration as such, and my Google Plus account site for all my blog posts has almost 900K overall views, so like I said, different key strokes for different folks.

And since this is not your cup of tea, I truly appreciate the times you attempt to read me, but this is the last place I expect a response, and I do receive them in good numbers when I link my poetic expression to International poetry sites, where different ways of thinking and expressing oneself is treasured there, instead of annoying folks even when they are 4444 words long per evidence on my blogs.

I truly have overall recovered from the reciprocal social communication difficulties in real life, and the experience here, in poetic expression and on blogs is instrumental to my recovery from those disabling effects and affect of Autism, particularly Alexithymia that is present in around 85% of studied cases of Autism.

I can go on much further but out of respect for your Apology I will stop soon here and keep your frustration in mind IN effect AND AFFECT of writing if and when we directly communicate again.

But no, I am not going to change my natural way of communicating here as long as it stays A TRUE SUPPORT SITE FOR A LARGER PART OF THE SPECTRUM PER FOLKS who do have the Hyperlexic form I have, that I set free here, and on my blogs, that again, have almost 900K views overall per Google Plus 'CLEARING HOUSE' OF WHAT I DO, FREELY, IN MY TYPE OF AUTISTIC COMMUNICATION both verbally and in video, and photograph visually, as such.

And please keep in mind, I am financially independent, and have no one to supervise or control me NOW per reasonable freedom either online or in real life per strength of human both PHYSICAL AS WELL as mental now as conclusively documented on my blogs. :)

But again, thanks for your apology and thank you Ferraluce for expressing the kind of cognitive empathy and SUPPORT for differences of communication that is sadly MISSING SO MUCH HERE, and again, part of that so-called beast of Autism.

I have always had extreme cognitive and affective empathy except for my 5 to 7 year stint of extreme ill, and I CANNOT IMAGINE COMPLAINING ABOUT ANOTHER Autistic person's difference in reciprocal social communication both in writing STYLE and or grammar or even SPELLING as BY GOD, close to 60 percent of folks on the Spectrum have intellectual disabilities and learning disabilities, of which HYPERLEXIA IS ONE OF THEM, CO-MORBID AS SUCH. :)

WITH DUE RESPECT OF COURSE, but this is how we learn cognitive empathy, most of us anyway, through trial and error, and I do support that here, with my lengthy posts, that some folks can handle and some folks can JUST IGNORE, TRULY, if they don't like my STYLE OF Autistic Communication.

Yeah, I went a little further than I said I would, but truly in the much larger scheme of life, per all concerned it sometimes is necessary, as compared to just one or a relative few individuals SEEMING TO BE DEMANDING change in my communication, THAT NO truly doesn't bother me as I do expect it from time to time, and am use to it by now ONLY HERE OF COURSE, FOR THE MOST PART, AND EVEN IN real life too,

But again, I expect this and tolerate it, but no I do not accept this kind of treatment without a challenge that comes from intelligence of me, with or without an apology that I do sincerely appreciate as truly that is a start of road to effective and AFFECTIVE reciprocal social communication in real life too, when exercised as such, and that is a general statement NOT DIRECTED AT YOU PERSONALLY, as such, HERE AS I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU DO, THINK, FEEL OR COMMUNICATE IN REAL LIFE :)

Written communication never tells the full story of communication, as non-verbal communication is at least 60 percent of human communication that I do display fully on my blog site as well, as I want to be all the human being I can be, after losing my personal humanity for 5 to 7 years. And IT damn sure works for me.

Yes, you could call almost anyone in my metro area, and they could tell you I am a 'legend of dance'; literally yes, some folks call me that, whether I want them to or not, as I am a giver moreover than a receiver, as this now tells the tale in words at least. :) But that's what all these words and dance steps NOW OVER 2600 MILES EVERYWHERE per 14 months now goes in the general public and in REAL LIFE, too.

And hell no, not everyone likes it but I tolerate it there, too, and almost always my logical argument per ADA accommodation for severe back pain through spinal stenosis and severe arthritis now fully recovered per pain, WORKS EVEN WITH STORE MANAGEMENT as I did whatever it TOOK TO SURVIVE, NO MATTER WHAT THE HERD said or did, to differ with me AND HELL YES IT WORKED WITH A RESOUNDED DOCUMENTED NOW YES. :)

THERE'S ALWAYS MORE TO WORDS AND BOOK COVERS THAN MEETS THE EYE, per form and structure and visibility as such, IF one so chooses to look deeper in life, which too, can be a choice of RELATIVE FREE WILL THAT I do exercise online and in REAL LIFE TOO, for now at least, as I have no expectations of life, except for bliss for now, that I do experience with extreme dedication and work, as well, and never, again, a given, as it can be grace of simply living life.

And just to check, I ran this through Microsoft Word, as sure it's long, 1374, but there are absolutely no grammar or spelling errors.

There ARE 0 percent passive sentences, 32.7% Flesh Kincaid readability and 12th grade level per writing.

But again, remember I was a technical writer too, in REAL LIFE TOO. ;)

But I did that for at least part of my respect to your request, and am glad I graduated at the top of my class with three degrees and had that long work career as you might of hurt my feelings, otherwise.

But to make it clear I am worried about SOME OF the folks you interact with that you do LIKELY hurt, with WHAT LOOKS LIKE intellectual bullying truly whether you intend it or not, TO LESS 'SEASONED' AUTISTIC FOLKS from my viewpoint, at least, and TRULY the MAIN REASON FOR THIS LENGTHY RESPONSE IS TO ATTEMPT TO HELP YOU with advice, WHETHER YOU receive it like that or not, per the GIVER I AM EVIDENCED TO BE ON THIS SITE for almost 4 years running now, still strong, as before it was ALL I HAD WHEN ILL TO MAKE IT THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT KILLING MYSELF, as the disorder I had is called the SUICIDE DISEASE FOR GOOD REASON.


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