Difference between normal people and us

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14 Dec 2014, 8:31 am

I think we have subconscious consciously.
We have subconscious self.
Subconsicous self is so sensitive.
There's almost no trivial things for us.
Our continuous phenomenon isn't continuous but continual for people with conscious, Normal people.
So, for example in dance, normal people appear to dance continuous movement for us, but for normal people it is continual movement.
We can't mimic their behaviour, because in continuous view it is so complicated motion.
Limited motion for nomal people is infinite motion for us.
As well,
Limited thinking for them is infinite thinking for us.
Limited custom for them is infinite custom for us.
We can't follow them.
It is too much.

But, subconsciously, odd people is normal people, and we are the standard people.
Can't we be a standard?

How do you think?

Can't we construct different society?
I hope no coflict.
If there's a conflict, I want to give up.
A conflict is too much for us, subconscious.


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14 Dec 2014, 8:54 am

Unfortunately this world is dominated by the 'normal'. There are logical uses for normality, such as comparison between serious medical symptoms and what is normal, but the definition adopted and executed by society is exclusive of all that are different, whether they have a disorder or not. In a comparative sense, it's accurate, but to you as an individual, it doesn't have to be. You can define your own normal.

I've witnessed that it is often more helpful to celebrate your differences rather than to reclassify them as normal. If you have something that the majority does not, that's fantastic, you have every right to feel good about that. Most people that have achieved success only did so because they strayed from normality. Though in a different sense to neurological difference, that highlights the necessity of difference.

Unmonitored, that path of thinking can be dangerous if it leads you to believing that 'so called 'normal people' are evil', because that is a generalization and ignores difference, which would be a case of personal irony/hypocriticism, and lead to a false dichotomy with resemblance to racism, sexism etc. It's important to avoid doing this, should you wish to remain as positive as you can.


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14 Dec 2014, 8:58 am

If all of our species adhered to "normal" values, we'd still be living in crude shelters and hunting for our food.



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14 Dec 2014, 6:25 pm

Thanks for writing this. I understand exactly what you mean and feel more understood for you having said it.

When nothing is trivial... there can be beauty in that. The good in our lives is so dearly appreciated. But on the whole it's tremendously overwhelming.



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14 Dec 2014, 8:56 pm

Who are you thanking?

I hope it's me LOL

But if it isn't....oh well.



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14 Dec 2014, 8:58 pm

Most people think inside the box and most of us spectrumites think outside the box.


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15 Dec 2014, 12:02 am

@Norny
thank you so much.
I'm reconsidering carefully.
And I will as well.

I'm so relieved you wrote 'You can define your own normal'.

What you pointed is my weakpoint I think.
I'm rather racist and sexist against major racism and sexism.
When I'm careless I'm always such a bad person.
I must change.
And slightly I have changed even yesterday.
I was so aggressive to my mother in my mind, only in my mind.
I misunderstood her.
I feel I am always betrayed by her.
But I finally found that it is only just a difference between our custom of expression.
Mother has implicit question, and I use implicit offer. mother's literal offer and my literal only just a question.
So now I'm so positive.
I thought there's only 1/10 or even 1/100 good people because even my family are evil.
But now I reconsider it and I think 1/2.
Though maybe I should think 1/1 people are good side.
I'll try it when I will be recovered much more.
I now ask my mother take me to a hospital and a church.
I hope I can be relieved a bit more there.

I'll keep your word in my mind.



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15 Dec 2014, 12:08 am

MathIm wrote:
I think we have subconscious consciously.
We have subconscious self.
Subconsicous self is so sensitive.
There's almost no trivial things for us.


That is an interesting thought.

I didn't really understand the motion part, but I am slow with new ideas.



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15 Dec 2014, 12:22 am

MathIm wrote:
I think we have subconscious consciously.
We have subconscious self.
Subconsicous self is so sensitive.
There's almost no trivial things for us.
Our continuous phenomenon isn't continuous but continual for people with conscious, Normal people.
So, for example in dance, normal people appear to dance continuous movement for us, but for normal people it is continual movement.
We can't mimic their behaviour, because in continuous view it is so complicated motion.
Limited motion for nomal people is infinite motion for us.
As well,
Limited thinking for them is infinite thinking for us.
Limited custom for them is infinite custom for us.
We can't follow them.
It is too much.

But, subconsciously, odd people is normal people, and we are the standard people.
Can't we be a standard?

How do you think?

Can't we construct different society?
I hope no coflict.
If there's a conflict, I want to give up.
A conflict is too much for us, subconscious.


Brilliant post...



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15 Dec 2014, 12:32 am

I feel this may be a silly question as everyone seems to get this but me, but I don't understand what you mean by "continuous" and "continual", what is the difference? You seem to be distinguishing between the two but I don't understand. Thanks :)



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15 Dec 2014, 1:06 am

@kraftiekortie
Oh, I see.
At first sight, I can't see.
Our species mean human kind.
Your word comfort me and maybe us and possibly yourself too?
I'm so appreciating your word.
When few words explain many things or even whole things, it is so fascinating.
Thank you for your effort to find a good word.
(It must cost your time or your sensitive concentration and exhaust you.)

@Transyl
Thanks for your thank to kraftiekortie.
And I'm so glad you have written "when nothing is trivial... there can be beauty in that".
I'm totally with you.
"on the whole it's tremendously overwhelming"
Yes, I feel so too, feel so as well.
I hope we, us and them, can make a compromise and compromises each other.

@kraftiekortie
at least I'm so thanking.
perhaps, your expression for your effort is so fragile.
That means You are beautiful.
And you must be often misunderstood.
I cheer you up.

@CockneyRebel
your location is so smart!
it is so poetic and fascinate me.
Your word has as well rich meaning as kraftiekortie.
Though your word's taste and his one's are different I feel.
Yours are a deep one and his are a wit.
It makes me smile even though it seems to mean a deep mean.
(sometimes or often it is serious meaning and we can't smile then.)

@Toy_Soldier I'm so pleased you wrote interesting. Thank you very much. I hope what I written bellow @yellowtamarin satisfy you. but that became more complicated. so sorry.
@cyberdad Compliment! thank you!
@yellowtamarin thank you to question me. I feel perhaps I mean, various fulfiling small motions between a pose and a pose with 'continuous'. And I mean only a pose and a pose without medium with 'continual'. Probably I should say discontinuous substitute for continual. Even though for normal people or conscious, it can be recognised continuous like a film. I think we have smaller time continuity as well with normal large time continuity in our cognition.

Sorry to disturb you and everyone!


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15 Dec 2014, 2:05 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Who are you thanking?

I hope it's me LOL

But if it isn't....oh well.
I was thanking Mathlm. But I have noticed your posts. You encourage others. That is great to see. So I thank you for that. :)

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@Transyl
Thanks for your thank to kraftiekortie.
And I'm so glad you have written "when nothing is trivial... there can be beauty in that".
I'm totally with you.
"on the whole it's tremendously overwhelming"
Yes, I feel so too, feel so as well.
I hope we, us and them, can make a compromise and compromises each other.
As you so well put in your first post, conflict is too much for us. It makes us want to give up. Every relationship has the potential for conflict. Every time you make yourself vulnerable it's a risk. But if we never took that risk. Never got to know others or let them know us. We'd miss out on something wonderful.

Sometimes we strike out. Other times we make a friend. Whether it's a friend for a few years or just a few days... for someone like us it's never trivial. Right now I only have online friends. But it means a lot to me to have them in my life.



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15 Dec 2014, 9:37 am

Hey Mathim,

You are not disturbing anyone.

You have a unique perspective in your posts.

Please continue to post.

We need someone like you.

People are always arguing all the time.

You provide a positive aspect to things.



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15 Dec 2014, 9:51 am

Well, we have gifts others can't handle. What is inside our own minds is ahead of anything inside the heads of normal people. :lol:


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15 Dec 2014, 1:44 pm

MathIm wrote:
I think we have subconscious consciously.
We have subconscious self.
Subconsicous self is so sensitive.
There's almost no trivial things for us.
Our continuous phenomenon isn't continuous but continual for people with conscious, Normal people.
So, for example in dance, normal people appear to dance continuous movement for us, but for normal people it is continual movement.
We can't mimic their behaviour, because in continuous view it is so complicated motion.
Limited motion for nomal people is infinite motion for us.
As well,
Limited thinking for them is infinite thinking for us.
Limited custom for them is infinite custom for us.
We can't follow them.
It is too much.

But, subconsciously, odd people is normal people, and we are the standard people.
Can't we be a standard?

How do you think?

Can't we construct different society?
I hope no coflict.
If there's a conflict, I want to give up.
A conflict is too much for us, subconscious.


Mathlm, I had trouble following much of your post because of the language used, - possibly due to translation difficulty. I hope it's not too much to ask, but I would like to understand your ideas better, and here more about what you have to say.

I have tried to describe some things along the same lines as you, though they may not agree completely.
I think the ideas you're trying to communicate here requires a high level of metacognition, which may be relatively rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition

Everyone has both a conscious and subconscious component of their brains/minds. There seems to be boundaries between the two that contain a great many filtering mechanisms. Also the process of thinking can take place in different areas relative to each, and the methods by which information is processed by each is quite different, to include memory storage and retrieval.

From my own observations it seems clear that, as you say, there is a difference between normal people and us in regard to the nature of our identities and where/how we do our thinking.
I would like to hear more about what you have to say about this.


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15 Dec 2014, 7:31 pm

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I honestly don't know, but it most be something because they can pick me out of the crowd every time.