Define "Nice Guy" and define "Alpha Male" please. Really.

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24 May 2015, 11:59 pm

Blanket-terms of surface-logic connation. The stereo-types do hold some truth in the manner used but seem to be to be more like euphemisms. Pop-culture catch-phrases as these may as well be pulled out of Urban-Dictionary.

I also think that these terms are mostly used by male-virgins who mis-understand context in language and are somehow indocrinated with the idea that "women say that they want nice guys" whilst simultaneously trying to "do favours" for said women that they have an interest in screwing with absolute no clue as to how to actually seduce a lady, and they make the mistake of thinking that doing a "perceived favour" automatically makes the "recipient" obligated to return said favour (this is where the guy himself thinks himself to be a "nice guy" when in reality the "expectation" for "sexual-payment" makes him out to be more of a "creepy guy" instead in the perceptions of those he was attempting to woo).

Alpha-Male is a term that these virgins will come across in their desperate attempts to try & learn how to "get laid" and will often read publications from questionable authors who use said term of Alpha-Male & claim to sell material on secrets to seduction & speed-seduction & getting laid when they themselves (the authors) probably don't have a clue as to how to actually get a woman into bed. They sucker these poor "nice guys" (euphemism: creepy guys) into acting all dumb-ass & saying stupid things, and thus, causing these virgins to continue to ruin potential girl-friends or fuck-buddies or relationships through the "be an ass-hole to her" logic (the actual reason why that happens having more to do with "karmic" reasons than because of it being a turn-on), and they end up remaining as desperate virgins.

Ultimately, a real man knows how to make his own decisions, and the timid "non-alpha" man isn't really even a man, more like some little boy who still has to go about looking for so-called "experts" to tell him how to fix or solve problems, kind of like a boy who needs the girl to do his homework for him, rather than a man who already knows how to do all of his office-work but has the lady helping him with the work due to the amount of s**t that needs to get done, whilst the "nice/non-alpha" one doesn't have a clue how to even do s**t in life worth any sense of importance.


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25 May 2015, 1:49 am

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25 May 2015, 1:56 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
I also think that these terms are mostly used by male-virgins who mis-understand context in language and are somehow indocrinated with the idea that "women say that they want nice guys" whilst simultaneously trying to "do favours" for said women that they have an interest in screwing with absolute no clue as to how to actually seduce a lady, and they make the mistake of thinking that doing a "perceived favour" automatically makes the "recipient" obligated to return said favour (this is where the guy himself thinks himself to be a "nice guy" when in reality the "expectation" for "sexual-payment" makes him out to be more of a "creepy guy" instead in the perceptions of those he was attempting to woo).


That's a pretty awful description of the issue. First, it is true (hint: research on the issue) that women want different qualities in one-night-stands and long term relationships, and it is typically in the latter context they want the nice guys, and in the former they can accept jerks (provided they seduce them in the NT correct way). Then, of course, this is all NT stuff, so has little relevance for people that don't want to hang out with NTs.

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Ultimately, a real man knows how to make his own decisions, and the timid "non-alpha" man isn't really even a man, more like some little boy who still has to go about looking for so-called "experts" to tell him how to fix or solve problems, kind of like a boy who needs the girl to do his homework for him, rather than a man who already knows how to do all of his office-work but has the lady helping him with the work due to the amount of s**t that needs to get done, whilst the "nice/non-alpha" one doesn't have a clue how to even do s**t in life worth any sense of importance.


Yeah, and any sensible shy guy will not care about your opinions or the PUA experts, rather will go looking for a neurodiverse/shy girls that doesn't work in any of the ways you describe. :mrgreen:



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25 May 2015, 5:21 am

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Blanket-terms of surface-logic connation. The stereo-types do hold some truth in the manner used but seem to be to be more like euphemisms. Pop-culture catch-phrases as these may as well be pulled out of Urban-Dictionary.

I also think that these terms are mostly used by male-virgins who mis-understand context in language and are somehow indocrinated with the idea that "women say that they want nice guys" whilst simultaneously trying to "do favours" for said women that they have an interest in screwing with absolute no clue as to how to actually seduce a lady, and they make the mistake of thinking that doing a "perceived favour" automatically makes the "recipient" obligated to return said favour (this is where the guy himself thinks himself to be a "nice guy" when in reality the "expectation" for "sexual-payment" makes him out to be more of a "creepy guy" instead in the perceptions of those he was attempting to woo).

Alpha-Male is a term that these virgins will come across in their desperate attempts to try & learn how to "get laid" and will often read publications from questionable authors who use said term of Alpha-Male & claim to sell material on secrets to seduction & speed-seduction & getting laid when they themselves (the authors) probably don't have a clue as to how to actually get a woman into bed. They sucker these poor "nice guys" (euphemism: creepy guys) into acting all dumb-ass & saying stupid things, and thus, causing these virgins to continue to ruin potential girl-friends or fuck-buddies or relationships through the "be an ass-hole to her" logic (the actual reason why that happens having more to do with "karmic" reasons than because of it being a turn-on), and they end up remaining as desperate virgins.

Ultimately, a real man knows how to make his own decisions, and the timid "non-alpha" man isn't really even a man, more like some little boy who still has to go about looking for so-called "experts" to tell him how to fix or solve problems, kind of like a boy who needs the girl to do his homework for him, rather than a man who already knows how to do all of his office-work but has the lady helping him with the work due to the amount of s**t that needs to get done, whilst the "nice/non-alpha" one doesn't have a clue how to even do s**t in life worth any sense of importance.


You've been spending a lot of time on Return of Kings, haven't you? :roll:



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25 May 2015, 6:24 am

Nice Guy: Male Human.

Alpha Male: Hot Male Vampire (or sexy human form of a Werewolf)



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25 May 2015, 1:40 pm

Nice Guy: Not a pornstar.

Alpha man: A pornstar : viewtopic.php?t=286702



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25 May 2015, 5:26 pm

Chronos wrote:
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aspiemike wrote:
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I'll answer this when I am not out singing karaoke with a meet up. This caught my attention. However, I would like to throw another term in there for anyone if it is ok with you Olive Oil Mom:

White Knight (my opinion is that they are worse than nice guys).


why are people who defend women bad?


The white knight definition as I have seen it described (and witnessed among some) are that they will be quick to defend women, but seem to believe they are owed something for it later. They are more likely to think of themselves as "God's gift to women"



That's why male feminists are not much liked by feminists.

Feminists even suspect the guys who call themselves egalitarian.


Define feminist.


A person who supports feminism, duh.

Do you think I am a retard who doesn't know what it means?



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25 May 2015, 5:34 pm

a feminist believes that men and women are equal and deserve to be treated equally. no more. no less.



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25 May 2015, 6:02 pm

cathylynn wrote:
a feminist believes that men and women are equal and deserve to be treated equally. no more. no less.
Just like Communists are those who believe that all people are equal, regardless of ethnicity, political connection, or religious affiliation.

:roll: Some are just "more equal" than others ...



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25 May 2015, 6:26 pm

A "nice guy" is a guy who thinks that having achieved the bare minimum level of being a decent human being entitles him to intimate access to womyn.


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25 May 2015, 7:25 pm

Yeah, it's silly to expect anyone to like you simply for being a good person.



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25 May 2015, 7:35 pm

It's one thing to be liked for being a "Good Person" - this is the basis for being "Friend Zoned", after all - it's quite another to engage in sexual intimacy solely on the basis of being nice.



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25 May 2015, 8:23 pm

starkid wrote:
A "nice guy" is a guy who thinks that having achieved the bare minimum level of being a decent human being entitles him to intimate access to womyn.


A ridiculous assumption, of course. So many men out there who don't even meet that basic criteria and yet are spoiled for choice when it comes to sexual partners.



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25 May 2015, 8:36 pm

Gauldoth wrote:
starkid wrote:
A "nice guy" is a guy who thinks that having achieved the bare minimum level of being a decent human being entitles him to intimate access to womyn.


A ridiculous assumption, of course. So many men out there who don't even meet that basic criteria and yet are spoiled for choice when it comes to sexual partners.


It's a definition, not an assumption. Notice the quotation marks around the phrase being defined?


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26 May 2015, 1:29 am

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It's one thing to be liked for being a "Good Person" - this is the basis for being "Friend Zoned", after all - it's quite another to engage in sexual intimacy solely on the basis of being nice.

So a nice guy is a person who expects to be loved by someone simply for being a decent human being and it's horrible. Right?