Why America or UK not drop A-bomb or better H-Bomb on isis

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22 Feb 2015, 2:12 am

Because they know I'm sick of seeing them as the bad guys they were in the Bush era. And by contrast with Isis they come out looking like ghandi



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22 Feb 2015, 7:46 am

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Has it occured to you that perhaps ISIS is a political asset for America?



Goodness, somebody who can think for themselves rather than think what they are told to think.

Remember Al Qaeda, that CIA controlled asset formed to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and then morphed into the bogeyman to incite racial hatred against Muslims and encourage the backing of Western wars against innocent countries in the Middle East?

Well ISIS is just Al Qaeda mark 2, the phoenix of Al Qaeda rising from the ashes in a bigger more frightening form, heck, when they produce their oh so obviously Hollywood production videos to show the world how evil they are, they even portray ISIS Muslims as being giants, Does ISIS really have SEVEN-FOOT tall executioners? Parts of grisly film showing beheading of 21 Christians were faked, claim experts Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3STbaUDCz Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

In fact probably more chance of America giving ISIS a nuclear bomb than dropping one of them :- ISIS Leader: We Are Being Funded By The United States

Same lies are given by our governments war after war and we never learn, remember the First World War when we were being incited to hate the Germans by being assured they were cutting off babies hands and had corpse factories where they melted people down for soap, that lie was so successful that they used it again just a few years later in the second world war.

Who benefits though?
Can you imagine the Germans in the First world war filming themselves cutting off babies hands then sending the films to the West in order to ensure the West tries even harder to destroy Germany?, it doesn't make sense, rather you would produce propaganda that puts you in a good light, ISIS would be showing films of them helping care for women and children that the Americans had dropped bombs on.
It is the West that benefits from ISIS, it destabilises the Middle East, gives an excuse for a Nazi like invasion, and incites fear motivated hatred for the Arab world that ensures Westerners will gladly sacrifice their children in yet another bankers land grab.

Ask yourself why Al Qaeda traveled half way around the world to attack America for its support of Israel yet never touched Israel itself that is right on its doorstep.

Ask yourself why Isis attacks other Muslims and Christians but never once does anything against the greatest enemy of Islam, Israel?



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22 Feb 2015, 8:32 am

True, and we are making war on all branches of Islam, except the Saudi. Iraq, Iran, Syria were in their way.

Saudis claim to be the one true Islam, all others are pretenders.

They have the infidel dog oil companies doing their fighting and dying for development and production contracts.

The Saudi support Israel as an enemy for the Islamic States to focus on.

ISIS does the same things the Saudi do, chop off heads.

The Saudis and Gulf States funded ISIS and supplied weapons to attack the FSA, to make sure no moderate faction could win in Syria. Before that they used the Americans to start the attack on Syria, then took over.

Western Iraq is the path a pipeline would take from the Saudi fields to Europe. It is called The Empty Quarter, nothing but desert, now occupied by ISIS. Taking western Iraq, southern Syria, the rest of the way is through Israel.

All these people are not being killed for political or religious reasons, it is for a pipeline.



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02 Mar 2015, 8:54 pm

Nambo wrote:
Goodness, somebody who can think for themselves rather than think what they are told to think.

Remember Al Qaeda, that CIA controlled asset formed to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and then morphed into the bogeyman to incite racial hatred against Muslims and encourage the backing of Western wars against innocent countries in the Middle East?

Well ISIS is just Al Qaeda mark 2.... *snip*

It is the West that benefits from ISIS, it destabilises the Middle East, gives an excuse for a Nazi like invasion, and incites fear motivated hatred for the Arab world that ensures Westerners will gladly sacrifice their children in yet another bankers land grab.

Ask yourself why Al Qaeda traveled half way around the world to attack America for its support of Israel yet never touched Israel itself that is right on its doorstep.

Ask yourself why Isis attacks other Muslims and Christians but never once does anything against the greatest enemy of Islam, Israel?


Actually I doubt very much Isis is the brainchild of the US. It is most likely the prodigy of Putin's Russia. Just look at the oh, so prodigiously similar, coincidental and professional the crisis in Crimea & Ukraine are to the ISIS crisis in the middle east. The timeline is just too perfect in Russia's benefit... to keep NATO/UN/US forces at bay because if they deploy in the middle east they wont be able to deploy in Europe in time to counter any russian overt aggression... and they could not deploy to the middle east if they are doing a cold-war stand-off with the russian forces in the Ukraine. By not being able to do either, the western forces are deadlocked into inaction...which allowed Putin to annex Crimea and now gobble up half the Ukraine...all the while destabilizing the core of Russia's economic opponents (oil, aka middle east) and potentially, if ISIS succeeds, setting themselves up as very good friends with the new powers that own the middle east oil and supply lines. Its a classic cold war routine: War by Proxy.

As to why ISIS has not touched Israel... the answer is absurdly simple: They know they cannot engage a modern, disciplined military force. Its hilarious to see people think that the armed rabble that was the Iraqi and Syrian military counted as an army. The one thing all middle eastern muslim countries have in common is that their militaries are completely useless in the field...they exist only to keep the local population in line. The reason ISIS has done so well against the national militaries and why its failing against the peshmerga is because they could infiltrate the sectarian-divided military which is corrupt and ineffective ...while the peshmerga are neither. Isis cannot infiltrate the Israeli army either... plus they know that, if by some 'miracle' they managed to push the Israeli military to fighting within Israeli border, the Israelis will just nuke everyone around them (Israel is believed to have a big arsenal of small tactical nukes... precisely because they're not stupid to toss large nukes that would kill their own population through fallout/etc as well. Tactical nukes can devastate a few km's of territory without that big of a fallout consequence).



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03 Mar 2015, 4:47 am

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Nambo wrote:
Goodness, somebody who can think for themselves rather than think what they are told to think.

Remember Al Qaeda, that CIA controlled asset formed to fight the Russians in Afghanistan and then morphed into the bogeyman to incite racial hatred against Muslims and encourage the backing of Western wars against innocent countries in the Middle East?

Well ISIS is just Al Qaeda mark 2.... *snip*

It is the West that benefits from ISIS, it destabilises the Middle East, gives an excuse for a Nazi like invasion, and incites fear motivated hatred for the Arab world that ensures Westerners will gladly sacrifice their children in yet another bankers land grab.

Ask yourself why Al Qaeda traveled half way around the world to attack America for its support of Israel yet never touched Israel itself that is right on its doorstep.

Ask yourself why Isis attacks other Muslims and Christians but never once does anything against the greatest enemy of Islam, Israel?


Actually I doubt very much Isis is the brainchild of the US. It is most likely the prodigy of Putin's Russia. Just look at the oh, so prodigiously similar, coincidental and professional the crisis in Crimea & Ukraine are to the ISIS crisis in the middle east. The timeline is just too perfect in Russia's benefit... to keep NATO/UN/US forces at bay because if they deploy in the middle east they wont be able to deploy in Europe in time to counter any russian overt aggression... and they could not deploy to the middle east if they are doing a cold-war stand-off with the russian forces in the Ukraine. By not being able to do either, the western forces are deadlocked into inaction...which allowed Putin to annex Crimea and now gobble up half the Ukraine...all the while destabilizing the core of Russia's economic opponents (oil, aka middle east) and potentially, if ISIS succeeds, setting themselves up as very good friends with the new powers that own the middle east oil and supply lines. Its a classic cold war routine: War by Proxy.

As to why ISIS has not touched Israel... the answer is absurdly simple: They know they cannot engage a modern, disciplined military force. Its hilarious to see people think that the armed rabble that was the Iraqi and Syrian military counted as an army. The one thing all middle eastern muslim countries have in common is that their militaries are completely useless in the field...they exist only to keep the local population in line. The reason ISIS has done so well against the national militaries and why its failing against the peshmerga is because they could infiltrate the sectarian-divided military which is corrupt and ineffective ...while the peshmerga are neither. Isis cannot infiltrate the Israeli army either... plus they know that, if by some 'miracle' they managed to push the Israeli military to fighting within Israeli border, the Israelis will just nuke everyone around them (Israel is believed to have a big arsenal of small tactical nukes... precisely because they're not stupid to toss large nukes that would kill their own population through fallout/etc as well. Tactical nukes can devastate a few km's of territory without that big of a fallout consequence).


I imagine America would like you to think the above, they are doing all the can to demonise Putin and Russia, so I imagine they have yet another world war they want to start whilst blaming it on the other side.
I wonder why if it was Putin funding ISIS that all their brand new military vehicles are American and so many sources claim its Western Money:-
ISIS Leader: We are being funded by the United States
ISIS was created by the CIA and Mossad
Top Commander Says It's Supported by US, Israel and KSA!
MP George Galloway: ISIS Western American Allies and Enemies
UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria
Obama Proposes $500 Million to Aid Syrian Rebels

I could go on, you will remember how Al Qaeda was formed, funded and trained by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, ISIS is just the next step, to help destabalise the middle eastern countries America and Israel are determined to overthrow, especially Syria at the moment.

As for your last comment about Israel, so Muslim terrorists can fly half way around the world to attack America and Britain on their own soil, but Israel, a country of their down doorstep, is far to strong for them to even attempt?
And what about the Americans still in Iraq?, ISIS seems to be able to fight them successfully but not even attempt Israel you say?



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03 Mar 2015, 7:49 am

Why didn't you drop an H-Bomb on Cuba?



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03 Mar 2015, 8:42 am

The conspiracy is strong with this thread.



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03 Mar 2015, 11:18 am

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It seems that the ISIS does not follow any rules of war.


I wonder why America does not dump the atomic bomb on ISIS.

Two atomic bombs tiny enough to show the reportedly undefeated Japanese "Empire" where their place :D


The only two nuclear weapons ever used in anger were dropped on very well defined limited areas. They were dropped on cities.

ISIS is spread over a large area which is intermixed with non-ISIS regions. If we were to nuke ISIS we would kill tens of millions of non-ISIS people in the process. And that would do us no good at all. Doing such a thing would anger Muslims the world over and we would end up with more Muslim enemies than we have now.

Nuking ISIS is a thoroughly bad idea.

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03 Mar 2015, 11:34 am

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*1 I imagine America would like you to think the above, they are doing all the can to demonise Putin and Russia, so I imagine they have yet another world war they want to start whilst blaming it on the other side.

*2 I wonder why if it was Putin funding ISIS that all their brand new military vehicles are American and so many sources claim its Western Money:-

*3 I could go on, you will remember how Al Qaeda was formed, funded and trained by the CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, ISIS is just the next step, to help destabalise the middle eastern countries America and Israel are determined to overthrow, especially Syria at the moment.

*4 As for your last comment about Israel, so Muslim terrorists can fly half way around the world to attack America and Britain on their own soil, but Israel, a country of their down doorstep, is far to strong for them to even attempt?

*5 And what about the Americans still in Iraq?, ISIS seems to be able to fight them successfully but not even attempt Israel you say?


1- That's an absurd claim. Who benefits the most from a destabilized middle east at precisely the same time that Russia invades the Ukraine? Not only that, who benefits the most from the middle east, which was already largely pro-american (the players that count in the region..aka saudis,etc) having its power structures challenged? From, at the time, destabilizing the oil supply? All the benefits in this situation are reaped only by Russia both politically, economically and strategically. The US doing any of this would be risking everything in the middle east for the sake of gaining... what? Tossing Assad off power? That is of very little benefit.

2- It may have escaped your notice but Isis uses both Russian and American equipment. Why? They've taken the Russian gear in Syria from the Syrian army and the American gear from the Iraqis..which were equipped and supplied by the US. 'Taken' is too strong a word even.. 'procured' is more like it. The corruption and sectarian divides in Iraq is impressive.

3- See point #1 as to who benefits from what. Syria was a relatively unimportant backwater country ruled by an internationally passive dictator (aka he didnt attack his neighbors nor blab rhetoric or death to everyone type stupidity). There would be very,very little to gain from the US or Israel overthrowing Assad..and particularly seeing that it happened at the same time the world was seeing the other 'arab spring' nations mostly end up as terrorist-controlled power structures.

4- Do you know the difference between a terrorist attack and a military engagement? You're allegedly Prussian, you should know this stuff. Israel's military would crush any Isis military attack with ease. A terrorist attack is much different but a terrorist attack does not dislodge nor remove military presence from an area..hence Isis cannot conquer Israel because to do so they'd have to meet their military in the field... and heck, Isis has its hands full and is losing against the Kurdish Peshmerga in field combat, imagine how they'd fare against a real and extremely well equipped and trained military.

5- Successfully? When has Isis defeated a US military force? I do hope you're not referring to the Iraqi army bases where a handful of US trainer/advisors were stationed (which were not successful either btw).



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03 Mar 2015, 1:57 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Why didn't you drop an H-Bomb on Cuba?


It is unnecessary. Hold on a little longer and the regime in Cuba was fall on its own. Fidel is old and probably senile and his buddies are getting long in the tooth also. Once they die out the regime will open up in order to get American investment.

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03 Mar 2015, 6:07 pm

International Politics is long past a USA/Russia issue.
ISIS is a Saudi faction, that liberated the Sunni heartland, same faction as the Saudi.

America has a small Iranian government in Bagdad, a Kurd faction in the north that were a part of the Iraq Government but are acting like a country. The Sunni took the hardest hit, Saddam's base, and were supposed to be in the government, but were excluded.

Saudi and the Gulf Stats funded the Islamic Front that became ISIS.

Iran supports Syria, Lebanon, and Bagdad. Russia supports Syria, Iran, and Lebanon.

When the US pulled out of Iraq, and would not sell aircraft to the government, Russia did, and a deal, fast delivery of used reconditioned planes, choppers, with training and spare parts. The parts came from their Ukraine Factories, and the planes came from EEU countries, who were given a deal to trade up to newer Russian craft.

ISIS was expanding, Russia got planes to Bagdad in time to defend it.

Several Islamic fronts in Syria later joined ISIS, Russia supplied the guns and ammo to hold them back. They defended Syria in the UN. Besides weapons, Syria has food, fuel, medical supplies, and money.

The Saudi admitted funding Islamic groups in Russia, that killed Russian children. schools, concerts, and Russia leveled cities to kill them all.

Russia does not support Islamic terror. Syria does not support religious government.

The Saudi kings have only terror and religion. On the field of battle, Iraq, or Iran, or Syria, could defeat them.
Together they have more oil, and the best pipeline route to Europe. The Saudi are a very small population.

Russia is working on pulling Turkey, Greece, and Egypt into their Customs Union.

The Saudi want all Islam, with them as the King.

Russia supported Ukraine for the last twenty years, recently offering $15 Billion and discount gas, and their military industries. It was not Russia that broke the deal. The coup in Kiev destroyed Ukraine. Pensions cut, gas prices tripled, and everyone under sixty drafted. This is not what the people wanted.

The US is no longer an industrial power, a technological power, and their economic power based on increasing debt recently broke the world economy. Currently they spend half on war machines, and half on Social Security, and the great bulk of War Babies are retiring. The numbers are too large to borrow out of debt with more debt.

The Petro Dollar was based on scarce oil trading in dollars, but production is now larger than consumption. Russia has two new fields both larger than the Saudis. Oil should be cheap.

China, Russia, Europe, have no use for war.