Pentagon suspects Vladimir Putin has Asperger's

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15 May 2017, 7:57 am

I definitely think he has Aspergers. He looks introverted, seems to really enjoy control and structure(which I relate to), and it would be AWESOME if he did! Yes, he is not the nicest ruler ever, but it's not his fault. And I don't think there's any other aspie world leaders! Even if he is a bit of a jerk, he's all we got, for now. And, he is kinda like us. Just picked the WAY WRONG career.


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15 May 2017, 10:43 am

I have no idea what an introverted person is supposed to look like, maybe it is my poor reading of non verbal language of others. Bieng a control freak is a trait of a lot of conditions such as OCD, Narcissism, sadism etc. As mentioned earlier in this thread the Pentegon conclusions seemed to be based on quack science.


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19 May 2017, 10:09 pm

If Putin has Asperger's it could be considered evidence that those with it are the next stage of human evolution.

FTR He's a cruel villain.



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19 May 2017, 11:28 pm

It could also be reading too much into the situation. A lot of Russian leaders have carried themselves like Putin, he's a throwback 'strong man' type, really no different than Stalin or Peter the Great. Look at a photo of Stalin sometime, you'll see the same blank stare Putin has, same with Peter the Great and a lot of their leaders. I'm more of the inclination it's a cultural representation and nothing medical at all. I've never heard of him having problems with overbearing stimulus, or communication difficulties, or meltdowns-- not necessarily that one can't have autism without those characteristics, but they are pretty defining traits and easy to spot.



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20 May 2017, 8:02 am

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If the Pentagon actually paid for this "research" hoping to get some useful information then they are more incompetent than I thought but when you read the article pretty much anyone here at least will know it is total garbage and propaganda. It's just a headline and most people can't be bothered to actually read past that, the ones that do probably don't know enough about Asperger's or ASDs in general to know what it total bunk.

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I just read the original Pentagon paper that this article was citing. I'm a psychiatry resident at Washington University in St. Louis, which is a place that's well-known for studying the neuroscience of autism (of which Asperger's is a type). There are so many problems with the paper that I think the person who wrote it should be fired immediately. Here are the first few that come to mind: (1) A significant portion of the science quoted is simply wrong, including many things that are used to make big conclusions. I don't want to point out every single MAJOR scientific problem because there are so many of them. One example is that she refers to the "temporal lobe of the prefrontal cortex" as the source of Putin's movement problems. In fact, there is no such thing as the "temporal lobe of the prefrontal cortex" - the temporal lobe and prefrontal cortex are completely different parts of the brain, and neither of them has any influence on subconscious/involuntary movement. It also says that the findings could only be confirmed by MRI, which is also simply false - MRI has no utility in autism/Aperger's. Also, she repeatedly states that the neurological insult would have happened in childhood and brain plasticity would never have recovered, which is also false - brain plasticity recovers remarkably well in children, and even in an adult, it would have mostly recovered if it was caused by the etiology that she suggested. (2) The author is a political scientist with no medical training. As an aside, there are lots of spelling and grammar mistakes in the paper. (3) The author's qualification as a "certified movement analyst" is something that is only provided by a single school, whose only accreditation is by the National Association of Schools of Dance. The person who started it was an expert on dance movements. (4) Most of the psychological findings described in the study would be much better explained by Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which is very common among world leaders because narcissism leads people to seek leadership roles. Any psychiatrist can tell you that, but because the author of the study has no medical training, she didn't know that this is a more likely diagnosis.


If this study was funded by the Pentagon, would be another example in a long line if the government paying a premium for garbage and passing the bill on to taxpayers. The Starr Report for the Bill Cliton/Monica Lewinsky affair cost about $40 million and produced what is arguably the wolds most boring piece of pornography. This is much like the Pentagon for having no problem spending $640 for a toilet seat, $660 for an ashtray, and $7,600 per coffee-maker, and $74,000 a pop for ladders. --Never underestimate our government's ability to not have issues spending a premium for complete s**t.


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20 May 2017, 3:09 pm

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It could also be reading too much into the situation. A lot of Russian leaders have carried themselves like Putin, he's a throwback 'strong man' type, really no different than Stalin or Peter the Great. Look at a photo of Stalin sometime, you'll see the same blank stare Putin has, same with Peter the Great and a lot of their leaders. I'm more of the inclination it's a cultural representation and nothing medical at all. I've never heard of him having problems with overbearing stimulus, or communication difficulties, or meltdowns-- not necessarily that one can't have autism without those characteristics, but they are pretty defining traits and easy to spot.


Saddam Hussein, a great fan of Stalin, had practised that emotionless expression till he had mastered it.


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20 May 2017, 4:13 pm

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It could also be reading too much into the situation. A lot of Russian leaders have carried themselves like Putin, he's a throwback 'strong man' type, really no different than Stalin or Peter the Great. Look at a photo of Stalin sometime, you'll see the same blank stare Putin has, same with Peter the Great and a lot of their leaders. I'm more of the inclination it's a cultural representation and nothing medical at all. I've never heard of him having problems with overbearing stimulus, or communication difficulties, or meltdowns-- not necessarily that one can't have autism without those characteristics, but they are pretty defining traits and easy to spot.


Saddam Hussein, a great fan of Stalin, had practised that emotionless expression till he had mastered it.


He was even better at mimicking Stalin's purges...



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20 May 2017, 4:33 pm

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It could also be reading too much into the situation. A lot of Russian leaders have carried themselves like Putin, he's a throwback 'strong man' type, really no different than Stalin or Peter the Great. Look at a photo of Stalin sometime, you'll see the same blank stare Putin has, same with Peter the Great and a lot of their leaders. I'm more of the inclination it's a cultural representation and nothing medical at all. I've never heard of him having problems with overbearing stimulus, or communication difficulties, or meltdowns-- not necessarily that one can't have autism without those characteristics, but they are pretty defining traits and easy to spot.


Saddam Hussein, a great fan of Stalin, had practised that emotionless expression till he had mastered it.


He was even better at mimicking Stalin's purges...


Very true.


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20 May 2017, 6:54 pm

The traits listed in the article are just the traits of any power hungry head of state who seeks to be a dictator.

Steely nerves. need for control, poker face.



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21 May 2017, 2:52 am

I read in a "Readers Digest" issue that having spoken to the psychologist who apparently works with P{utin is that he/she suspects he may have ASD. I hope he does, alot of people have good things to say about him, it's unfortunate that he might be an enemy of our COuntry though if a war broke out (Aus+America+they rest of the allies)



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21 May 2017, 3:55 am

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I read in a "Readers Digest" issue that having spoken to the psychologist who apparently works with P{utin is that he/she suspects he may have ASD. I hope he does, alot of people have good things to say about him, it's unfortunate that he might be an enemy of our COuntry though if a war broke out (Aus+America+they rest of the allies)


Just what is there to say good about him? That he destroys democracy very well? That he's a pro at getting away with murder?


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21 May 2017, 6:09 am

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I read in a "Readers Digest" issue that having spoken to the psychologist who apparently works with P{utin is that he/she suspects he may have ASD. I hope he does, alot of people have good things to say about him, it's unfortunate that he might be an enemy of our COuntry though if a war broke out (Aus+America+they rest of the allies)


Just what is there to say good about him? That he destroys democracy very well? That he's a pro at getting away with murder?



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21 May 2017, 6:24 am

Putin + Trump + Kim = narcissism + borderline personality disorder



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21 May 2017, 7:45 am

Look, Putin doesn't have a disorder of any kind. He doesn't value human life, and he doesn't respect the boundaries of other states. Those are choices, not a mental illness. The people with mental illness are the ones that see all of his rivals end up disfigured or dead, watch him shrug his shoulders and say "It wasn't me, I'm a victim", and then believe him-- that's full on delusional right there.



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22 May 2017, 1:54 am

Yes, he seems a little brutal for an aspie, but only because he feels the need to. Any aspie can attest that control over situations and structure are VERY important. But politics aren't structured, there is plenty of scandal, unrest, and changes, so he makes an authoritarian government, and tries to take control of neighboring countries, to try to stabilize things. It makes it easier for him. He shouldn't even have gone into politics, but since he did, now we've got a leader that compensates for the lack of structure by extreme control of Eastern Europe. Haven't you ever thought that maybe he doesn't have a choice? IT'S NOT HIS FAULT! If you need an example, look at Hitler. He is an aspie with the exact same characteristics.

I don't know if Stalin or Ivan the Terrible had Aspergers, but the similarity is probably just a coincidence.


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22 May 2017, 2:22 am

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Yes, he seems a little brutal for an aspie, but only because he feels the need to. Any aspie can attest that control over situations and structure are VERY important. But politics aren't structured, there is plenty of scandal, unrest, and changes, so he makes an authoritarian government, and tries to take control of neighboring countries, to try to stabilize things. It makes it easier for him. He shouldn't even have gone into politics, but since he did, now we've got a leader that compensates for the lack of structure by extreme control of Eastern Europe. Haven't you ever thought that maybe he doesn't have a choice? IT'S NOT HIS FAULT! If you need an example, look at Hitler. He is an aspie with the exact same characteristics.

I don't know if Stalin or Ivan the Terrible had Aspergers, but the similarity is probably just a coincidence.


I'm certain neither Hitler nor Putin fit the bill for being Aspies. Both of them could read people like a book, which is something we Aspies find to be beyond us. As a spy master, Putin couldn't have risen in the ranks of the KGB without being able to have that almost supernatural insight. As for Hitler; he fits the description of Narcissistic Personality Disorder much more than he does with Asperger's.


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