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01 Jan 2016, 10:37 pm

wrt. CAPS, it's not the same as shouting everything - it's the same as shouting the words in caps. It comes across like some old-timey preacher going on about how everyone needs to FIND JEEE-SUS! or burn in the fiery pits of HELL.



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01 Jan 2016, 11:34 pm

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wrt. CAPS, it's not the same as shouting everything - it's the same as shouting the words in caps. It comes across like some old-timey preacher going on about how everyone needs to FIND JEEE-SUS! or burn in the fiery pits of HELL.

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02 Jan 2016, 12:20 pm

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If you're fat and you consider it a problem worth correcting then it's your fight against obesity, not anyone else's.
If you are fat but lack the gumption to to lose weight then oh well......
If you are not fat then you have nothing to worry about for the time being.


Yeah. The Government should STFO of my fridge, my pantry, or any other place in my house, period.

If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


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02 Jan 2016, 4:13 pm

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If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


In my opinion that's a bit like telling *all* people they should be able to make themselves immune to advertising, marketing, lack of local healthy food grocery stores and all those other causes that silently guide people toward eating poorly. Not everyone has that luxury, be it because of economics, location or personality type & social position (ie children of parents who don't know any better).

And then there's the recent research that points to many obese people possibly being so in part because of genetics and/or intestinal bacteria strains.

But the worse aspect, to me, is that it resembles far too closely what we autistic people heard for decades until some point in the 2000's. That what are now recognized as the very signs and symptoms of autism - a neurological variation - were our fault. We were told we had meltdowns because we were spoiled, or selfish. When we had to do things in pairs, or count things we were told we had no self control. We wouldn't look people in the eye because we didn't care about other people or about "getting along" with them. You get the idea...Fat shaming is no different from the shaming we autistic people endured for decades.


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02 Jan 2016, 5:32 pm

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If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


In my opinion that's a bit like telling *all* people they should be able to make themselves immune to advertising, marketing, lack of local healthy food grocery stores and all those other causes that silently guide people toward eating poorly. Not everyone has that luxury, be it because of economics, location or personality type & social position (ie children of parents who don't know any better).

And then there's the recent research that points to many obese people possibly being so in part because of genetics and/or intestinal bacteria strains.

But the worse aspect, to me, is that it resembles far too closely what we autistic people heard for decades until some point in the 2000's. That what are now recognized as the very signs and symptoms of autism - a neurological variation - were our fault. We were told we had meltdowns because we were spoiled, or selfish. When we had to do things in pairs, or count things we were told we had no self control. We wouldn't look people in the eye because we didn't care about other people or about "getting along" with them. You get the idea...Fat shaming is no different from the shaming we autistic people endured for decades.


Okay to a point, but what usually happens when the government gets ahold of a good idea, they tend to F*** it up royally to the point where it becomes a truly hideous idea that becomes legally codified and violations of such are dealt with in a punitive fashion.

I'm not saying that healthy dining choices are a bad idea, but having the government come in and decide for people what is good and what is bad for them is a disaster waiting to happen.

Should the USDA give out healthy 'Surplus' food to people on welfare programs in lieu of foodstamps, that would be one thing,(which would probably be a better idea than foodstamps anyways) but telling everybody what they can or cannot eat is something that will be met with resistance.

So far though, the only 'Healthy' USDA Surplus foods that I've seen are bulk rice in 25lb bags, unbleached flour, their brick mortar consistancy peanut butter, their redskin peanuts, and unsalted crushed peanuts.

Most of the other stuff , such as the 5lb Velveetoid cheese blocks, the canned pork and beef, as well as the various fruits such as peaches, cherries, apricots, stc packed in heavy syrup are most assuredly NOT healthy choices.


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02 Jan 2016, 5:58 pm

Fogman wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
Fogman wrote:
If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


In my opinion that's a bit like telling *all* people they should be able to make themselves immune to advertising, marketing, lack of local healthy food grocery stores and all those other causes that silently guide people toward eating poorly. Not everyone has that luxury, be it because of economics, location or personality type & social position (ie children of parents who don't know any better).

And then there's the recent research that points to many obese people possibly being so in part because of genetics and/or intestinal bacteria strains.

But the worse aspect, to me, is that it resembles far too closely what we autistic people heard for decades until some point in the 2000's. That what are now recognized as the very signs and symptoms of autism - a neurological variation - were our fault. We were told we had meltdowns because we were spoiled, or selfish. When we had to do things in pairs, or count things we were told we had no self control. We wouldn't look people in the eye because we didn't care about other people or about "getting along" with them. You get the idea...Fat shaming is no different from the shaming we autistic people endured for decades.


Okay to a point, but what usually happens when the government gets ahold of a good idea, they tend to F*** it up royally to the point where it becomes a truly hideous idea that becomes legally codified and violations of such are dealt with in a punitive fashion.

I'm not saying that healthy dining choices are a bad idea, but having the government come in and decide for people what is good and what is bad for them is a disaster waiting to happen.

Should the USDA give out healthy 'Surplus' food to people on welfare programs in lieu of foodstamps, that would be one thing,(which would probably be a better idea than foodstamps anyways) but telling everybody what they can or cannot eat is something that will be met with resistance.

So far though, the only 'Healthy' USDA Surplus foods that I've seen are bulk rice in 25lb bags, unbleached flour, their brick mortar consistancy peanut butter, their redskin peanuts, and unsalted crushed peanuts.

Most of the other stuff , such as the 5lb Velveetoid cheese blocks, the canned pork and beef, as well as the various fruits such as peaches, cherries, apricots, stc packed in heavy syrup are most assuredly NOT healthy choices.


I don't personally trust the FDA to be anything other than a shill for food and drug industry corporations. The food pyramid was a wonderful way to sell grain that would otherwise surplus. Drug testing & approvals? The process is laughable...and so on. Know what happens when there is contaminated food? The FDA must *negotiate* with them to so much as announce the problem since the screw up (usually the result of cost cutting) might negatively affect investor profits. The news is typically released right around the time the contaminated lots have left the supply chain, I've noticed...


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02 Jan 2016, 6:13 pm

Yeah sure continue with the fat-shaming.
"Oh why can't you just stop eating?"
"Because if people stop eating they'll *die*, duhhhhhh." :doh:
Not immediate death of course, but slow and agonizingly painful. Just look at anorexic people. Being addicted to drugs, alcohol, smoking and gambling is much worse, they're things you don't need to survive anyway, and yet I don't see bars and casinos being shut down because of it. I've never heard of a gambling junkie being turned away because they lost all the money they needed to feed their kids just the day before.

What a stupid world. I really am on the wrong planet. :(



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02 Jan 2016, 11:17 pm

Fogman wrote:
Edenthiel wrote:
Fogman wrote:
If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


In my opinion that's a bit like telling *all* people they should be able to make themselves immune to advertising, marketing, lack of local healthy food grocery stores and all those other causes that silently guide people toward eating poorly. Not everyone has that luxury, be it because of economics, location or personality type & social position (ie children of parents who don't know any better).

And then there's the recent research that points to many obese people possibly being so in part because of genetics and/or intestinal bacteria strains.

But the worse aspect, to me, is that it resembles far too closely what we autistic people heard for decades until some point in the 2000's. That what are now recognized as the very signs and symptoms of autism - a neurological variation - were our fault. We were told we had meltdowns because we were spoiled, or selfish. When we had to do things in pairs, or count things we were told we had no self control. We wouldn't look people in the eye because we didn't care about other people or about "getting along" with them. You get the idea...Fat shaming is no different from the shaming we autistic people endured for decades.


Okay to a point, but what usually happens when the government gets ahold of a good idea, they tend to F*** it up royally to the point where it becomes a truly hideous idea that becomes legally codified and violations of such are dealt with in a punitive fashion.

^This

And I love how some people talk about corporate shills lieing when the government has an equal or greater number of bureaucratic shills that are rarely if ever held accountable. They actually think some government bureaucrat cares about thier health.

Then you have the same people that whine about bully cops, sociopathic prosecutors, and contractor operated prisons but at the same time wanting to give them more fodder by criminalizing everything.
Duh.


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02 Jan 2016, 11:30 pm

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If people want to supersize everything they eat, then that is their perogative, and if they can't handle the end results, then they shouldn't do anything to incur those end results.


In my opinion that's a bit like telling *all* people they should be able to make themselves immune to advertising, marketing, lack of local healthy food grocery stores and all those other causes that silently guide people toward eating poorly. Not everyone has that luxury, be it because of economics, location or personality type & social position (ie children of parents who don't know any better).

Advertising? A fool and his money (or in this case health) are soon parted. Nutritional education has been a part of standard K-12 education for generations. It's not everything but it's enough to give people enough knowledge to make wise choices in terms of diet and exercise. Really, it's not rocket science.

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And then there's the recent research that points to many obese people possibly being so in part because of genetics and/or intestinal bacteria strains.

But the worse aspect, to me, is that it resembles far too closely what we autistic people heard for decades until some point in the 2000's. That what are now recognized as the very signs and symptoms of autism - a neurological variation - were our fault. We were told we had meltdowns because we were spoiled, or selfish. When we had to do things in pairs, or count things we were told we had no self control. We wouldn't look people in the eye because we didn't care about other people or about "getting along" with them. You get the idea...Fat shaming is no different from the shaming we autistic people endured for decades.

Yeah, but for most people it's just a matter of putting down the fork and putting on the running shoes.


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03 Jan 2016, 3:28 am

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Nutritional education has been a part of standard K-12 education for generations. It's not everything but it's enough to give people enough knowledge to make wise choices in terms of diet and exercise. Really, it's not rocket science.


Is that the K-12 nutritional education that throughout *my* school years pushed massive amounts of high-glycemic carbs, some fruits and veggies, few proteins and just a touch of fats via the "Food Pyramid"?

Or the one slightly later that was pushed by Congress so that pizza and ketchup/catsup would be considered vegetables?

Or the one that more recently has pushed sugar-salt (& sometimes caffeine) sodas and drinks along with branded fast food in school cafeterias?


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Nutritional education has been a part of standard K-12 education for generations. It's not everything but it's enough to give people enough knowledge to make wise choices in terms of diet and exercise. Really, it's not rocket science.


Is that the K-12 nutritional education that throughout *my* school years pushed massive amounts of high-glycemic carbs, some fruits and veggies, few proteins and just a touch of fats via the "Food Pyramid"?

Or the one slightly later that was pushed by Congress so that pizza and ketchup/catsup would be considered vegetables?

Or the one that more recently has pushed sugar-salt (& sometimes caffeine) sodas and drinks along with branded fast food in school cafeterias?


I'm talking about what they teach in the classroom, not about what they serve in the cafeteria. I rarely ate cafeteria food after the 6th grade. Public school is another good example of a government bureaucracy. They teach one thing and practice another without giving a s**t. That won't change so you just have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.


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Nutritional education has been a part of standard K-12 education for generations. It's not everything but it's enough to give people enough knowledge to make wise choices in terms of diet and exercise. Really, it's not rocket science.


Is that the K-12 nutritional education that throughout *my* school years pushed massive amounts of high-glycemic carbs, some fruits and veggies, few proteins and just a touch of fats via the "Food Pyramid"?

Or the one slightly later that was pushed by Congress so that pizza and ketchup/catsup would be considered vegetables?

Or the one that more recently has pushed sugar-salt (& sometimes caffeine) sodas and drinks along with branded fast food in school cafeterias?


I'm talking about what they teach in the classroom, not about what they serve in the cafeteria. I rarely ate cafeteria food after the 6th grade. Public school is another good example of a government bureaucracy. They teach one thing and practice another without giving a s**t. That won't change so you just have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.


What they serve (or vend) in the cafeteria is indeed part of the education of those kids, even if it is not part of the formal classroom. My example was to show that they weren't even teaching the right thing, but because of corporations and food industry lobbyists having too much influence on our political system and therefore the education (formal and informal) of our populous.


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Edenthiel wrote:
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Edenthiel wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Nutritional education has been a part of standard K-12 education for generations. It's not everything but it's enough to give people enough knowledge to make wise choices in terms of diet and exercise. Really, it's not rocket science.


Is that the K-12 nutritional education that throughout *my* school years pushed massive amounts of high-glycemic carbs, some fruits and veggies, few proteins and just a touch of fats via the "Food Pyramid"?

Or the one slightly later that was pushed by Congress so that pizza and ketchup/catsup would be considered vegetables?

Or the one that more recently has pushed sugar-salt (& sometimes caffeine) sodas and drinks along with branded fast food in school cafeterias?


I'm talking about what they teach in the classroom, not about what they serve in the cafeteria. I rarely ate cafeteria food after the 6th grade. Public school is another good example of a government bureaucracy. They teach one thing and practice another without giving a s**t. That won't change so you just have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.


What they serve (or vend) in the cafeteria is indeed part of the education of those kids, even if it is not part of the formal classroom. My example was to show that they weren't even teaching the right thing, but because of corporations and food industry lobbyists having too much influence on our political system and therefore the education (formal and informal) of our populous.

Public schools are microcosms of how our goveremnt works. Don't look for it to get much better but we can try to contain it by not having government do everything for us.


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05 Jan 2016, 11:44 am

It's gotten to the point where more an more people can't receive necessary medical scans because they can't fit into the machines. It's depressing to walk through the mall and see all the lumbering masses struggling to get from store to store to buy more s**t they don't need!


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05 Jan 2016, 12:12 pm

I have faith that anti fat people will always be an acceptable prejudice.


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05 Jan 2016, 12:25 pm

I don't know it seems like a lot of junk food or heavily processed less healthy food is cheaper.


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