Social Justice Warriors and Autism

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Because racism, sexism etc are socially unacceptable, describing someone as racist, sexist etc will be viewed as insulting or shaming even if the label is 100% accurate to describe that person based on the views they espouse. I guess concern for the feelings of those who express bigotry is more important than challenging those views or the feelings of those they're targeting. Yes, definitely some support for various reactionary movements is driven by people who are tired of being 'shamed' and 'insulted' - but whether or not those feelings are legitimate is another question. One who doesn't wish to feel shame shouldn't engage in behaviour that rightfully brings shame upon them.

I find it ironic that the people who insist on bitching about political correctness are often the most aggressive at attempting to enforce their own notions of political correctness - the only difference being what they define as correct. They'll get very offended if you describe their attempts to limit discussion and framing as political correctness, but they do ultimately engage in the same behaviour they condemn. I believe the word for such behaviour is hypocrisy.

Public shaming is a mild form of social recrimination, and a valuable one. Much preferable to a public hanging or lynch mob, so get over it. Language is a weapon. Strategic use of language can change the world. You don't like being politically correct? OK, then you get a presidential candidate saying that a judge can't do his job because his ancestors might have been Mexican. When next? Hispanic police officers can't do their job? What about Hispanic soldiers or firemen? Or Latino immigration control officers?

Of course people are going to take it personally if you call them names. While there is institutional privilige and ism's there is individual versions of these things also. And these insititutions are made up of individuals. If you are not part of the problem you should not be guilt tripped for it.

But if one is and merely refuses to recognize it they deserve to be identified as such, even if it hurts their tender feels. One who doesn't wish to be labelled in a certain way shouldn't behave in a way consistent with that label otherwise the label is applicable.

Can We Take A Joke? (coming soon):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgKCKPls5no

@darmok - this film looks like an excellent timely reminder, thanks for the link

That might mean said individual is uninformed, it might mean said individiual is racist or actually privilaged, it might mean the individual just does not agree with whatever agenda the Social Justice Warrior is pushing or maybe the individual Social Justice Warrior ought to check thier arrogance. Some SJW's mocking others feelings, really?

No doubt, everyone has blind spots and one shouldn't start from the assumption that malice is the motive behind someone's actions. That said, if an attempt to correct the behaviour was made and no change in behaviour resulted the next time around it's much more reasonable to assume the behaviour is intentional and that it should be confronted as such.

If the agenda one disagrees with is treating people with dignity, that's not a fault with said agenda, that's a fault within the person denying others basic dignity. And yes, bullies who intentionally offend others but get butthurt when they're called out for it are fair game for being mocked. If one can't 'take it' they shouldn't insist on 'giving it'.

I tend to part ways with the SJ crowd over a number of issues, most conspicuously their contempt for free speech. I feel like they don't think they need to persuade, they'll just use force, whether that's judicial/administrative force in the form of college government or "hate speech" laws were they exist, financial force in the form of boycotts, or more perniciously for me, pressuring employers of political opponents to fire them, or social force, usually the dreaded twitter mob in this case. I have nothing but contempt for those who would silence an opposing argument rather than defeating it with a superior one, and the number one promoter of that style of coercion these days is the social justice movement.

Then there's the racial and gender segregation they promote through their byzantine system of "allyship" and safe spaces, the constant catastrophism, the misuse of academic language in the form of thought termination cliches, and so on and so forth. Growing up, this was the kind of stuff I associated with the Christian Right, it's been a rude realization that it's the young progressive left I should have been worrying about the whole time.

I notice you put the word "allyship" in quotation marks, do you have any specific issues with the concept of allyship you can clarify?

The whole segregating people by race, gender, sexual identity, etc thing? This is another big issue I have with social justice, there's a whole plethora of 'it's different when we do it' rationalizations for behaviors generally condemned in other contexts. 'Only white people can be racist' type arguments are one of the better examples of this.

As a hardcore lefty on the political spectrum, i say f**k political correctness and SJW's.

Careful, if you try to sound any more edgy you might cut yourself.

(And I say that as someone who would typically be placed on the far-left and who's critical of excessive political correctness/the euphemism treadmill and occasionally critical of the SJW mindset, especially when it appears to be denying or doubting others agency in the guise of defending them.)

I didn't know sjws were getting involved in the autism rights movement.

Whew! It's good to know I can stop worrying about getting raped and sexually harassed! All those little girls who were being married off to men 3 times their age and getting their vulva sliced off and their vaginas sewn shut must be relieved as well.

Attempting to persuade is life, the problem comes with tactics. While the agenda is radically different the bullying then mocking the people they bullied for hurt feelings is no different from what part of the Trump phenomenon is about, no different at all. And it is completly hypocritical coming from people demanding safe spaces. And as Dox alluded to the last thing minorities should be doing is restricting free speech.

This is about more then hurt feelings, this stuff is having real world consequences. Some things are actually offensive and these things need to be minimized, safe spaces and trigger warnings are legitimate concepts in relation to trauma/PTSD. But the Boy Who Cried Wolf effect is happening. If legitimate helpful terms are used too often they become meaningless and objects of scorn. America is all but paralyzed politically. There are a lot reasons for this, people bieng guilt tripped for the group they are born into and publicy shamed into conformity instead of reasonably persuaded is part of the explination.

Yep we have derailed another thread, quilty as as charged

Here is the blog written by the OP describing what he believes are autistic SJW's
The cruelty of strangers