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To be clear I FEEL you are one of the different ones, per my comment above. :) In other words the critical aspect of it was in no way directed at you, or anyone else in particular in this conversation as I address OPS not people but in rare circumstances like I did above in lauding outstanding contributions that are truly NOVEL like what Inventor just did.

And I consider the opposition to be among the 'GRAY HAIRS' mostly.

True it's not going to happen today, BUT the 'gray haired' ones are not going to live forever.

I give it a decade or maybe two before real change does start to happen.

My plate is full of fortune so there is truly nothing in it for me, but for care for others who are less fortunate than I, as I have certainly walked in those shoes, before for many, many miles.

But that's just human empathy and what most people who are unadulterated by illusions OF complex language and culture do naturally possess, for their fellow man or woman.

And as both an anthropologist and scientist, myself, and yes poet too, kind of like Einstein, this is both a natural human being COMMON SENSE REALITY AND scientific fact, and not just A pipe dream of smoke.

But to be clear I'm not putting myself in his class. ;)

For those individuals who live without empathy IS A SERIOUS SOCIETAL ISSUE, and hell no, that's far from an issue just associated with the Autism spectrum as science does now show that empirically measured levels of empathy among college age adults has decreased around 30 percent in the last several decades as human beings become more like machines and less like humans.

This also relates to the scientifically evidenced phenomena that when a human being uses the mechanical cognition pathway of the brain the empathy part is repressed and the opposite is true too.

What happens IS as per what the computer labs and engineering departments warned against when I was in college in the late 70's' and early 80's on CAUTION signs that said don't forget you are human get out and social 'COGNATE' WITH OTHERS, IS JUST A SIMPLE COMMON SENSE AKA SOCIAL COGNITION HUMAN AND SCIENTIFIC FACT.

USE OR LOSE IT APPLIES.

THAT PART OF HUMAN NATURE DOES NOT CHANGE. Everything else 'normal' and or 'sane' per Einstein Wisdom DOES. :)

That's why I have hope, I understand what human nature truly CAN AND IS EVOLVED TO BE.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND A MOVE AWAY FROM THE CENSORSHIP OF FREE SPEECH and ALL TYPES OF HUMAN EXPRESSION, IS TRULY A MOVE TOWARD FULL HUMAN FREEDOM AND SOCIAL COOPERATION AKA PEACE AND SACRED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, among other flowery metaphors for TRUTH.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE REVOLUTION HAS ALREADY STARTED FOR FULLEST HUMAN FREEDOM.

It's yes, difficult to see from the DETAIL LEVEL OF LIFE, BUT CLEAR AS THE SUN ON A 7 MILE UNLIMITED visibility VISION DAY, FOR THOSE WHO SEE Tapestry as well as the DEVIL OF DETAILS. :)

And OBTW, another true fact and piece of trivia, that proves just how small the word can be.

My grandfather was A priest, yes a Catholic Priest at the vatican in the early 20th century.

Later he was a South African priest, and priest in the Gainesville area Parish and later in North Florida in Taylor county were he met my lovely AND VERY SPUNKY grandmother at age 17 and he at age 36, that was the spice that led him away from the Catholic church (EXCOMMUNICATION), as he didn't agree with their Labyrinth of Dogma, and eventually wrote a relatively well-known book to that effect in the theological circles of Catholicism and Protestantism at that time.

He also wrote a book called 'Behind the Dictators' exposing the Catholic Church Jesuits as the true progenitors of the Zioinist myth behind an illusion of a world controlling illuminati, just to keep more Catholics on board, if you will, per the Jesuit's role in that issue, according to the evidence he gathered as it were.

He later led and was editor of a publication and organization named Christ Missions in New York, New York, and was of the minority thinking group of folks who supported the political ideology of Socialism like Einstein at that time.

Well to make a long story shorter, he was acquainted with Einstein professionally in a philosophical way, and actually had Dinner with him on occasion to discuss the DEEPER THINGS IN LIFE.

SO WHILE I'm not in the same class, technically as Einstein, in the political realm, in the early to middle part of last Century my Grandfather was.

And no doubt both my Grandfather and Einstein were on that broader autism spectrum 'phenotypey' thing, TOGETHER at least, per genetics, as my sister is diagnosed with Asperger's in middle age, and no she only reads and take photos.

The last thing she would ever do is get on the Internet and write. But no, she's no turnip truck operator as she has a Masters Degree in Management Science and makes 70K a year, working with helicopter safety parts for a Navy Civilian Contractor, for over 30 years now.

Many people with Aspeger's syndrome are visual thinking hands on folks like Inventor, who somewhere along the LINE like me TOO move to words too, through neuroplastic and epigenetic change, which yes, is possible for almost anyone WHO MOVES OUT OF THE BOX.

In my case, THE neuroplastic and epigenetic GAME changer in life, was effective loss of the use of my eyes and ears for five years plus. A visual thinking mind was FORCED TO THINK VERBALLY TO NAVIGATE THE WORLD OR NOT SURVIVE.

SO I survived as most human beings that maintain any semblance of relative FREE WILL DO, yes DO, UNDER circumstances of great biological or environmental challenge, adaptation and CHANGE TO SURVIVE.

PAIN AND SUFFERING WAS THE GREATEST GIFT OF MY LIFE, overall of course.

I Didn't like it AT ALL when it was happening, on course, to what my life is NOW, literal HUMAN HEAVEN, COMING OUT OF LITERAL HUMAN HELL.

SO YEAH, I have good reason AND FEELING to have EMPATHY/compassion for others who ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN I, AND I EFFECT AND AFFECT THAT both ONLINE IN WRITING, AND the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD DANCE OF HUMAN BEING LIFE in the REAL FLESH AND BLOOD WORLD THAT can be a dance of life for those who dance it and do not stay still. :)

Another quick note, my great grandfather, on the maternal side of my family camped out with Geronimo in the WILD in his 'claim to fame'. He was also a self-educated 'autodidact' bar passing lawyer on the American Indian related part of my family in both blood and human ties.

And Johnny Weismuller, the first famous movie playing TARZAN, saved my Spunky non-swimmer grandmother's life at Wakulla Springs in Leon County FL, as Johnny could swim really good and save folks from drowning.

Oh yeah, and my father guarded TED BUNDY as a deputy sheriff at the Leon County jail and he said he was the only person that made the hair stand up on his arms that he ever guarded as TED could change his appearance at will like a shape shifter from even short to tall.

Hmm, it would have been cool if he was my grandfather too, (Johnny, not TED) I guess, but that wouldn't be me, anyway. ;)

But that's YES..! ENOUGH about me.

Yes.. 'it's a small small world'... -Disney

SSi doesn't pay anywhere near $1200

cut it in about half.

However, much of a "slaves" work is the kind of mundane work many other people are trying to get into to make sure they have some kind of financial basis to live.

Granted, if we would implement this universal basic income, many people wouldn't feel so hardpressed to find "any" job just to be able to keep on living.

The notion of robots in society is an interesting one, which might be better illustrated with a much misattributed quote, (who exactly said it remains a bit of a riddle to this day), but for sake of the topic and argument



Fact is, if we give people a bare minimum to live, they wont be able to afford all the merchandise that's being produced by these supposed "robot slaves", rendering them, as a whole a bit unneccesary. The current manufacturing output, to some extent is based upon the fact that people have enough disposable income to buy into these goods. These new workers would have no desire for these products as a whole.

It would also become an economic issue in the sense of who is going to pay for maintenance? The owner? In this case, the factory they're laboring, I presume, yet they don't even turn around as much because demand is less purely based on the notion of having a meager universal basic income that's just enough to live.

Not to mention that I can totally see governments taxing the s**t out of these mechanized workers, which would increase prices, because... as it is now, employees in this country pay a hefty income tax over their salary (and I doubt it's any different in other countries). Governments rely on this kind of income for their treasury.

Of course one can say "well, people are being paid and taxed right now, so what's the big fuss?". Well, these people are somewhat paying taxes over the fact that they keep the economy running, something they wont do when machines take over labor. UBI just means less money to spend, while, essentially, the manufacturers depend on a certain output and certain sales to keep their production going.

Lastly; and totally unrelated to my response on robots as workers;

I'm currently recipient of some form of government assistance; be that as it may, it's enough to feed myself, clothe myself. I live at my parents house so part of these expenses are covered, which also is negated over the fact that I receive less government support, just because I share a living situation with others. Basically, it's not enough to live, but too much to die.

Now; translate this to the notion of universal income. To me it would mean that rent prices for this income group would need to be subsidized; The moment people who for whatever reason have no job, but receive support, pay more than half their income on rent alone even in a situation as the current one (and not even the UBI proposal), something seems off with pricing by housing corporations. Should they make money? Yes, please, it makes up for good support and proper housing. But simply put, a months income is more than just paying for a roof over your head. If I break down the numbers if I would live on my own, based on my current income it would mean that I'd have at least 10 days left at the end of my money, so to speak. Not to mention the fact that not so long ago I read an article stating that every household should have at least X savings (which comes down to over 4 times my monthly income; if I would save it all up and not spend a dime on bills); savings like that would be for any set back any househould could experience. In short, the current situation which in many cases pays more than the allotment that would encompass UBI isn't even enough for people to live on. And I'm not even going to get into the issues that come with the resources one needs to get somewhere in life; afterall, even certified education isn't free (a fact which I run into more and more considering I'm past an age where I can get a government scholarship)

I've toyed with the idea of having no money at all and just let the government pay for all expenses instead, the issue however is that the notion of a "standardized" income wouldn't work. Even now I frequently run into issues when I have to pay for healthcare (therapists visits and such) which the government expects from me to get my s**t together so I'm not a danger or an expense to society and become a contributing member. Something like a UBI should also take in consideration free healthcare, subsidized rent and probably another handful of things that have spiraled out of control in the past few decades. UBI would thrive if we'd cut out about 5 layers of management as a start, which in turn creates more unemployment... and more "qualified" people not in the workforce because you just took out a significant part of jobs people should or could do (and I haven't even included the "robots as employees" part from above there).

I'm well in favor of UBI but it would also need to be complimented by all kinds of other aide; housing, healthcare....

Be of good cheer, for 87% hate Congress, a small club that panders to oil and big business.

Politics, help them define themselves as a small gang of bad guys.

Their path to election is to split the herd, sow fear. A military police and a prison industry was built on fear and demographics.

Black people commit almost all the crime!

The truth, about 70%, which results in 3,000,000 in prison.

Blacks are 14% of the population, some 42,000,000 so even counting the smarter ones who do not get caught, the new numbers are;

10% of the black underclass commit nearly 100% of the crime.

This centers on lack of economic choice, low education, Crack Vender was the only job open.

39,000,000 black people will tell you,that most crime is black on black.

As the closest demographic to the main problem, may I suggest they could do something about it?

From all black courts, juries and prisons, run by blacks, and community parol and Probation, this problem could be confined. Not having white people to blame, and being the main target of black on black crime, a more intense program would emerge.

They would not be soft on crime, because anthropology shows that hunter gather groups where we got our slaves tend to kill about 10% of the young males within their groups. He was just no good.

All those goody two shoes white laws about not chopping off heads will have to pay for life in prison.

Prison Industries have become big, cheap labor, California always made License plates, and in Louisiana and Mississippi Parchman Farm, Angola, run plantations that produce the food for the prisons.

You have to start somewhere, so several million black prisoners could be transferred to the the Black Community Farm Penal Colony, and produce enough food to feed all black people.

I think Charlton SC, as that is where most middle passage slaves landed and were sold.

Gaining control of the slave docks, markets, where most came to America would be a fitting place to have blacks in chains working the plantation.

White people have already agreed to the long term costs, so all that is lacking is a suitable site and black community control. This would pump a lot of money into a poor community. Most of our prisons waste the value of labor.

Charleston is turning black, if the Jews can have six million Holocosts Museums, giving black people one Williamsburg Type Slavery Museum, with real blacks in chains working the plantation, could be major tourism. Bring the children to see what happens to bad children.

We already have the white guilt and fear to pay for it, so the food production would be mostly profit.

The potential for reform increases, when people like yourself make the rules.

Yes, labor beneath the sun would lead to training, before you get released you will get an education, job training, and move in stages toward freedom.

For a few Counties in South Carolina we can empty the American Prison System, and fund Black Social and Economic Progress.

The area used to grow a lot of rice. I-28 dead ends there with a big swamp to the north. It is a natural confined space.

At risk youth could be sent to boarding schools there. Identifying with your community is one of the strongest social bonds.

It also has good beaches, fishing, and resort potential. Back in the good old days we did have Black resorts, beaches, hotels.

Black owned business would consider moving there. Atlanta is just too much.

New Orleans has a Black Owned Bank. The color line fell in New Orleans when a Black Restaurant allowed White People to come in the Front Door and eat in The Main Dining Room!

We now have enough educated black people to run this.

Our prison costs equal the cost of attending Harvard. Still, they get no education or job training.

Look at the problem, we want to reduce crime and develop the economy, while lifting groups that were excluded by law into the larger economy. Black Teens have the highest unemployment.

Lots of building involved, on the job training available, boarding school, community building, that can reduce crime long term.

All of these things are currently badly funded, giving Block Grants to white politics to spend.

Admit slavery was an iffy idea, take steps to develop the community, and the result;

20,000,000 Black Votes.

They would also support a Universal Income, but when selling, look at what the buyer would want.

Black Self Determination seeks higher goals than basic welfare.

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