Define "Nice Guy" and define "Alpha Male" please. Really.

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02 Jun 2015, 8:09 am

^ lol no...

An alpha man looks like this:
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Why all the female fandom over this movie you think?



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02 Jun 2015, 8:32 am

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Ogi Ogas, author of A Billion Wicked Thoughts, explains the dual nature of the female’s fantasies:

The majority of women have submission fantasies. From classic romance The Flame and The Flower to classic erotica The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty to Twilight BDSM fan fiction (SW: e.g., 50 Shades), submission themes are immensely popular in cross-cultural female erotica. The fact of the matter is that most heterosexual women are wired to find sexual submission arousing–and so are most female mammals.

For the vast majority of romance readers, the hero should be a strong, confident, swaggering alpha. “I think this is one of the problems we’re having in romance in general right now: our heroes have gotten a little too PC. We’re portraying men the way feminist ideals say they should be – respectful and consensus-building,” muses erotic romance author Angela Knight.

Women just don’t want a nice guy – they want an alpha who learns to be nice to her. Women are designed to look for clues that there is a sweet interior worth getting at. Kindness and understanding are most attractive with the tough shell of alpha-hood.

Men are aroused by being dominant and by submissive women, women are aroused by being submissive and by dominant men. In the bedroom, inequality beats equality. Negotiating sexual politics has always been difficult, but paradoxically the laudable and necessary victories of gender equality activism might make it even more challenging. We’re all figuring out how to live in the first society in human history where women have such power, independence, and clout. But just as democracy has no effect on our basic taste preferences for sugar and fat, democracy doesn’t affect our basic sexual preferences for domination and submission.



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02 Jun 2015, 10:07 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Men are aroused by being dominant and by submissive women, women are aroused by being submissive and by dominant men. In the bedroom, inequality beats equality. Negotiating sexual politics has always been difficult, but paradoxically the laudable and necessary victories of gender equality activism might make it even more challenging. We’re all figuring out how to live in the first society in human history where women have such power, independence, and clout. But just as democracy has no effect on our basic taste preferences for sugar and fat, democracy doesn’t affect our basic sexual preferences for domination and submission.


And the real problem is this isn't 100% true. Ok, the part about women only being aroused by dominant men may very well. That is certainly the norm, and if there are exceptions to it, I've certainly never encountered any. Like you said before, women are kind all clones of one another when it comes to the type of men they find sexually attractive.

But I can tell you that there are a lot of men out there who have absolutely no interest in being "dominant". Whether it's because they don't like the responsibility or just because they're not very good at it (and usually it's both), the fact is that a lot of men out there would actually much preffer to take a passive, submissive role in the relationship. But again, like you said, that's not really an option for them because most women simply WILL NOT enter into a relationship with a submissive man.



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02 Jun 2015, 10:33 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
An alpha man looks like this:
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the best part is, that dude likes other dudes. hahahahahahahaha. ALPHA!



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02 Jun 2015, 2:58 pm

justanothersara wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
An alpha man looks like this:
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the best part is, that dude likes other dudes. hahahahahahahaha. ALPHA!


It's not uncommon for women to prefer gay pornstars, they are alphas in their eyes still.



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11 Jun 2015, 4:59 am

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Short answers:

Nice Guy - A man or boy who behaves with deference toward women and girls.

Alpha Male - A man or boy who seeks primacy over females and other males.

Longer answers:

A nice guy is non-aggressive, non-assertive, and generally uninteresting, but who can be relied upon for a compliment or to run an errand, and who rarely, if ever, initiates romance or inspires romantic feelings in the women and girls he admires. While he may be considered 'cute' by women, he is usually "friend-zoned" by these same women for lack of any sexual or emotional appeal.

An alpha male is an arrogant jerk who exploits others' insecurities to bolster his own self-esteem, and who often resorts to intimidation and deprecation to assert a dominant social role among others. He is often physically attractive, and enhances his attractiveness with material wealth, athletic prowess, physical abuse, or any combination thereof.

I didn't read the rest of the thread just yet, but it's 5:54am and I'm bored listening to retrowave. Anyway, you're implying that a man can not be assertive and nice. Have you ever seen James Bond? He's smooth, calm, and polite. You can be nice and be assertive. A "nice guy", doesn't mean a passive guy. I used to have the mindset, that a lot of women like jerks, that's not the case. Usually it's the women with low self esteem, that think they desire jerks, that stay with them. Also, if you meet a woman and you're "too nice" for her, you don't want to be with her trust me. I've learned this lesson first hand. So, aspire to be more like Bond...just without the whole spy thing.



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11 Jun 2015, 5:40 am

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Jason Statham is "alpha". I know a lot of you are going to say, that women are more into the cuter less rugged men. That is the case for some, but I guarantee you there is a lot of women that like Statham. It also comes down to how he carries himself. I chose the photo of him in a suit, because he's dressed like a gentleman. Gentleman being a keyword here. Women like gentlemen. You should be both nice and assertive. There needs to be a balance. There is nothing wrong with listening to a woman's problems and being friends with her, just don't put your life on hold to do it. I hope that makes sense.



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12 Jun 2015, 3:04 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I'll answer this when I am not out singing karaoke with a meet up. This caught my attention. However, I would like to throw another term in there for anyone if it is ok with you Olive Oil Mom:

White Knight (my opinion is that they are worse than nice guys).


why are people who defend women bad?


The white knight definition as I have seen it described (and witnessed among some) are that they will be quick to defend women, but seem to believe they are owed something for it later. They are more likely to think of themselves as "God's gift to women"



That's why male feminists are not much liked by feminists.

Feminists even suspect the guys who call themselves egalitarian.


I have this white knight male feminist troll named Glac Husky stalking me on youtube.



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12 Jun 2015, 3:09 am

I see a "white knight" as somebody with kind of a savior complex. The kind of guy who is attracted to girls who have tons of problems and try to fix them all for them. Deep seated problems there, no doubt. But I don't see the guy's who stick up for random strange women to be "white knights" unless they try and pursue a relationship with the girl they defended. That might work in real life, and always works in movies but it also probably comes across kind of creepy.


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12 Jun 2015, 7:46 am

I bet the Lone Ranger would be ideal for ladies. He helps 'em, then splits without wanting them to know his name.

"Who was that masked man?"



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12 Jun 2015, 11:14 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
I see a "white knight" as somebody with kind of a savior complex. The kind of guy who is attracted to girls who have tons of problems and try to fix them all for them. Deep seated problems there, no doubt. But I don't see the guy's who stick up for random strange women to be "white knights" unless they try and pursue a relationship with the girl they defended. That might work in real life, and always works in movies but it also probably comes across kind of creepy.


When people mention "white knights" nowadays, they mostly refer to the latter type of men rather than the former. Most so-called "white knights" are just a different of "nice guys"; they're traditionally unattractive males who can't attract women with their physique so they try to make up for it for by showing them love, dedication and appreciation. In other words, they try to make up for their lack of """skill""" with their enthusiasm and eagerness to please. It doesn't work. :roll:



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12 Jun 2015, 11:33 am

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Define feminist.


You'd wish you never wrote that. :mrgreen:

A (toxic) feminist is a once-was Alpha girl in her 40s that no longer can act like a spoiled teen because guys no longer find her attractive. She is now hoping that feminism can force guys to like once-was Alphas that missed their opportunity when they had it because they acted like spoiled kids. However, her whining will do no good as guys generally don't like her type. It won't help to shout misogynist either. :wink:


What - you mean how Germaine Greer and Harriet HArman were owned by a Page 3 model on Channel 4 News? Greer and HArman were doing the slutshaming...



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12 Jun 2015, 11:36 am

Agemaki wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
aspiemike wrote:
sly279 wrote:
aspiemike wrote:
I'll answer this when I am not out singing karaoke with a meet up. This caught my attention. However, I would like to throw another term in there for anyone if it is ok with you Olive Oil Mom:

White Knight (my opinion is that they are worse than nice guys).


why are people who defend women bad?


The white knight definition as I have seen it described (and witnessed among some) are that they will be quick to defend women, but seem to believe they are owed something for it later. They are more likely to think of themselves as "God's gift to women"



That's why male feminists are not much liked by feminists.

Feminists even suspect the guys who call themselves egalitarian.



i'm a female feminist happily married to a male feminist.


Me too.

Also some people do not understand that feminists are not a cohesive group. If you do a bit of research into the types of feminism you will see that the idea of all feminists holding a particular view is absurd as they disagree vehemently in many ways.



1Gets EXTREMELY confusing from the outside when they have only one interface to the Lobbying/Government/Activism/PR side. We hear the loudest....

Who also tend to be the most strident/batshit insane/toxic...



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12 Jun 2015, 3:46 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
I see a "white knight" as somebody with kind of a savior complex. The kind of guy who is attracted to girls who have tons of problems and try to fix them all for them. Deep seated problems there, no doubt. But I don't see the guy's who stick up for random strange women to be "white knights" unless they try and pursue a relationship with the girl they defended. That might work in real life, and always works in movies but it also probably comes across kind of creepy.



been called white knight and seen others called it solely for defending women. be them friends or strangers. on the places I've been its deemed ok to call women sluts, whores, and talk about f*****g them even though you hardly know them. anyone that goes against this is called a white knight.

really starting to think defending or helping people is wrong and not worth it. better to keep walking if you see some woman getting raped. fyi in the random studies they performed most people do just keep walking. society is goign down hill. people won't help each other anymore and those who do get hated on.



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12 Jun 2015, 4:23 pm

Don't give up on saving people because of "society."

Be yourself.