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11 Jul 2015, 10:36 am

aghogday wrote:
If you don't think emotions are a serious
human point you may be missing a serious
portion of the experience of human being.


I don't really see the point you're making here. Are you saying that Scrubs is satrising emotions?

I think satire ceases to be satire when it is simply a straight criticism of an individual.

The fact that people may have emotional and relationship issues, doesn't automatically lend itself to satire (although not impossible to make satire of it).

You might satirise our emotional response to life, death how it relates to medical choices such as keeping a loved one artificially "alive", to satisfy our our need not to let go. Or simply how emotional conventions can lead to some pretty poor choices, that impact many people.

aghogday wrote:
I never see any emotion in your words here;
but text is not always; but almost always
an indication of that in my personal life.


I think determining emotional intelligence from the internet, is fought. I would stop while you are ahead. :lol:

Examples of satire: Private Eye, The Onion, Yes Minister, In the Thick of It, 2012, W1, Armando Iannucci, Al Murry, Stuart Lee (also meta comedy).

Satire can be very subtle indeed, in fact that is my favourate kind. Especially if is well balanced.

Parody can make a component of satire, however where it is over explained it is not in the tradition I love.



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11 Jul 2015, 10:56 am

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You could certainly criticise it on the grounds of it being shallow, simplistic and safe, but it remains satirical nonetheless.


If you take the broader definition certainly Alan Partridge falls under that definition, becuase it relates to a particular style of DJ/personalty of that industry, from an era but still remnant.

From a character perspective this much more arbitrary in Scrubs, these characters could be in any context. Even the janitor. With the possible exception of the chief of medicine Bob Kelso. That character is clearly satirical the other characters interactions with him complete this, but otherwise they are not particularly strong.

So as far is being satirical characters what are they really satirising other then the fictional characters themselves?

I don't think the point of the program as a whole was to satirise the health service/industry of US.



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11 Jul 2015, 11:13 am

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Neither are they mutually exclusive.


True. I think sometimes the balance too far in the favour of parody than satire. Also the over explaining ruins it at least from the British tradition.

Even John Oliver who is a decent satirist, makes particular use of over emphasis of the point at the end. This is obviously used ironically, but he also knows that many simply wouldn't get it otherwise.

The Onion sort of gets it, it is OTT but they play it straight as far as the object of satire.

The conflict often is with punchline comedy. Satire isn't always compatible. A comedian like Stewart Lee uses meta comedy to satirise and deconstruct punchline comedy, whist also being satirical about other things.



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11 Jul 2015, 11:28 am

0_equals_true wrote:
aghogday wrote:
If you don't think emotions are a serious
human point you may be missing a serious
portion of the experience of human being.


I don't really see the point you're making here. Are you saying that Scrubs is satrising emotions?

I think satire ceases to be satire when it is simply a straight criticism of an individual.

The fact that people may have emotional and relationship issues, doesn't automatically lend itself to satire (although not impossible to make satire of it).

You might satirise our emotional response to life, death how it relates to medical choices such as keeping a loved one artificially "alive", to satisfy our our need not to let go. Or simply how emotional conventions can lead to some pretty poor choices, that impact many people.

aghogday wrote:
I never see any emotion in your words here;
but text is not always; but almost always
an indication of that in my personal life.


I think determining emotional intelligence from the internet, is fought. I would stop while you are ahead. :lol:

Examples of satire: Private Eye, The Onion, Yes Minister, In the Thick of It, 2012, W1, Armando Iannucci, Al Murry, Stuart Lee (also meta comedy).

Satire can be very subtle indeed, in fact that is my favourate kind. Especially if is well balanced.

Parody can make a component of satire, however where it is over explained it is not in the tradition I love.


Oh Lord. Physical comedy on Scrubs, is overall, the satire, dear.

Non-verbal communication is anywhere from
60 to 90 percent of human communication.

And frigging all of it is emotional.

One does NOT even need words to do comic-strip satire or
on Scrubs. But truly as science shows some folks
can neither appreciate it or cognitively process
it for both innate and environmental reasons.

And this is in large part why humans
do not read science abstracts
as human emotion is
almost entirely
what drives
human
focus.

And science abstracts
as well as the language around
here can most definitely be totally
devoid
of it.

I am dam sure not
here for
fun;

Smiles
or Scrubs.


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11 Jul 2015, 11:57 am

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Oh Lord. Physical comedy on Scrubs, is overall, the satire, dear.

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Talking in "vague" doesn't mean you have made a good point, but thanks for patronising me, Darling. For someone who doesn't appear to grasp satire that well you are quite good at it. The joke must be on me.



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11 Jul 2015, 12:26 pm

In my previous comment I clearly stated satire of the human heart is the greatest satire.

What part of that heArt did you NOT understand meant emotion.

That is why I said Oh Lord in response to your question of whether or not I was suggesting emotion Is the Satire.

Human emotion is the gold of non- verbal communication as potential Joy.

Use it or lose it applies.

And that is why they over use it on scrubs as satire.

Real scrubs act like robots; shutting down emotional non-verbal communication, and that represses both social cognition and Joy; as a necessary poison of the occupation.


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11 Jul 2015, 12:52 pm

aghogday wrote:
Real scrubs act like robots; shutting down emotional non-verbal communication, and that represses both social cognition and Joy; as a necessary poison of the occupation.


I take your point there, there is certainly scope for satire on the clinical approach of suppressing emotions to do the job.

However for some people it works, however not the majority. Most need some emotional outlet our they could have a breakdown.

If you watch real documentaries of clinicians at work, they often make the point that they not robots, and they real people with flaws an feelings. Also they are patients too. Like a GP with an eating disorder who could no longer take being in denial about her own hypocrisy in getting people to eat healthily, she decided to ask for help herself.

It is a balance though. Emotions are very influential, so when making an assessment they have be careful not to disrupt the assessment.



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11 Jul 2015, 1:10 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Real scrubs act like robots; shutting down emotional non-verbal communication, and that represses both social cognition and Joy; as a necessary poison of the occupation.


I take your point there, there is certainly scope for satire on the clinical approach of suppressing emotions to do the job.

However for some people it works, however not the majority. Most need some emotional outlet our they could have a breakdown.

If you watch real documentaries of clinicians at work, they often make the point that they not robots, and they real people with flaws an feelings. Also they are patients too. Like a GP with an eating disorder who could no longer take being in denial about her own hypocrisy in getting people to eat healthily, she decided to ask for help herself.

It is a balance though. Emotions are very influential, so when making an assessment they have be careful not to disrupt the assessment.


Repressing human emotions is truly the reason most folks end up at the Doctors office.

I learned that lesson almost by dying.

Finding non-verbal ways to fully express emotions is medicine that truly cures the root of stress related illness.

I would never say Oh Lord in the past but now I am totally happy.

Dance for me is truly the best medicine of all.

I like you and encourage you to do the same..:)


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