Any other groups that are more accepting of self-diagnosis?

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03 Dec 2014, 6:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I absolutely agree with BTBNNYR.

People should communicate in a manner in which they feel comfortable--most definitely.


I agree with btbnnyr too, but what happens when you feel most comfortable being a smartarse? <_<



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03 Dec 2014, 7:05 pm

There are many ways to be a smartarse without offending people. There's even a "nice" way to be a smartarse. It involves showing wisdom, while not attacking people directly. When this is successful, it's called "being witty," rather than "smartarsey."

You could mix your "smartarsery" with some of your funny stories, too.

You could also be truthful when you feel for a person. I happen to believe that you "feel" more than you believe you do.

LOL...I could be wrong about that--and you'll tell me in no uncertain terms :wink: But the impression will remain, despite you telling me off.

And perhaps some of your life story, too, even the painful bits. I believe it's cathartic to relate what pain you've experienced in life. It's certainly better than keeping it bottled up.



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03 Dec 2014, 8:47 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I absolutely agree with BTBNNYR.

People should communicate in a manner in which they feel comfortable--most definitely.


I agree with btbnnyr too, but what happens when you feel most comfortable being a smartarse? <_<


I enjoy reading smartarse comments.


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03 Dec 2014, 8:51 pm

I'm not really into smartarse just for the sake of being smartarse.

I'm more the type that's into smartarse when it's called for.



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03 Dec 2014, 9:01 pm

I don't understand what's wrong with expressing personal opinion in a thread titled: 'Critical of self diagnsois - you shouldn't be'

The thread was practically inviting discussion. Would it really be better to create another thread dedicated to criticism of self-diagnosis?

It isn't hard to realize that some may take offense (as AspieUtah explains) but that shouldn't prevent discussion from taking place. My point here has been warped, in that it was the polarization of this issue is not so black and white as everyone seemed to have thought. Those critical of self-diagnosis were being depicted as evil and those supporting it as caring and just. There was no maliciousness involved from what I saw, and so far people seem to have agreed with that.

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Norny it's just exhausting for me to address the things you say because you make a lot of wrong assumptions. I can't handle responding to people who communicate that way.


It's also impossible for me to figure out what's wrong with what I post if I won't be told. All the times I have posted a point similar to the one you replied to nobody has responded. The closest was that you picked apart my post by heavily emphasizing my use of phrases/terms, (i.e. 'even the administrator', 'artificial') which is why I believed you were angry. I am sorry if that was a wrong assumption but I don't see where I have made the other 'lot of wrong assumptions'. To me that statement holds no value and stagnates any progress because generally in an argument, until there is a mutual understanding, what the other(s) claim seems to be incorrect, hence why I feel ignored as I am yet to receive any reply to my posts explaining why they are wrong, and instead remain baffled by all the insults etc. directed towards criticism of self-diagnosis (not this thread in particular).

In a way all this reminds me of when I was younger, and my sister would punch me and throw objects at me, and as soon as I did anything to her she would cry, and because she cried I was the one who was punished. Though in this case, I am not the only one involved (those critical of self-diagnosis have been). The issue is also far more complicated, only the feeling is relevant.

This is my last major post on this subject because it doesn't get me anywhere.


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03 Dec 2014, 9:49 pm

Generally, I don't consider criticism to be a bad thing.
I don't consider criticism of self-diagnosis any different than criticism of official diagnosis or criticism of autism research or criticism of some other process.
If people feel that criticism of self-diagnosis invalidates their personal identity, then it seems that criticism of official diagnosis might invalidate other people's personal identity, and criticism of some other process could invalidate some other people's personal identity.
But people criticize official diagnosis, autism research, and other processes often, so I don't see why self-diagnosis should be eggseption.


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03 Dec 2014, 9:56 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Generally, I don't consider criticism to be a bad thing.
I don't consider criticism of self-diagnosis any different than criticism of official diagnosis or criticism of autism research or criticism of some other process.
If people feel that criticism of self-diagnosis invalidates their personal identity, then it seems that criticism of official diagnosis might invalidate other people's personal identity, and criticism of some other process could invalidate some other people's personal identity.
But people criticize official diagnosis, autism research, and other processes often, so I don't see why self-diagnosis should be eggseption.


I wanted to criticize your post but then I got worried it would invalidate my personal identity.


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03 Dec 2014, 10:03 pm

Who criticizes autism research? I've never seen criticism of that nature.

Autism research is a win-win type of proposition.



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03 Dec 2014, 10:07 pm

LookTwice wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
Generally, I don't consider criticism to be a bad thing.
I don't consider criticism of self-diagnosis any different than criticism of official diagnosis or criticism of autism research or criticism of some other process.
If people feel that criticism of self-diagnosis invalidates their personal identity, then it seems that criticism of official diagnosis might invalidate other people's personal identity, and criticism of some other process could invalidate some other people's personal identity.
But people criticize official diagnosis, autism research, and other processes often, so I don't see why self-diagnosis should be eggseption.


I wanted to criticize your post but then I got worried it would invalidate my personal identity.


Do you mean your personal identity or my personal identity?
I suppose that both could be invalidated if you criticize my post.


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03 Dec 2014, 10:08 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Who criticizes autism research? I've never seen criticism of that nature.

Autism research is a win-win type of proposition.


Science research should be criticized without it invalidating anyone's personal identity.


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03 Dec 2014, 10:09 pm

Of course. If we don't have ongoing dialogue/with criticism, we don't get results.

I've never seen autism research, in general, criticized on WrongPlanet. I don't see the need to criticize it as a general entity. It's not harming anybody (except those who believe it's a waste of money which could be used "elsewhere."

Perhaps, some interpretation of findings might be open to criticism because of the method involved in obtaining these findings.



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03 Dec 2014, 10:20 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Do you mean your personal identity or my personal identity?
I suppose that both could be invalidated if you criticize my post.


It was a private joke at my own expense. I have largely lost respect for my identity and yet I can't stop pretending and trying to make an impression. It just popped into my head when I read your post. I like reading your posts, so I felt like writing something in return. It's also late and I shouldn't be here.

To make this post more relevant: my criticism is that I agree with your post. Not very interesting or invalidating either way.


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03 Dec 2014, 10:31 pm

I find that criticism has generally been useful to me to solve problems and develop abilities to a higher level.
It would be weird if people didn't criticize what I did for the sake of my feelings.


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03 Dec 2014, 10:37 pm

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While none of these accusations was leveled at a particular poster, I believe that some of the self diagnosed posters felt that each of these descriptions was aimed at them and had an emotional response to those negative posts in aggregate.

I can see that there were no personal attacks, but I can also see that the general attacks on the motives of the self diagnosed would be perceived that way.

But motives are important. I fully understand that many people may not have the financial resources to get diagnosed. I fully understand that many people may not have access to qualified professionals (based upon where they live). But, if they have both, but still refused to get diagnosed, and yet still insisted to call themselves autistic, I would start to scratch my head.

Then again, maybe that’s just me. I’m the type of person who wants to seek a second opinion. On everything. Probably, it goes back to that confidence thing I mentioned in other threads.

So, I guess I have finally come to an opinion on this. I think people who have both the means and the access to qualified professionals should get diagnosed (aka a second opinion on their own diagnosis). To me, that’s only logical.

For all others, please continue in your self-diagnosis pursuit. But please, be rigorous in your process and exercise due diligence in researching the topic.

P.S. The above is not directed at anyone in particular. Rather, it is directed to someone who will join WP sometime in the near future.



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03 Dec 2014, 10:45 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I find that criticism has generally been useful to me to solve problems and develop abilities to a higher level.
It would be weird if people didn't criticize what I did for the sake of my feelings.


I have progressed through criticism too. I used to fight even the most constructive criticism (even if I knew it was likely an improvement) because I was desperate to defend my ego, but I am happy to have changed that, because it is for the better.

I have never been good at taking criticism. I will still automatically feel a tad sour most of the time I receive it but I won't act out unless there was a strong, negatively charged emotional component because usually it helps me.


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