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19 Sep 2019, 3:10 am

After reading of your experiences, I could (as we say in NZ) "spit tacks". Invalidation of AS women by medical practitioners seems to be not just common but standard.

Thank you for raising the issue of how to introduce a health problem at the start of a consultation. I have experimented a lot with this.

Describing (or writing down) my symptoms didn't work with NT doctors. They seemed to think that if I mentioned them, that ruled them out as an issue. This kind of invalidation is harmful, arrogant and unfortunately insidious.

Asking if they thought I had a specific illness didn't work for me either. Ditto above.

So with NT doctors I tend to start with something open and general like "I'd like to know what this ... means and would appreciate your opinion". With my AS doctor I go into detail. With NT doctors, they want to be the ones giving the detail, they want to be "the expert" and for you to not contribute any knowledge or expertise, in my experience, which they seem to interpret as insulting.

.. Time for a lighter note...

There is a long queue waiting outside the Pearly Gates for an entrance interview. People wait for hours. Suddenly, from the back of the queue a man in a white coat pushes his way up the line and shoves himself to the front, walking past St Peter into Heaven. "Hey!! !!" the waiting crowd shout in protest - "Doctors may be important down there, but they're not that important. Make that guy come back and wait for his turn too!" St Peter answers them: "Oh that's was just God; he likes to play doctor...".



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19 Sep 2019, 8:49 am

I wonder if it helps to have a woman doctor? Mine retired after being a patient of a woman doctor for thirty years so I found another woman doctor for my PCP. I told her I do a lot of gardening and she gave me a tetanus shot after checking that my last shot was ten years ago.



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19 Sep 2019, 2:21 pm

Not in my experience, generally. In both male and female populations of doctors, there were a few of each who were not invalidating nor dismissive. And that few would be less than 1%.

Some of the "bad" women doctors were the worst. They are trained in the same patriarchal system which has built in gender and other prejudice as the men, and -in my experience- some show a tendency to particularly oppress women patients, which is sad; they perhaps see themselves as having joined a "boys club" and strive to show themselves as fully paid up members. There are exceptions, but they are rare and very hard to find.

The best doctor I have ever seen was young/Asian/Aspergers and user friendly. He took me seriously in all consultations, listened, was not invalidating, and succeeded in diagnosis where others had seriously failed (including a very serious condition that should have been obvious to the 3 doctors who missed the diagnosis in the days beforehand, which included a woman. The three NT failures either didn't listen or they didn't believe me).

So I think the idea of women doctors being safer is unfounded. It's about IMO the way NTs misunderstand, misread and are dismissive of AS people.



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21 Sep 2019, 8:44 am

^ Not in my experience, either. There was a really good male GP at our surgery who was particularly supportive of mental health issues, and the female doctor I've seen most recently has been excellent (it probably helps that she has a psychiatric background). However, the doctor I filed a complaint against was female, and (although not related to autism), my mum had a female GP say some really dismissive things to her prior to her hysterectomy that more or less amounted to 'if you wanted to be better, you would be'.

A slight tangent but I do think it's unfortunately quite common for women to be dismissive or holier-than-thou when it comes to other women's medical problems. I overhear conversations like this quite a lot in the locker room at work. For example, one lady had a cold and said she was frightened to sneeze as she has bladder control issues after having 3 kids. The lady she was talking to just said 'I've had 6 and I've never had any problems', as if to suggest that it's the other lady's own fault. I just thought that was really mean, I hear stuff like that all the time.

Overall I think it comes down to finding a 'good' doctor of either gender, all that matters is that they're competent and compassionate, regardless of who they're talking to. Easier said than done though, clearly.



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24 Sep 2019, 3:20 am

Self-Care for Autistic Women Self-care is an integral part of reducing stress and anxiety, preventing burn-out, and improving physical health. However, the sensory, social, physical, and emotional needs of autistic women are frequently ignored in most discussions of self-care.

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Self-care is incredibly important to being able to deal with everyday stressors, prevent burn-out, and generally improve an individual’s quality of life. It can boost self-esteem, improve physical health, and increase productivity. However, many articles discuss self-care through a rather ableist lens, leaving a large portion of people who could benefit from a self-care practice, at best in the dark, and at worst shut out and ignored.

Ableism is the discrimination against people with physical, intellectual, or psychiatric impairments. For differently-abled people even the best-intentioned self-care strategies seem out of reach and disregards that individual’s unique set of needs and struggles. This nagging sense of feeling left out, inadequate, and like they are ‘not quite right’ is all too familiar for autistic women.

Although most people experience varying amounts of anxiety throughout their lives, for many autistic women, their lives are built on anxiety. From a young age, girls with autism ‘pass’ as neurotypical by observing and mimicking social behaviors in a strategy known as ‘camouflaging.’ Autistic women are able to give the illusion of eye contact by looking at the spot between a person’s eyes. They script social interactions, maintain rigid control of their speech, and practice a regular conversation with the same vigor and determination as a neurotypical person preparing for a massive presentation. Jennifer O’Toole, author of Autism in Heels, describes camouflaging as “impersonating someone else’s world. And it’s a full-time job… If we don’t camouflage well, we tend to find ourselves ridiculed, shamed, ostracized, or abused.” The constant stress of having to micromanage every social interaction leaves autistic women exhausted and chronically stressed.

If this weren’t enough, autistic women are under-diagnosed and most of them receive their diagnosis much later in life. Without a diagnosis, they don’t know why they can’t handle the neighborhood pool, struggle to adapt to a change in routine or plan, or don’t easily intuit the complex, unwritten code of social interactions. Their struggles with emotional regulation, problem-solving, compulsions, and impulsivity — in combination with a lack of resources and support — makes these women more vulnerable to substance abuse, cutting, unsafe sex practices, self-harm, and abusive, toxic, or manipulative relationships. If they do ask for help or react outwardly, they are frequently dismissed and instead are labeled ‘too sensitive,’ ‘too needy,’ and ‘too much.’ So instead, autistic women internalize their intense feelings, acting in rather than acting out, and become perfectionists, believing that if they do everything right, they will be accepted.

“what looks like coldness to the outside world is, in fact, a response to being overwhelmed by emotion… a tidal wave of compassion that breaks our hearts”
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Contrary to the pervasive belief that autistic people lack empathy or cannot recognize emotions, they are actually often overwhelmed by empathy and emotion. O’Toole writes, “What looks like coldness to the outside world is, in fact, a response to being overwhelmed by emotion… a tidal wave of compassion that breaks our hearts.” All of this empathy and feeling, combined with their difficulty in understanding manipulative or vindictive behaviors, puts them at a far greater risk for emotional and physical abuse. According to one study, 9 out of 14 women with autism had been sexually abused. The additional combination of high amounts of affective empathy, perfectionism, and a lack of support and emotional regulation, puts autistic women at a much higher risk for developing eating disorders. In fact, one study found that 23% of anorexia nervosa patients had autism spectrum disorder.

It is clear that the needs of women with autism are going unmet. So where does that leave self-care? Sensory challenges, a lack of accommodations, and processing difficulties commonly experienced in women with autism leave almost no room or energy for self-care. However, adequate self-care can give them the resources they need to help them deal with sensory issues, improve their resiliency, and integrate self-compassion into their lives. The second part of this series will offer some tools and ideas for self-care for autistic women.


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24 Sep 2019, 5:15 am

Thanks for that piece. It articulates the struggles very well, and I was particularly struck by the comment near the end about perfectionism - I think a lot of AS women try so hard to be "perfect" to gain acceptance that the struggle exhausts their coping systems and energy, yet they feel that - in a world that stigmatises and invalidates them - that there is no other alternative. No wonder so many AS women live in a constant state of anxiety.



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24 Sep 2019, 8:11 am

Hey, Jennifer O' Toole wrote that!

Lots of women here are dismissive of her because the title of her book is "Autism in Heels."



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25 Sep 2019, 9:27 pm

A doctor? What has 6-7 yrs schooling of general practice if specialized 2 more in specialty ? But i have been in this body for more years now , than most have been alive . Have walked out of specialists offices merely because of their affiliation with a society that does not support the diagnosis , i have and double checked and been successfully treated for . Am not as good as i would like and you almost never know till your in the hands of these peeps . But i do try to research the doctors affiliations and credentials , even lawsuites against them if i can . Have seen great doctors put out of business and regular doctors kill people needlessly . Due to inattention . Its just sad , worked in med field three years with many co-morbidities of my own. And now am hardly ever willing to put my life in anothers hands unless , i know them well. People should be given a manuel in grade school on care and maitenence of human body . All docs must pass empathy 101 with high marks before allowed in public. Just my humble opinion .


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26 Sep 2019, 12:12 am

I agree: you know your body and its functions/malfunctions better than anyone else, including doctors. If a doctor can't listen well, won't listen well, get out of there. It won't get better with time. You will get worse.

The few good doctors I have known had all this quality, they showed exemplary listening skills from the start.

A very famous surgeon once told medical students that if they listened well enough and long enough, the patient would tell them what the problem was, then they wouldn't have to work it out for themselves. That was a long time ago.



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28 Sep 2019, 4:03 am

I had same doctor for a long time and she know me and how to get me speak but she is leaving. I don't know another doctor have start all over again I'm going to my mothers doctor next time.



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28 Sep 2019, 4:15 am

I so understand. This has just happened to me too, my usual GP has left to do research instead. However..

I do have a secondary GP whom I see occasionally, I found him a few years ago and like and trust him, and he's my "insurance" so that I don't have to start the search for someone compatible all over again from scratch at short notice.

Still have to find a replacement for the one lost to research though, and will check out the new doctor taking her place as a starting point.

Having the two gives me confidence that there will always be someone compatible there if needed. They can be hard to find, and its a jolt when you lose one. Hope your mother's doctor will be a helpful and validating type.



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16 Oct 2019, 1:37 am

Autistic moms can face judgment while struggling with their own diagnosis and advocating for their children. - New York Times
Jen Malia is associate professor of English at Norfolk State University and the author of the forthcoming children’s picture book “Too Sticky! Sensory Issues With Autism.”


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“You convinced yourself that you and our daughter have autism,” my husband yelled. “You did all this research and told the doctor what he needed to hear to diagnose you!”

“No, it wasn’t like that,” I said. “You know about all the testing we went through.”

“I can’t believe you brought her into this,” he said. “You’re like those mothers who make up medical problems about their kids. Why can’t you just let her be a kid?”

“She’s still the same girl she was before she got diagnosed,” I said, tears dripping down my face. “And I’m still the same woman you married, too.”

I knew then that if I couldn’t persuade my husband of five years to accept my daughter’s autism and my own, it would ruin our marriage and tear our family apart. Autism wasn’t just a medical diagnosis; it was part of our identities. To reject our autism was to reject us.

Doctors originally told me my daughter had just a language delay. But I knew this couldn’t explain the intensity of her emotional meltdowns. It took me hundreds of hours of medical research to understand that her difficulty socializing, repetitive routines, sensory issues and obsessive interests pointed to autism. I eventually realized that not only was she autistic — I was, too. A clinical psychologist diagnosed me and my daughter with autism spectrum disorder on the same day; she was 2 and I was 39.

“Do you think there’s something wrong with everyone in our family?” my husband asked a year later, when our then 2-year-old son was also diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. As an autistic mother, I wasn’t surprised to learn that I had another child on the spectrum. A 2014 study found that parents of autistic children are more likely to have elevated levels of autistic traits, whether or not these traits are enough to qualify for a clinical diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.

But how was I supposed to parent our autistic children if my husband didn’t even think they were autistic — and doubted my diagnosis too? It is not unusual for family members and others who know autistic women to have trouble accepting their autism diagnosis.

“Doctors, teachers and most people have a male stereotype of autism in mind; when they think of autism, they think of ‘Rain Man,’ not of a woman or girl,” said Dr. Francesca Happé, Ph.D., a professor of cognitive neuroscience at King’s College London. “For women who are married with children, this goes against several stereotypes people may hold about autism: male, single, few close relationships, no children.”

The diagnostic criteria and assessment tools were developed primarily based on how autism presents in males, which means women can often be overlooked for an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis, depriving them of “an understanding of themselves as different, not damaged,” said Dr. Lauren Kenworthy, Ph.D., a professor of neurology, pediatrics and psychiatry at the George Washington University School of Medicine and the director of the Center for Autism Spectrum Disorders at Children’s National Hospital.

Sunyi Dean of Leeds, England, a mother of a 4-year-old nonverbal autistic son and a 7-year-old daughter who is on the waiting list for autism spectrum disorder diagnostic testing with the National Health Service, said that she worried about how her son will “relate to other people if he doesn’t learn verbal communication, but at the moment he is happy in himself and settled into his special school.”

With her home-schooled daughter, Dean said she was mostly ignored by professionals and other parents when she first raised concerns about autism, and now that she’s being taken more seriously, the process has been “very difficult and slow.”

As an autistic mother who was diagnosed after her son was, the biggest challenge for Dean has been finding time for self-care. “I always thought I wouldn’t mind the demands of parenthood because I’m not hugely social and don’t need to go out much,” Dean said. “But … I still need a lot of personal space, a lot of downtime to recover on my own, and that’s difficult to get with kids around.”

By the time I was diagnosed with autism, I was so overwhelmed by the responsibilities of working full time as an English professor while parenting three young children (a 1-year-old son and 2- and 3-year-old daughters) that I could barely keep it together.

The year before my diagnosis, the stress of being an undiagnosed autistic mother nearly cost me my life. I spent two weeks in and out of the E.R. complaining of stroke-like symptoms while battling uncontrollable crying fits brought on by my desperate attempts to get medical treatment. “You need to learn to manage your pain. The E.R. is only for patients who actually have emergencies,” a nurse said while handing me my discharge papers.

Though I didn’t know it at the time, my crying fits at home and in the hospital were autistic meltdowns. I would find out many months later that what I had experienced was a cycle of sporadic hemiplegic migraines, which can lead to a coma or, in rare cases, even death. I often wonder if I would have been treated differently by medical staff if I had had an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis then, or if I still would have been dismissed as an anxious woman who didn’t know how to manage her pain.

Research also suggests that undiagnosed autism has been harmful for women. In a 2016 study of 14 women, “many told us that the fact that their autism went unrecognized for so long had a very real and negative impact upon their mental health,” said Dr. William Mandy, D.Clin.Psy., Ph.D., an associate professor in clinical psychology at University College London. “A lack of a diagnosis means a lack of appropriately targeted support, which can place an autistic individual under huge stress.”

The published research on the experiences of autistic mothers is very limited. Two small qualitative studies in 2016 and 2017 consider pregnancy, childbirth and the postpartum period. The interviews of autistic mothers in these studies reveal challenges they had with sensory issues during breastfeeding and childbirth, and adapting to motherhood and infant care. Many said they felt unfairly judged by midwives and other caregivers on parenting skills and decisions.

Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen, Ph.D., a professor of developmental psychopathology and the director of the Autism Research Center at the University of Cambridge, and his colleagues have multiple studies underway to investigate the experience of autistic motherhood beyond the perinatal period. Presented at the 2016 International Meeting for Autism Research, their unpublished research involved an online survey of more than 300 autistic mothers. The study found the majority of them had extreme anxiety when talking to professionals about their children, encountered disbelief when they disclosed their diagnosis to professionals and struggled with daily parenting tasks.

“It should now be a routine requirement for autism researchers to collaborate with autistic people in every project,” Dr. Baron-Cohen said. “Without the input of autistic mothers, we would have missed key issues” — such as the fact that autistic mothers have increased rates of postnatal depression and have been falsely accused of Munchausen syndrome by proxy on the assumption that they were making up their children’s autism. He hopes this research will lead to more awareness of autistic motherhood experiences and the development of policy documents to improve the “woefully inadequate” services available for autistic mothers.

“Many autistic women are highly attuned to their children,” said Lana Grant, author of “From Here to Maternity: Pregnancy and Motherhood on the Autism Spectrum,” a book aimed at helping autistic mothers with the challenges of pregnancy and motherhood. “They may see their child struggling with the same things that they struggled with as a child. They read up on everything they can about a behavior or condition and then they go to the professionals for help.” Instead, they are seen as “too knowledgeable and hysterical,” Grant said, and dismissed as trying to tell professionals how to do their job.

She was already the mother of five of her six children (three of whom are on the autism spectrum) when she got her autism diagnosis at 38. “Autistic mothers are their own worst critics,” Grant said. She recommends that autistic mothers find a support network of other mothers on the spectrum, including those who are “out and proud” on social media, like her.

A few years after my diagnosis, my husband came to accept my own and our children’s autism. I stopped lecturing him, realizing that he would eventually understand our differences on his own terms. He started going to therapy appointments with our children. Then last year, at our kids’ Taekwondo class, I told the father of another child that we are autistic. “I know,” he said. “Your husband told me last time he was here.”

My husband now respects my parenting decisions, knowing that I can help our children by drawing on my own experiences living with autism. He is the supportive husband whom I married and a loving father who accepts our kids’ differences.

While the limitations of my autism sometimes make it difficult for me to handle the demands of parenting three young kids, I am now more willing to seek help from support groups and therapists. Learning to understand and accept my own and my kids’ autism was the best thing that ever happened to me because it empowered me to be a better mom.


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13 Nov 2019, 2:52 pm

From where did male medical bias originate which lead to the widespread medical mistreatment and invalidation of women patients face today?

Some answers here:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... cal-trials



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This is so accurate. The longer I have been sick the more of my "mental illness" has been recognized by doctors as a rational reaction to pain and physical disease. The article actually mentions my condition! Behcets Syndrome! Which is probably the first time I've ever seen it listed there. Diagnosis of a mental illness is a very serious action and needs to be treated accordingly. Mental illness is your mind reacting disproportionately to events or circumstances. If you circumstances warrent a reaction, even if that reaction is extreme, it is not mental illness. For example we don't consider grief a mental illness. We don't consider anxiety on the battlefield a mental illness. (PTSD yes, but being anxious when going into battle is normal) Clinicians spend all day exposed to medical tradgedies so they are desensitized to things that rightfully distress patients. They can be prone to saying things such as "you're lucky you don't have ____" or "this is actually a mild case of ____" because they are thinking from their own perspective and not that of the patient. Mental labels such as this simply add weight to the clinicians inherent bias against patient credibility. Yes, patients will say things that are medically wrong, but they are still the closest source of information on how a disease is affecting someone. Without that information successful treatment is near impossible. Particularly for diseases with low visibility on the standard suite of tests or scans. Because of the stigma against mental illness in medicine I do not recieve the mental support I need. However, I know my health outcomes would be worse if I did because it would negatively affect the treatment I do have for my physical symptoms which can be more effectively treated by current medicine than my mental ones. Plus my mental symptoms are caused by being ill so if I only recieved treatment for that I would never get better.