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12 Nov 2014, 3:04 pm

Interesting how some human beings separate their emotions from the natural world, as well as their interpersonal relationships with others.

All human beings are made of star stuff and are the cosmos unto itself per paraphrase of Carl Sagan Wisdom.

The patterns of fractals in nature seen throughout from the Golden Spiral mean of Galaxies, Tornados, and Nautilus shells equate out to 1.618.

The veins in our body are patterned like the rivers that lead to oceans and the same patterns are seen throughout the cosmos as well.

Science has only recently gained an eye sharp enough to see the SCIENCE BEHIND THESE REALITIES OF ONE LIFE WE LIVE WITH THE UNIVERSE AS WHOLE.

FUNNY, YES FUNNY HOW SOME FOLKS SUGGEST THAT THE COSMOS DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR PERSONALITY.

IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR LIFE.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Now as to why Astrology does work better than coincidence, there is synchronicity in life, that flows when emotions are in full swing, but for those who repress their emotions like rivers that no longer make it to the ocean, the result is plain to see, for those who see deeper than eyes alone.

It's why poetry works so well to express Universal truth, it describes emotion and emotion is what motivates us to live, again, it is as simple as that, once again it is, for those who can see below as well as above, and inside as well as outside their limited view of eye.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQalkIeE7s[/youtube]


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12 Nov 2014, 4:00 pm

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I don't know whatever I believe it or not. But...
So far I dated only 3 boys. All of them asked me out by themselves and they were stubborn enough to wait till I agree. I am not easy to like someone enough to date them.

Coincidence? I wonder...


So what? There are only nine non-zero digits in the Arabic numeral system. Any two people at random have a 1/9 chance of having coincidental sums in their birthday digits -- whatever the significance of that is supposed to be.

Yeah, but the numbers are not everything.
What is the chance of all of my boyfriends having birthday between 4, 5 and 6th of April and then, their birthdays giving number 9 (and in case of 2 of them 36) just like me? It's quite unusual.
Of course, might be a chance of 1/9 (1/9 for 1st, 1/81 for 2nd, 1/729 for 3rd since we compare them with my number 9) for the numbers but there is 1/183(2 days in 366) chance for 2 of their birthdays being in a row, 1/33489 chance for all 3 birthdays like that. Put it together and you get 1/24413481 chance.

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The fact that the people you dated are all Aries is something.

You are a Sagittarian.
Astrology says Aries is compatible with Sagittarius!

My mom is Aries (23 March 1965, number 11 or 2). We get along very well.



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12 Nov 2014, 4:31 pm

Statistics to the rescue.

http://www.quora.com/If-astrology-is-fa ... ity-traits

It is human nature to seek patterns and to impose patterns even on random data. If somebody looks back over their life, it is statistically likely that somewhere in the millions of data points that make up a human life, some will be found which seem to have a pattern. There will even actually be a pattern because sometimes patterns do arise at least for short segments of otherwise random data. But that doesn't make astrology accurate. It's just a fun way to impose a pattern on random data by using confirmation bias.



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12 Nov 2014, 4:35 pm

aghogday wrote:
....Now as to why Astrology does work better than coincidence, ....


except that it doesn't work better than coincidence. People just convince themselves that it does by selectively only looking at the coincidences that align with astrology and ignoring other data points. It's a rule from How To Lie With Statistics. If you just dump all the data that doesn't fit your pattern then suddenly all the data fits your pattern.



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12 Nov 2014, 4:55 pm

Janissy wrote:
aghogday wrote:
....Now as to why Astrology does work better than coincidence, ....


except that it doesn't work better than coincidence. People just convince themselves that it does by selectively only looking at the coincidences that align with astrology and ignoring other data points. It's a rule from How To Lie With Statistics. If you just dump all the data that doesn't fit your pattern then suddenly all the data fits your pattern.


Clearly the data that doesn't conform to my pattern was faulty and needs to be disregarded before we can begin to have a serious discussion.
How would we see the patterns with all that randomness blotting them out? Stop thinking and just accept my preconceived conclusions.


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12 Nov 2014, 9:02 pm

I can tell peoples future by reading the lint that gathers in their belly buttons.



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12 Nov 2014, 9:06 pm

Kiriae wrote:
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The fact that the people you dated are all Aries is something.

You are a Sagittarian.
Astrology says Aries is compatible with Sagittarius!

My mom is Aries (23 March 1965, number 11 or 2). We get along very well.


cool, you're lucky!

RE: stats

If you have looked at the charts and descriptions that the website produces you may change your mind



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12 Nov 2014, 9:07 pm

I can predict people's fortunes by calculating their grade-point averages and reading their Curricula Vitae.

"I see a shadow of juvenile detention in your past ... I also see you in a future career in the fast-food industry ..."


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12 Nov 2014, 9:40 pm

Janissy wrote:
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....Now as to why Astrology does work better than coincidence, ....


except that it doesn't work better than coincidence. People just convince themselves that it does by selectively only looking at the coincidences that align with astrology and ignoring other data points. It's a rule from How To Lie With Statistics. If you just dump all the data that doesn't fit your pattern then suddenly all the data fits your pattern.


I agree, very possible for you, but not for me.

Interesting it is, how different minds work and perceive the world.

I am a statistician by knowledge in college, and also in the decades long grind of working for the government in collateral duty and there is no way the things I personally experience in life are the result of coincidence alone per the science of statistics as studied in college and applied at work.

Truly I pay little to no attention to astrology, but numerology bends the class of statistics beyond narrow school ways of thinking, for one example I do 'play' with.

And it only stands to reason, that when a child is born, the time of season along with dopamine producing environmental factors like more light in summer, are environmental factors that CAN stimulate potential epigenetic change and different personalities.

It would obviously vary by mileage of course per individual and environment beyond that 'simple' combination of factors per dopamine, light, and epigenetics, and for 'the pattern and visual thinkers to figure out by extensive observation, per the current 'science' of Astrology.

That's one 'simple' answer but the synergy of additional environmental factors for the answers as to why Astrology works, is no easier to pin down, than one cause of Autism

And synchronicity like human archetypes is real.

Science has caught up to the Jungian 'science' of human archetypes, but they just haven't caught up to him yet on his 'science' of synchronicity but truly it is no surprise as science by its very nature stifles what humans can be per FULL HUMAN POTENTIAL motivated by FULL human emotions.

So that is a self-fulfilling prophecy in science itself for the weakness of science to understand this true FULLER potential of human life.

Mechanical cognition represses this human potential, and science has caught up to that, per peer reviewed study, ironically, but the folks who do science and live a life in mostly mechanical cognition, are not immune from the repression of social cognition and associated factors of human empathy and pro-social emotions.

And no I do not expect you to understand this, if you haven't walked in my shoes, but some people will understand it, more likely in the listening audience, than the folks who post here, simply as the forum is skewed toward higher verbal written abilities and lesser toward pattern AND visual thinkers for the obvious reason that it is a text forum.

And yes, recognizing patterns has everything to do with it, along with FULL USE OF human emotion, and not just the con-social kind as synchronicity is of evolutionary benefit to the group that survives together in sharing and cooperation using pro-social emotions.

During the period of five years of my life, where there was no emotion there was absolutely no synchronicity.

Before and after it was beyond the science of statistics per coincidence alone.

People thought the earth was flat too, before science caught up, so it's no surprise that science still lags behind, on the full potential of the human mind. The human mind is still truly a relatively unexplored area of science, not unlike the full 'face' of GOD AKA Mother Nature TRUE.

Perhaps the poets will figure it out first, they most often do, per historical record, as is.

To be clear this is only my opinion, but alas this is Philosophy forum, not a Science forum, and Philosophy does often lead science as well, per historical record.

Life is way too short, to depend on Science alone for answers to live a full and happy life.

That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.

I just looked within and found the answers through intuition and instinct, the same as our ancestors did, before they were functionally disabled by complex language and culture.

True story, by the way, that is, as science now shows that folks who live like our pre-historic ancestors have similar morphological stronger features as them per density of bones.

I figured that part out too, and can leg press 810 LBS now at age 54, as opposed to before I healed myself through instinct and intuition, and could not raise my arms up over my head, after eating or walking around the block without almost passing out.

Let's just say, I'm passionate about human potential per much more than science knows now, by evidence of my life for sure, for now at least. :)


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13 Nov 2014, 12:32 am

It is easy to believe in something that can relate to everything. If you are looking for exact definitions, you should probably look elsewhere.



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13 Nov 2014, 3:52 am

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Astrology has no relevance to understanding ourselves or our place in the cosmos. Modern advocates of astrology cannot account for the underlying basis of astrological associations with terrestrial affairs, have no plausible explanation for its claims, and have not contributed anything of cognitive value to any field of the social sciences.

why are some wall street firms employing astrologers then?
as for myself, it predicted correctly that I would be tall and slender, "horsey-faced," nervous of temperament and with chronic sinus issues. the only thing it got wrong, was that it said I was supposed to be successful in a worldly way, and that has never happened to me.



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13 Nov 2014, 4:18 am

Well of course its real, it has a name so therefore it is real....

That aside I do not think you can predict the future, or how things will work out or not work out between people with it. Perhaps it is possible to learn some things, experience some self reflection and such which can be healthy...but I think that is about the extent. If anyone says they can accurately predict the future via reading the stars, I'd be very, very skeptical.


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13 Nov 2014, 4:38 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well of course its real, it has a name so therefore it is real....

That aside I do not think you can predict the future, or how things will work out or not work out between people with it. Perhaps it is possible to learn some things, experience some self reflection and such which can be healthy...but I think that is about the extent. If anyone says they can accurately predict the future via reading the stars, I'd be very, very skeptical.

joan Quigley and nancy Reagan agree that ms. Quigley accurately predicted Reagan's attempted assassination. astrologer jeane Dixon predicted JFK's assassination, and coasted the rest of her life on the laurels of that achievement. some very learned people use astrology for manifold purposes, including in the world of business. all those people cannot be totally wrong. IOW there must be something there.



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13 Nov 2014, 5:51 am

aghogday wrote:
That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.


Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.



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13 Nov 2014, 5:56 am

auntblabby wrote:
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Astrology has no relevance to understanding ourselves or our place in the cosmos. Modern advocates of astrology cannot account for the underlying basis of astrological associations with terrestrial affairs, have no plausible explanation for its claims, and have not contributed anything of cognitive value to any field of the social sciences.

why are some wall street firms employing astrologers then?
as for myself, it predicted correctly that I would be tall and slender, "horsey-faced," nervous of temperament and with chronic sinus issues. the only thing it got wrong, was that it said I was supposed to be successful in a worldly way, and that has never happened to me.


About being successful: maybe it has not yet happened, or maybe "successful" doesn't mean getting rich? There is not a single way to be successful.
I don't believe you can use astrology to predict the stock market. In fact, to this day there isn't anything that can accurately predict the stock market. Some people are slightly better at predicting or simply lucky, so they "win" the money from the other investors. Of course there will be success stories of people who use astrology, just like there are success stories of people who choose stocks randomly or let a monkey choose. Same with people who win at the casino, they stand out but most people lose.
Things like stock value or roulette winnings seem a lot like what mathematicians call random walk.



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13 Nov 2014, 6:57 am

one word: twins