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25 Jun 2015, 9:15 pm

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Does this include veterinarians, too? That's the only doctor on my payroll. He's definaty a conservative and I seriously doubt he buys into global warming.


I have to say that i think it's odd that "global warming" / "climate change" continue to be a political issue.

You may be skeptical of causes. You may be skeptical of long term projections. But if you've lived more than 20 years or so you should be able to observe that "normal" has been changing.

For example, as illustrated by XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

People freaking out because there were a few cold days in St. Louis? There used to be a lot more cold days in St. Louis.

Whether you believe dire long term projections or not, all of the ways we can scientifically look into prehistory and guess at weather patterns suggest that stasis isn't a thing on the geological time scale.

I could see arguing that we are in a "normal" swing of the pendulum and eventually it will swing the other way, but arguing that it's not happening?

I'm sorry, the denial is starting to look silly.



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26 Jun 2015, 9:32 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Does this include veterinarians, too? That's the only doctor on my payroll. He's definaty a conservative and I seriously doubt he buys into global warming.


I have to say that i think it's odd that "global warming" / "climate change" continue to be a political issue.

You may be skeptical of causes. You may be skeptical of long term projections. But if you've lived more than 20 years or so you should be able to observe that "normal" has been changing.

For example, as illustrated by XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

People freaking out because there were a few cold days in St. Louis? There used to be a lot more cold days in St. Louis.

Whether you believe dire long term projections or not, all of the ways we can scientifically look into prehistory and guess at weather patterns suggest that stasis isn't a thing on the geological time scale.

I could see arguing that we are in a "normal" swing of the pendulum and eventually it will swing the other way, but arguing that it's not happening?

I'm sorry, the denial is starting to look silly.


I haven't been on this earth long enough to have a sample size relevant enough to make that statement, 24 years is a pretty insignificant amount of time and so it an entire lifetime really considering the Earth is billion of years old. There have been warm years and cold ones, long winters and shorter ones, its hasn't steadily changed, it just seems like weather. Like I said, most AGW proponents aren't particular educated on the subject and have this habit of crying whenever uses weather to disprove their theory but then turns around trying to claim whatever random weather event that fits their narrative was caused by AGW and will increase. You can't have it both ways, either its relevant or its not. Didn't some dodo try to claim a couple years ago that the earthquakes that happened were the result of global warming? :lol: There is so much confirmation bias in AGW that its hard to believe anything, you can try to remove the political implications from it but you have to understand that is why it receives so much attention.



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26 Jun 2015, 11:04 am

Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Does this include veterinarians, too? That's the only doctor on my payroll. He's definaty a conservative and I seriously doubt he buys into global warming.


I have to say that i think it's odd that "global warming" / "climate change" continue to be a political issue.

You may be skeptical of causes. You may be skeptical of long term projections. But if you've lived more than 20 years or so you should be able to observe that "normal" has been changing.

For example, as illustrated by XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

People freaking out because there were a few cold days in St. Louis? There used to be a lot more cold days in St. Louis.

Whether you believe dire long term projections or not, all of the ways we can scientifically look into prehistory and guess at weather patterns suggest that stasis isn't a thing on the geological time scale.

I could see arguing that we are in a "normal" swing of the pendulum and eventually it will swing the other way, but arguing that it's not happening?

I'm sorry, the denial is starting to look silly.


I haven't been on this earth long enough to have a sample size relevant enough to make that statement, 24 years is a pretty insignificant amount of time and so it an entire lifetime really considering the Earth is billion of years old. There have been warm years and cold ones, long winters and shorter ones, its hasn't steadily changed, it just seems like weather. Like I said, most AGW proponents aren't particular educated on the subject and have this habit of crying whenever uses weather to disprove their theory but then turns around trying to claim whatever random weather event that fits their narrative was caused by AGW and will increase. You can't have it both ways, either its relevant or its not. Didn't some dodo try to claim a couple years ago that the earthquakes that happened were the result of global warming? :lol: There is so much confirmation bias in AGW that its hard to believe anything, you can try to remove the political implications from it but you have to understand that is why it receives so much attention.
97% of all climate scientists agree that it's already happening[nasa.gov]

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it's no longer a question of whether it's occuring or not, the question now is how high the temperature will go.



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26 Jun 2015, 11:14 am

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97% of all climate scientists agree that it's already happening


So you're saying that there isn't consensus. 8)



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26 Jun 2015, 11:29 am

Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Does this include veterinarians, too? That's the only doctor on my payroll. He's definaty a conservative and I seriously doubt he buys into global warming.


I have to say that i think it's odd that "global warming" / "climate change" continue to be a political issue.

You may be skeptical of causes. You may be skeptical of long term projections. But if you've lived more than 20 years or so you should be able to observe that "normal" has been changing.

For example, as illustrated by XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

People freaking out because there were a few cold days in St. Louis? There used to be a lot more cold days in St. Louis.

Whether you believe dire long term projections or not, all of the ways we can scientifically look into prehistory and guess at weather patterns suggest that stasis isn't a thing on the geological time scale.

I could see arguing that we are in a "normal" swing of the pendulum and eventually it will swing the other way, but arguing that it's not happening?

I'm sorry, the denial is starting to look silly.


I haven't been on this earth long enough to have a sample size relevant enough to make that statement, 24 years is a pretty insignificant amount of time and so it an entire lifetime really considering the Earth is billion of years old. There have been warm years and cold ones, long winters and shorter ones, its hasn't steadily changed, it just seems like weather. Like I said, most AGW proponents aren't particular educated on the subject and have this habit of crying whenever uses weather to disprove their theory but then turns around trying to claim whatever random weather event that fits their narrative was caused by AGW and will increase. You can't have it both ways, either its relevant or its not. Didn't some dodo try to claim a couple years ago that the earthquakes that happened were the result of global warming? :lol: There is so much confirmation bias in AGW that its hard to believe anything, you can try to remove the political implications from it but you have to understand that is why it receives so much attention.
97% of all climate scientists agree that it's already happening[nasa.gov]

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it's no longer a question of whether it's occuring or not, the question now is how high the temperature will go.


120 years is an insignificant amount of years, you could shrink it to the last 15 and there hasn't been any warming. Expand the graph and you'll see that there have been numerous warming and cooling periods throughout Earth's history, we're leaving a cool period right now. Now where were all those emissions coming from a 100 million years ago? Also forgive me for not trusting climate models, they're a simulation of something that could never be replicated and these guys can't even get tomorrow's weather right now so I am to believe they were keeping accurate measurements of global temperatures a 100+ years ago? What is called "climate science" now is a made up subject, there entire point of it is to study the AGW theory so obviously they believe it. C



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26 Jun 2015, 11:34 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Does this include veterinarians, too? That's the only doctor on my payroll. He's definaty a conservative and I seriously doubt he buys into global warming.


I have to say that i think it's odd that "global warming" / "climate change" continue to be a political issue.

You may be skeptical of causes. You may be skeptical of long term projections. But if you've lived more than 20 years or so you should be able to observe that "normal" has been changing.

For example, as illustrated by XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1321/

People freaking out because there were a few cold days in St. Louis? There used to be a lot more cold days in St. Louis.

Whether you believe dire long term projections or not, all of the ways we can scientifically look into prehistory and guess at weather patterns suggest that stasis isn't a thing on the geological time scale.

I could see arguing that we are in a "normal" swing of the pendulum and eventually it will swing the other way, but arguing that it's not happening?

I'm sorry, the denial is starting to look silly.


I haven't been on this earth long enough to have a sample size relevant enough to make that statement, 24 years is a pretty insignificant amount of time and so it an entire lifetime really considering the Earth is billion of years old. There have been warm years and cold ones, long winters and shorter ones, its hasn't steadily changed, it just seems like weather. Like I said, most AGW proponents aren't particular educated on the subject and have this habit of crying whenever uses weather to disprove their theory but then turns around trying to claim whatever random weather event that fits their narrative was caused by AGW and will increase. You can't have it both ways, either its relevant or its not. Didn't some dodo try to claim a couple years ago that the earthquakes that happened were the result of global warming? :lol: There is so much confirmation bias in AGW that its hard to believe anything, you can try to remove the political implications from it but you have to understand that is why it receives so much attention.
97% of all climate scientists agree that it's already happening[nasa.gov]

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it's no longer a question of whether it's occuring or not, the question now is how high the temperature will go.


120 years is an insignificant amount of years, you could shrink it to the last 15 and there hasn't been any warming.
there would be, see that bit at the end?
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Expand the graph and you'll see that there have been numerous warming and cooling periods throughout Earth's history, we're leaving a cool period right now.
not really, the last cooling period ended in the 70s[nasa.gov]
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Now where were all those emissions coming from a 100 million years ago?
probably left over from the formation of the earth, which is why dinosaurs were so big
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Also forgive me for not trusting climate models, they're a simulation of something that could never be replicated and these guys can't even get tomorrow's weather right now so I am to believe they were keeping accurate measurements of global temperatures a 100+ years ago?
ok then, where's your source for your claims?
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What is called "climate science" now is a made up subject, there entire point of it is to study the AGW theory so obviously they believe it. C
you're conflating climate science with your tv weatherman, and science isn't a question of belief.



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26 Jun 2015, 12:58 pm

I don't really see how global warming specifically effects medical treatment...however I would not be opposed to doctors being encouraged to explain health risks caused by environmental problems, if some of those are related to global warming so be it........but I'd think things like gross chemicals humans put into the air, destroying vast eco-systems, fracking and things that more directly cause health problems. Global warming more causes environmental changes to the weather/geology and crap not sickness.


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26 Jun 2015, 1:32 pm

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I don't really see how global warming specifically effects medical treatment...however I would not be opposed to doctors being encouraged to explain health risks caused by environmental problems, if some of those are related to global warming so be it........but I'd think things like gross chemicals humans put into the air, destroying vast eco-systems, fracking and things that more directly cause health problems. Global warming more causes environmental changes to the weather/geology and crap not sickness.


We went over this. Pollen counts appear to be increasing in pace with global warming.

Every one of the last 20 years or so has been the worst year in recorded history for pollen allergies.



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27 Jun 2015, 10:12 am

Knock on wood but I'm glad I don't have any allergies or asthma, pollen has no effect on me as far as I know. My parents actually live like right across the street from a giant melon field which is a ragweed and it doesn't ever really get cold. So yeah, I don't support a carbon tax.



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27 Jun 2015, 10:30 am

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Knock on wood but I'm glad I don't have any allergies or asthma, pollen has no effect on me as far as I know. My parents actually live like right across the street from a giant melon field which is a ragweed and it doesn't ever really get cold. So yeah, I don't support a carbon tax.

Until magnolia trees start growing in Utah, I have no allergies. I learned years ago, living in California, that I am allergic to magnolias. Even then, it wasn't too aggravated.


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27 Jun 2015, 12:44 pm

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Keep politics out of the doctor's office

If you can prove there's some connection between a physical symptom and "global warming", then cool.

Can you imagine what the physicians are thinking? "I spent eight years in medical school, one year internship and three years in residence so I could be some elected official's personal nudge?!?" :lol:
good point, how dare those students of science promote sound science.


the one thing that irks me most about the right is their anti-intellectual stance on issues.
Were it not for that, i'd probably be rightleaning


No, the right and left just practice intellectuality on different issues.
Coming from the left, I take being called an anti-intellectual, a philistine, a thug, or a churl as a compliment so by all means keep it coming. :D


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27 Jun 2015, 12:59 pm

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Keep politics out of the doctor's office

If you can prove there's some connection between a physical symptom and "global warming", then cool.

Can you imagine what the physicians are thinking? "I spent eight years in medical school, one year internship and three years in residence so I could be some elected official's personal nudge?!?" :lol:
good point, how dare those students of science promote sound science.


the one thing that irks me most about the right is their anti-intellectual stance on issues.
Were it not for that, i'd probably be rightleaning


No, the right and left just practice intellectuality on different issues.
Coming from the left, I take being called an anti-intellectual, a philistine, a thug, or a churl as a compliment so by all means keep it coming. :D
this kind of contrarian stance is why America has been declining.



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27 Jun 2015, 1:14 pm

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Keep politics out of the doctor's office

If you can prove there's some connection between a physical symptom and "global warming", then cool.

Can you imagine what the physicians are thinking? "I spent eight years in medical school, one year internship and three years in residence so I could be some elected official's personal nudge?!?" :lol:
good point, how dare those students of science promote sound science.

the one thing that irks me most about the right is their anti-intellectual stance on issues.
Were it not for that, i'd probably be rightleaning

No, the right and left just practice intellectuality on different issues.
Coming from the left, I take being called an anti-intellectual, a philistine, a thug, or a churl as a compliment so by all means keep it coming. :D
this kind of contrarian stance is why America has been declining.

I don't believe it is contrarian. It is ambivalence of an illogical tactic. I have written at WrongPlanet.net that I don't care when people call me racist. It doesn't stick.


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27 Jun 2015, 1:23 pm

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Keep politics out of the doctor's office

If you can prove there's some connection between a physical symptom and "global warming", then cool.

Can you imagine what the physicians are thinking? "I spent eight years in medical school, one year internship and three years in residence so I could be some elected official's personal nudge?!?" :lol:
good point, how dare those students of science promote sound science.


the one thing that irks me most about the right is their anti-intellectual stance on issues.
Were it not for that, i'd probably be rightleaning


No, the right and left just practice intellectuality on different issues.
Coming from the left, I take being called an anti-intellectual, a philistine, a thug, or a churl as a compliment so by all means keep it coming. :D
this kind of contrarian stance is why America has been declining.


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We live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky.
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27 Jun 2015, 1:59 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Keep politics out of the doctor's office

If you can prove there's some connection between a physical symptom and "global warming", then cool.

Can you imagine what the physicians are thinking? "I spent eight years in medical school, one year internship and three years in residence so I could be some elected official's personal nudge?!?" :lol:
good point, how dare those students of science promote sound science.

the one thing that irks me most about the right is their anti-intellectual stance on issues.
Were it not for that, i'd probably be rightleaning

No, the right and left just practice intellectuality on different issues.
Coming from the left, I take being called an anti-intellectual, a philistine, a thug, or a churl as a compliment so by all means keep it coming. :D
this kind of contrarian stance is why America has been declining.

I don't believe it is contrarian. It is ambivalence of an illogical tactic. I have written at WrongPlanet.net that I don't care when people call me racist. It doesn't stick.


So tell me in your own words what makes a neighborhood "honest"?