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The idea that citizens can defend themselves often gets mocked by statists but if some rice farmers and goat herders give the best of our military which is the strongest in the history of the world so much trouble then armed resistance by Americans citizens would be a piece of cake if that is what it came down to. Look at the revolutions of the last couple years, most of these place these people didn't have anything other rocks and Moltovs to throw at their occupiers. The government gets overthrown once the soldiers see that they are fighting against their own people. They take an oath to protect our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, not to Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. Just the threat would work.
Indeed! Don't like the Second Amendment, repeal or amend it. Until then, it is the supreme law on the matter in the United States.
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The idea that citizens can defend themselves gets mocked by statists but if some rice farmers and goat herders give the best of military so much trouble then armed resistance by Americans citizens would be a peace of cake. Look at the revolutions of the last couple years, most of these place these people didn't have anything other rocks and Moltovs to throw at their occupiers. The government gets overthrown once the soldiers see that they are fighting against their own people. They take an oath to protect our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, not to Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.
Jacoby
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The idea that citizens can defend themselves gets mocked by statists but if some rice farmers and goat herders give the best of military so much trouble then armed resistance by Americans citizens would be a peace of cake. Look at the revolutions of the last couple years, most of these place these people didn't have anything other rocks and Moltovs to throw at their occupiers. The government gets overthrown once the soldiers see that they are fighting against their own people. They take an oath to protect our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, not to Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.
Do you really want to do this old song and dance?
A well regulated militia is one, not a requirement or restriction put on citizens but rather it restricts our government on our right to establish well regulated militia. Two, a well regulated in modern terms means well equipped and trained meaning our government couldn't say they were not allowed to do that. The militia was made up of individuals who were called to arms when needed, it wasn't "regulated" by the government in the modern sense in any way. Our right as a citizen to bear arms guarantees this right.
An apples to oranges comparison.
Well, it's not like I didn't see it coming....
Give up?
Please.
Go back and look at all the gun control threads we've had here over the years and find just one valid point any one of you has made. You lost before you even started in this thread.
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Do you really want to do this old song and dance?
A well regulated militia is one, not a requirement or restriction put on citizens but rather it restricts our government on our right to establish well regulated militia. Two, a well regulated in modern terms means well equipped and trained meaning our government couldn't say they were not allowed to do that. The militia was made up of individuals who were called to arms when needed, it wasn't "regulated" by the government in the modern sense in any way. Our right as a citizen to bear arms guarantees this right.
An apples to oranges comparison.
Well, it's not like I didn't see it coming....
Give up?
Please.
Go back and look at all the gun control threads we've had here over the years and find just one valid point any one of you has made. You lost before you even started in this thread.
Jacoby
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Do you really want to do this old song and dance?
A well regulated militia is one, not a requirement or restriction put on citizens but rather it restricts our government on our right to establish well regulated militia. Two, a well regulated in modern terms means well equipped and trained meaning our government couldn't say they were not allowed to do that. The militia was made up of individuals who were called to arms when needed, it wasn't "regulated" by the government in the modern sense in any way. Our right as a citizen to bear arms guarantees this right.
Our right to bear arms individually is necessary for our ability to form militi, militia is made of individuals called to arms by their fellow citizens to defend their homes and families. The point is that the 2nd amendment exists to be able to overthrow a tyrannical government, it's not for sport or for hunting or for collecting. The "you don't need that" argument falls on its face right there.
(yes I know this is a strawman before you point that out)
The idea that citizens can defend themselves gets mocked by statists but if some rice farmers and goat herders give the best of military so much trouble then armed resistance by Americans citizens would be a peace of cake. Look at the revolutions of the last couple years, most of these place these people didn't have anything other rocks and Moltovs to throw at their occupiers. The government gets overthrown once the soldiers see that they are fighting against their own people. They take an oath to protect our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, not to Citigroup and Goldman Sachs.
The U.S. Supreme Court determined in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), that "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" (emphasis mine).
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Jacoby
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(yes I know this is a strawman before you point that out)
You have inflated view of civilization if you think that, the Germans were at the forefront of culture and science and we all know the evil that befell that country. It can happen anywhere, look at the birthplace of western civilization right now if you don't believe that. Post 9/11 I can't believe anybody would say that.
parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The
former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather
announces a purpose. The Amendment could be rephrased,
“Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
parts: its prefatory clause and its operative clause. The
former does not limit the latter grammatically, but rather
announces a purpose. The Amendment could be rephrased,
“Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to
the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”
We also need to understand what the phrase "well regulated Militiia" meant in its original and contemporaneous context. Wikipedia.org does a fair job in citing Court descriptions ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... militia.22 ).
For example:
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
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(yes I know this is a strawman before you point that out)
You have inflated view of civilization if you think that, the Germans were at the forefront of culture and science and we all know the evil that befell that country. It can happen anywhere, look at the birthplace of western civilization right now if you don't believe that. Post 9/11 I can't believe anybody would say that.
Jacoby
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(yes I know this is a strawman before you point that out)
You have inflated view of civilization if you think that, the Germans were at the forefront of culture and science and we all know the evil that befell that country. It can happen anywhere, look at the birthplace of western civilization right now if you don't believe that. Post 9/11 I can't believe anybody would say that.
What pre-WW2 information are you looking for?
As for your question, that was kind of the point I was making about the overwhelming force of the US military and law enforcement apparatus not making a difference. Americans could overthrow the entire US government without firing a shot if we rose up together, it is the credible threat that matters.
We also need to understand what the phrase "well regulated Militiia" meant in its original and contemporaneous context. Wikipedia.org does a fair job in citing Court descriptions ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Am ... militia.22 ).
For example:
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
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