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Is fox "news" anti-American?
YES 63%  63%  [ 17 ]
NO 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
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25 Feb 2015, 3:07 pm

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Individual rights are low on the conservative agenda. They want the state to sponsor religion with my tax dollars, they are anti-choice and they believe that mindless bureaucracies (corporations) should have more power over individuals. […]
True, there are many types of conservatives. I am talking about the ones in power. You must also disagree with them.


I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "conservative".


Hate-filled conservative here. :D
I guess we should point out to wittgenstein that the left's idea of individual rights is rather selective. And that they want the state to be a nanny to everyone (also with tax dollars) whether they want to be nannied or not.


Well, bleeding heart liberal, here. :lol:
As you question the value of the state being "a nanny to everyone," would you include social security, and unemployment insurance in that? Do you think, as many conservatives have stated, people should be able to opt out? Just as a reminder, that would be the death knell to such programs which millions depend on.


My opinion on the social safety net is well documented here. Your deliberate obtuseness is your problem.......


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25 Feb 2015, 5:56 pm

Raptor wrote:
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Individual rights are low on the conservative agenda. They want the state to sponsor religion with my tax dollars, they are anti-choice and they believe that mindless bureaucracies (corporations) should have more power over individuals. […]
True, there are many types of conservatives. I am talking about the ones in power. You must also disagree with them.


I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "conservative".


Hate-filled conservative here. :D
I guess we should point out to wittgenstein that the left's idea of individual rights is rather selective. And that they want the state to be a nanny to everyone (also with tax dollars) whether they want to be nannied or not.


Well, bleeding heart liberal, here. :lol:
As you question the value of the state being "a nanny to everyone," would you include social security, and unemployment insurance in that? Do you think, as many conservatives have stated, people should be able to opt out? Just as a reminder, that would be the death knell to such programs which millions depend on.


My opinion on the social safety net is well documented here. Your deliberate obtuseness is your problem.......


No, I'm just trying to make a point that even you, to a degree, have to admit that the state does have to nanny everyone for their own good in certain matters.
As a matter of fact, I do know you're not one of those real hateful conservatives who wants to cut the safety net, and let everyone inside it fall out on their tail bones. :lol:


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26 Feb 2015, 3:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Individual rights are low on the conservative agenda. They want the state to sponsor religion with my tax dollars, they are anti-choice and they believe that mindless bureaucracies (corporations) should have more power over individuals. […]
True, there are many types of conservatives. I am talking about the ones in power. You must also disagree with them.


I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "conservative".


Hate-filled conservative here. :D
I guess we should point out to wittgenstein that the left's idea of individual rights is rather selective. And that they want the state to be a nanny to everyone (also with tax dollars) whether they want to be nannied or not.


Well, bleeding heart liberal, here. :lol:
As you question the value of the state being "a nanny to everyone," would you include social security, and unemployment insurance in that? Do you think, as many conservatives have stated, people should be able to opt out? Just as a reminder, that would be the death knell to such programs which millions depend on.


My opinion on the social safety net is well documented here. Your deliberate obtuseness is your problem.......


No, I'm just trying to make a point that even you, to a degree, have to admit that the state does have to nanny everyone for their own good in certain matters.
As a matter of fact, I do know you're not one of those real hateful conservatives who wants to cut the safety net, and let everyone inside it fall out on their tail bones. :lol:

I think you know there's a difference between social safety net and the intrusiveness of the nanny state.....


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26 Feb 2015, 3:32 am

Raptor wrote:
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luan78zao wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Individual rights are low on the conservative agenda. They want the state to sponsor religion with my tax dollars, they are anti-choice and they believe that mindless bureaucracies (corporations) should have more power over individuals. […]
True, there are many types of conservatives. I am talking about the ones in power. You must also disagree with them.


I am not now, nor have I ever been, a "conservative".


Hate-filled conservative here. :D
I guess we should point out to wittgenstein that the left's idea of individual rights is rather selective. And that they want the state to be a nanny to everyone (also with tax dollars) whether they want to be nannied or not.


Well, bleeding heart liberal, here. :lol:
As you question the value of the state being "a nanny to everyone," would you include social security, and unemployment insurance in that? Do you think, as many conservatives have stated, people should be able to opt out? Just as a reminder, that would be the death knell to such programs which millions depend on.


My opinion on the social safety net is well documented here. Your deliberate obtuseness is your problem.......


No, I'm just trying to make a point that even you, to a degree, have to admit that the state does have to nanny everyone for their own good in certain matters.
As a matter of fact, I do know you're not one of those real hateful conservatives who wants to cut the safety net, and let everyone inside it fall out on their tail bones. :lol:

I think you know there's a difference between social safety net and the intrusiveness of the nanny state.....


According to the far right, there aint.


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26 Feb 2015, 1:11 pm

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So then, what is the government's motivation to enact regulations, pray tell? I doubt it's just for the hell of it, or just to oppress "job creators." The simple fact is, some businesses had done something or failed to do something in the past which had done harm, and so measures had to be taken to prevent any further wrong doing.[/quote]

Sometimes it is a safety and health matter. Most of the time it is a favor to Corporate Cronies to keep start-ups at bay, new companies which threaten to bite into the profits of the established firms who pay the appropriate bribes to regulators and congresscritters.


I am shocked, shocked to see that bribery is going on in this country!! !! !! !



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26 Feb 2015, 1:15 pm

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So then, what is the government's motivation to enact regulations, pray tell? I doubt it's just for the hell of it, or just to oppress "job creators." The simple fact is, some businesses had done something or failed to do something in the past which had done harm, and so measures had to be taken to prevent any further wrong doing.


Sometimes it is a safety and health matter. Most of the time it is a favor to Corporate Cronies to keep start-ups at bay, new companies which threaten to bite into the profits of the established firms who pay the appropriate bribes to regulators and congresscritters.


I am shocked, shocked to see that bribery is going on in this country!! ! ! ! ! ![/quote]

Shocked says I :o :o :o :o :o :o ! !! !!


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26 Feb 2015, 2:08 pm

“Most of the time it is a favor to Corporate Cronies to keep start-ups at bay, new companies which threaten to bite into the profits of the established firms who pay the appropriate bribes to regulators and congresscritters.”
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Agreed! That is why I never vote Republican and their insistence on corporate welfare (which by comparison makes social welfare programs miniscule).
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“I think you know there's a difference between social safety net and the intrusiveness of the nanny state.....”
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I agree that some regulations are intrusive. However, those are few when compared to those that do good.
Yes, you can site New York’s attempt to ban large drinks. And I agree that that is intrusive. However, how many others can you name? I am sure they are a tiny percentage.

Government is a puppet of international corporations ( Even Obama! TTP, etc. That is why it is absurd to call Obama a socialist. He is one of the best friends Wall Street ever had!). To attack government is like attacking the puppet and not the puppeteer. To do so makes one look stupid.
Basically, the two parties are corrupt. But at least the Dems are less for Corporate hegemony and more for the working class. ( rather than the mega-rich betting class, Wall Street etc.)


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02 Mar 2015, 3:25 pm

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For all the right's talk about how a free market will benefit everyone, it's only convinced more and more of us that capitalism is just a con game for the rich to get richer off of us, while we languish.


As a free-market socialist who marvels at the mental gymnastics necessary to think that "free-market capitalism" isn't an oxymoron, I heartily approve of this sentiment. Score one for the Trots who infiltrated the Republican party.


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07 Mar 2015, 9:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
. The only difference is, with government, I know I can elect someone else into office, or vote a position up or down. Try that with the private sector.


Every purchase is a vote. Don't buy from corporations or firms you do not like.

Remember Habitatant Soup. Well one bad day the company did not boil their soup enough to kill the botulism bacteria and people died. Within a year the company that made the soup went bankrupt because no one would buy from them again.

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07 Mar 2015, 2:45 pm

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. The only difference is, with government, I know I can elect someone else into office, or vote a position up or down. Try that with the private sector.


Every purchase is a vote. Don't buy from corporations or firms you do not like.

Remember Habitatant Soup. Well one bad day the company did not boil their soup enough to kill the botulism bacteria and people died. Within a year the company that made the soup went bankrupt because no one would buy from them again.

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Must be why the name of that soup doesn't ring a bell. :?


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07 Mar 2015, 7:35 pm

I'd say Fox News is the equivalent of the Soup. Full of crap, makes you laugh at times and facepalm most of the time.

I'm not too fond of conservative "news" sites.



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09 Mar 2015, 2:27 am

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I'm not too fond of conservative "news" sites.

I'm not either. Mostly because they're often full of clickbait and super-annoying advertisements though.



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10 Mar 2015, 5:05 pm

the worst thing about 'em, is that they're just mean. :|



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10 Mar 2015, 5:12 pm

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the worst thing about 'em, is that they're just mean. :|


Absolutely true. Especially when they strike at easy targets who can't fight back, such as those on public assistance, or the unemployed, gays, or minorities.


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10 Mar 2015, 5:15 pm

and what is worse than their unalloyed meanness, is that they fancy their meanness as a noble thing, a righteous thing. and we all know where that leads.



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10 Mar 2015, 7:46 pm

I have GOT to remember to start using Fox as my sole source of news.....


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