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Just wanted to say I was misquoted by Lintar, probably accidentally.

That's one thing this site could improve. The quoting is very difficult.

As a product of a small town myself, I can relate to some of this - though my experience is displaced from yours by a couple of decades. There's a regressive and isolated aspect to small towns that is undoubtedly part of their charm, but which doesn't adequately prepare one for the hustle and bustle of the wider world.

Perhaps that's part of why I share your distaste of modern society to a degree, though it's safe to assume that Asperger's plays a part too.



Your anecdote certainly supports your observations regarding your bias, but it also reveals that your position isn't completely irrational and knee-jerk. You've clearly spent time contemplating the issue of faith and you appear to be at least doubtful, if not completely conflicted. I personally pay little heed to formal debates, primarily because they tend to demonstrate which party is the better orator rather than which position is the 'correct' one. That isn't to say I dislike such debates, but I'm somewhat cynical about both their purpose and their effectiveness.



Aye, you'll find people definitely fly their colours more readily on the interwebs than they would in the real world. There is a host of possible hypothetical reasons, some more likely or better supported than others, but I mostly put it down to that aforementioned shorthand establishment of identity - except in those cases where the poster is acerbic or derogatory from the off. There's a reason I've responded to your posts with inquiry, yet responded to other posts in this thread with no more than the following (sans music, natch):





It's something to do with fitness fanaticism - though it sounds like a derisive term for someone with a martyr complex.

Consciousness can die before the body. Death isn't a one size fit all. A brain can still keep you alive, in the absence of self.

It is rare this condition to occur for too long without life support, which is artificial keeping you "alive".

The point at which you die is debatable, becuase there not a set definition. Though most agree if there is no brain activity they are dead.

After death you can prevent decomposition, you can continue cell division/activity to an extent. However it will not bring someone back to life.

I'm an atheist btw.

You guys really need to watch some Green Wing, it makes Scrubs look like a kids program.

Scrubs makes Scrubs look like a kids' program. You really need to make fewer assumptions.

^^^

Like many sit-coms, 'Scrubs' is a
satire using 'simple' human
metaphors
to illuminate
the emotional
side of the human condition.
It's not a math or financial
project; or a literary work
of fine art; It's the human
condition in all its dirt
and fuzzy
comfort.

It is amazing to me how shallow
some aspects of society can be,
when it comes time to explore
the emotional side of the
human condition. One
hears a similar complaint
with modern music being
watered down to a first
to third grade reading level;
Some folks do not have the
capacity to understand that
emotions are much more complex
than the metaphors that describe emotions.
Music describes emotions better than lyrics
ever will; as music flows and words rarely
come close to approximating
the same flow of
human emotions.
Yeah; 'Scrubs' is an
emotionally touchy feely
thingy; but the thing is
THAT is FULLER HUMAN
reality for most folks;
NOT convoluted
science words
or even
'FINE WORKS
OF ART AND
THEATER' AS
SUCH AND
much.

It is amazing to
me how quickly
some folks can
dismiss
some parts
of reality as
meaningless;
but I totally
understand
why.

And yes, this includes
THE REAL concept of GOD;
And yes, this is on topic
of what is real
and what is
REALLY REAL.

And for a prime time example;
this is why 'the movie critics'
like 'Rotten Tomatoes' are
often so far off in their
analysis of movies
as compared to
the reaction of the
audience; often decrying
the simple nature of the
movie plot or whatever;
they don't understand
that the human
Heart AS the
Love Muscle in
Social Cognition
is a much more important
muscle to exercise than
intellect and mechanical
cognition. But alas the
rest of the population
is not lost in
mechanical cognition;
THANKS GOD..

Parody is not the same as satire. Very little is satirical about Scrubs, they maybe have done a few story lines around well trodden themes that are common topics of criticism, but the point isn't to be satirical, it is simply a story line they could use.

But anyway back more directly on topic;
There are atheists who are scared of death.
And there are GOD fearing folks who worship 'after-life'.

And then there are folks who worship nature who understand that death is a blessing;
and the ultimate release from human suffering and misery; whereas modern medicine,
religion, and culture, in general, is in a quick fix pill for everything from the opiate of
religions to keeping a suffering child alive to live as long as possible with pain.

Nature is both smarter and kinder than human beings overall; and Loving
Nature as God makes a lot more sense than loving a car or a gun;
or such as that. Thing is folks who are really in the FEELING
of existential intelligence and the REAL TRUTH AND
LIGHT of the human condition; explore it from
inside out; above so below; and all around;
never ever limiting themselves to either
a 'big black book' or science textbook
alone. Understanding GOD as Nature
is worshipping life all the time now;
total trust IN Nature, overall,
AS Naturally works as
Kind and Reasonable
over Capricious
and Mean.

I don't need any books
to be happy and see both
life and death as a blessing;
and seriously that is precisely
what all the complicated poetry
as well as realistic parables of
metaphor says about the
human condition;

Live the present
as heaven;
and one has
the only
present
that counts;
AKA LIVING
WITH GOD
NOW HAND
IN HAND NEVER
EVER SEPARATED
ALL THE LIVING NOW.

OTHER folks look forward to
clear golden floors; I for
one AM
NOW;
And I am
not afraid
TO FULLY
LIVE NOW;
never ever
worrying
about tomorrow
or even the next now.

And that these days;
is EXTREMELY RARE.
BEEN THERE DONE
THE OTHER PLACE;
ALL TOO WRONG.

The other place is living
life like death; and truly
anyone who does not
embrace now as the
best thing ever;
is in the wrong
place
NOW;
for
whatever reason;
and if they can
help it
or
NOT.

Satire is an exaggeration of reality

The medical profession is the coldest deadest
atmosphere of emotions that exist almost anywhere
on earth. It is how they get by in the darker side of life;
compartmentalizing their human being somewhere else.

Scrubs makes the coldest parts of life into a home of emotions.
That is satire dear; and the most important kind of satire for
humans who need emotions to get
by in life.

Some folks don't have them.
Some folks have no idea
they need them; but never
the less; shows like Scrubs
serve the human condition
well; story lines are words.
The human heart
lives with
laughter
and smiles;
as well as tears
and frowns.

A satire for emotions
in a cold dark place
is the best
place of
all for
folks
with
a
heart.

Not really. It is a form of social or political criticism. You can exaggerate reality without doing that. It is meant to make a serious point.

Also satire can be quite subtle.

Satire: noun

1. a. A poem or (in later use) a novel, film, or other work of art which uses humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize prevailing immorality or foolishness, esp. as a form of social or political commentary.

b. The genre of literature which consists of satires; satirical writing. Now also in extended use of other art forms.

c. A satirical utterance; a speech or saying which ridicules and criticizes a person, thing, or quality. Also as a mass noun: satirical speech.

2. a. The type of derisive humour or irony that is typical of a satire (cf. sense 1a); mocking wit; sarcasm, esp. as employed against something perceived as foolish or immoral.

b. A disposition to make satirical or sarcastic comments; a tendency to mock.

3. A thing or circumstance which exposes the faults or absurdities of something or someone; a mockery.

etc.

Not only could Scrubs said to be a satire, it also contains satire, Satires and characters who use satire. It's rather a versatile word. We'll stick to definition 1.a. in response to your post, however. Note the underlined qualifier "esp. as a form of social or political commentary". Despite this not being an actual requirement, I'd argue that Scrubs contains strong elements of social commentary and contains enough political criticism (usually against, but not limited to, the healthcare for profit mentality) to meet both optional criteria.

You could certainly criticise it on the grounds of it being shallow, simplistic and safe, but it remains satirical nonetheless.



Neither are they mutually exclusive.

If you don't think emotions are a serious
human point you may be missing a serious
portion of the experience of human being.

I never see any emotion in your words here;
but text is not always; but almost always
an indication of that in my personal life.

There is often a serious emotional poverty
among professions that require high levels
of analytical ability where mistakes cannot
be part of the mix. The medical profession
can be the coldest profession; as even
science now shows that the social
cognition of human being is
repressed when mechanical
cognition is used as well
as the converse as this
applies to the so-called
professional world;
and definitely
why the last
place a person with
emotional death wants to
go is to see a medical doctor
also known as a psychiatrist;
who can be the coldest of
all in emotional intelligence.

But anyway I have watched people on this Internet site
making jokes about the human emotional life and how
unimportant it is as compared to Standard IQ measures
of human intelligence; standard IQ is manufactured by
culture; whereas emotional intelligence is manufactured
by GOD AKA as Nature minus human produced and
aided cultural byproducts, including standard IQ;
when they say the Truth and Light will set ya free;
they ain't talking about standard IQ; they is
talking about emotional regulation
and sensory integration that
allows greater focus
and short term working
memory, per cognitive
executive functioning
that can only occur
with higher levels
of physical intelligence
to get to non-verbal ways
of human intelligence as
gifted by GOD AKA NATURE;
THE TRUTH IS LOSE IT OR
LOSE IT APPLIES WHEN
IT COMES to the human
heart, soul, and expressing
spirt, thereof; AND SHOWS
LIKE scrubs use satire to
exaggerate the muscle
of heart in human emotional
intelligence in an attempt
to save the human heart,
soul and expressing spirit
a real death in living life.

There is no art of satire greater
than that of satire of the human heArt.

I am doing my best to explain this to you;
but modern science sadly enough suggests
that it is impossible to explain it in words
or non-verbal symbolism to some folks.

I have hope that science is incorrect.

So I try a little harder knowing
that science is the problem
and not the
solution, by
ways of
systemizing mechanical
cognition as opposed
to empathizing social
cognition; the greaTest
Human Intelligence of
all responsible for
everything good
and bad in life.

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And yes, in line with what adifferent name is speaking of; Scrubs
most definitely meets the definition of Parody too.

I most often use Satire on the Wrong Planet
to help people; but it is a relatively
new tool for me; so I am still
practicing it to higher
levels of
effectiveness;
most of my life
folks referred to
my method of communication
as robotic, technical, and perfectionism
without error; problem with that is I am
not born as a computer; school and culture
is the bad medicine that makes me a
reformed human being now;
instead of a computer
more or
LESS,
THEN.

I don't really see the point you're making here. Are you saying that Scrubs is satrising emotions?

I think satire ceases to be satire when it is simply a straight criticism of an individual.

The fact that people may have emotional and relationship issues, doesn't automatically lend itself to satire (although not impossible to make satire of it).

You might satirise our emotional response to life, death how it relates to medical choices such as keeping a loved one artificially "alive", to satisfy our our need not to let go. Or simply how emotional conventions can lead to some pretty poor choices, that impact many people.



I think determining emotional intelligence from the internet, is fought. I would stop while you are ahead.

Examples of satire: Private Eye, The Onion, Yes Minister, In the Thick of It, 2012, W1, Armando Iannucci, Al Murry, Stuart Lee (also meta comedy).

Satire can be very subtle indeed, in fact that is my favourate kind. Especially if is well balanced.

Parody can make a component of satire, however where it is over explained it is not in the tradition I love.

If you take the broader definition certainly Alan Partridge falls under that definition, becuase it relates to a particular style of DJ/personalty of that industry, from an era but still remnant.

From a character perspective this much more arbitrary in Scrubs, these characters could be in any context. Even the janitor. With the possible exception of the chief of medicine Bob Kelso. That character is clearly satirical the other characters interactions with him complete this, but otherwise they are not particularly strong.

So as far is being satirical characters what are they really satirising other then the fictional characters themselves?

I don't think the point of the program as a whole was to satirise the health service/industry of US.

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True. I think sometimes the balance too far in the favour of parody than satire. Also the over explaining ruins it at least from the British tradition.

Even John Oliver who is a decent satirist, makes particular use of over emphasis of the point at the end. This is obviously used ironically, but he also knows that many simply wouldn't get it otherwise.

The Onion sort of gets it, it is OTT but they play it straight as far as the object of satire.

The conflict often is with punchline comedy. Satire isn't always compatible. A comedian like Stewart Lee uses meta comedy to satirise and deconstruct punchline comedy, whist also being satirical about other things.