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06 Aug 2015, 4:55 pm

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:
zealotry is not exclusive to atheists and how is a lack of belief indicative of a cult?
how would you know what "God's word" is unless you speak aramaic? it's been translated half a dozen times and been corrected a bunch as well.



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06 Aug 2015, 5:48 pm

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:


Such messages are meant for those who are not blinded by faith. Kindly get over yourself. If alternative viewpoints are enough to shake the foundation of your belief, I suggest you stick to religious channels and leave thinking to the rest of us.



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06 Aug 2015, 6:04 pm

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Now, for at least a number of Christians (and indeed for at least some adherents of a number of other religions, although there are important distinctions in terms of doctrines, view of conversion, historical practices, etc.) the situation would be rather different. If one believes sincerely in Jesus as Lord (to follow the Christian example) and in a number of other doctrines concerning the nature humans and of God, and of the predicament of the World under the oppressive bondage to sin, then quite apart from the natural excitement of wishing to tell others about both a friend, mentor, and Saviour, and indeed any subject of interest, there would be the sincere conviction of the benefits for any convert amongst one's hearers of hearing about Jesus, both in terms of changes in this life, and of hope beyond death (sorry if any of this is offensive to any or makes them uncomfortable, I have striven on the one hand to be logical and analytical, and on the other to not conceal or distort, as well as to make an attempt to explain something). While not all religions have a history of expansion beyond their place of origin (in earthly terms; this may not be the best point to get bogged down in a discussion of the ultimate origin in terms of the internal beliefs of various religious systems) nor do all have a specific theological reason why they should seek to share knowledge of their beliefs or expand the numbers affiliated with their particular religion. Sorry if that is all getting rather vague and difficult to understand.

A big part of the problem is that 'Jesus', their 'friend', is an imaginary figure who is a 'God' and who supposedly told his followers to 'share the good news'. This is a powerful inducement to proselytize their belief system to others at the drop of a hat. That is also made worse by their (often) certainty that they are right and everybody else is doomed to a fiery 'Hell'.

Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:

I have never tried to convert anyone to atheism. I wouldn't even talk about it if religious people would stop continually trying to put into the force of law the practices they believe in. Think pro-life, anti-science, etc. If that stopped, most of the rest of it would stop. When you religious minded people start minding your own business and live and let live, you won't get the backlash. When you provoke others, expect it right back at you...



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06 Aug 2015, 6:06 pm

If you want to argue against atheism and science, you should go here...
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum



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06 Aug 2015, 10:54 pm

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I have never tried to convert anyone to atheism. I wouldn't even talk about it if religious people would stop continually trying to put into the force of law the practices they believe in. Think pro-life, anti-science, etc. If that stopped, most of the rest of it would stop. When you religious minded people start minding your own business and live and let live, you won't get the backlash. When you provoke others, expect it right back at you...


Well, that's not so much a stance against religion or faith itself as it is against the state of religious fundamentalism, which I think any sound-minded person would be against. As a Christian on the radical left, myself, my church(es) and interdenominational groups are as adamantly opposed against the same militant evangelism, nationalism and political and social conservatism which is not only poisonous to our country and its people but in direct opposition to Christian morality. Every coin has two sides; a belief or lack thereof in a higher power should not separate a good person from a good person both focused on achieving the same goals.



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07 Aug 2015, 12:54 am

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Bigotry is FINE...as long its not against us!


Well, isn't that the important life lesson we usually fail to learn as kids, when our peers do? The most effective way to avoid being bullied is by giving victims a wide berth at best, or by actively supporting the bullying they undergo. It's important to mark the distinction between those who must be respected and those meant to be bullied. The latter are always at fault. As the saying goes, be mean to them---if you don't know why, they do. If they didn't deserve it, God, in His infinite wisdom, would have given them the strength to stand up for themselves.


Oh so you're part of the problem when it comes to human cruelty and things like bullying....perhaps its things like that which interfere with your ability to get a girlfriend...at least I think you're one of the ones who complains about that a lot.


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07 Aug 2015, 2:54 am

I don't see a problem with anyone being an atheist or religious, as long as they are not using it to harm anyone.

I'm Catholic myself yet could careless what religion people are, as long as they are good, kind individuals who do not harm others and aren't judgmental. I get along better with agnostics and atheists for some reason though, that's just from my personal experience.



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07 Aug 2015, 4:30 am

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A couple of years ago I went on this site and I saw a poll about religion. Apparently about 50 percent of us are atheists. Does this mean that 50 percent of autistics are atheists? I don't think so.


Probably already been said...
Statistically speaking, you can't assume 50% of "us" are atheists...
Only that "50%" of the people who responded to the poll selected "atheist"...

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We must remember that most people are religious. We are going to face more persecution if people think all autistics are atheists.


We are all at the mercy of idiots who simply don't ask...
"If you assume...you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me"..."
An oldie but a goodie... :mrgreen:

There is a solid basis to the assumption ;) that there is a tendency for aspies to be atheists:
*Aspies tend to be more intellectual/cognitive than emotional/intuitive...
*Religion is an emotion based philosophy which actively discourages reasoning/analysis (simply have faith in what you are being told, for example).
Hence, there is a greater tendency for rational/reasoning/logical aspies to be atheists...
Simples...

Also, I have come across an article which suggests aspies tend to embrace atheism because they/we lack "theory of mind"...


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07 Aug 2015, 10:20 pm

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I don't see a problem with anyone being an atheist or religious, as long as they are not using it to harm anyone.

I'm Catholic myself yet could careless what religion people are, as long as they are good, kind individuals who do not harm others and aren't judgmental. I get along better with agnostics and atheists for some reason though, that's just from my personal experience.


You could care less? That means you do care, even if just a little, so that statement contradicts the overall message you are trying to impart here, which is one of acceptance.

I know, it's just a typo, but these things really stand out when I come across them, and the urge to correct such mistakes is often difficult to resist.



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08 Aug 2015, 8:52 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Bigotry is FINE...as long its not against us!


Well, isn't that the important life lesson we usually fail to learn as kids, when our peers do? The most effective way to avoid being bullied is by giving victims a wide berth at best, or by actively supporting the bullying they undergo. It's important to mark the distinction between those who must be respected and those meant to be bullied. The latter are always at fault. As the saying goes, be mean to them---if you don't know why, they do. If they didn't deserve it, God, in His infinite wisdom, would have given them the strength to stand up for themselves.


Oh so you're part of the problem when it comes to human cruelty and things like bullying....perhaps its things like that which interfere with your ability to get a girlfriend...at least I think you're one of the ones who complains about that a lot.


First off, I technically agree I'm part of the problem, but only because I think the problem is one's inability to defend oneself competently. Bullies will be bullies; it's in their nature and you can't choose what they do; only what you do. So it's my weakness what makes me guilty and deserving of being bullied.

Secondly, I've never seen bullies having trouble finding girlfriends. The only thing that disqualifies you is being bullied yourself, not bullying others. I'm not being sarcastic when I claim it makes more sense for the girl just to reject you right away than to wait for some successful, well-built and handsome bully to remind you to stay away from her by beating the crap out of you.

Thirdly, I like discussing these topics, because there's a lot I could learn, but I'm not complaining about my fate; I fully deserve it or worse.


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08 Aug 2015, 9:07 am

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I don't see a problem with anyone being an atheist or religious, as long as they are not using it to harm anyone.

I'm Catholic myself yet could careless what religion people are, as long as they are good, kind individuals who do not harm others and aren't judgmental. I get along better with agnostics and atheists for some reason though, that's just from my personal experience.


You could care less? That means you do care, even if just a little, so that statement contradicts the overall message you are trying to impart here, which is one of acceptance.

I know, it's just a typo, but these things really stand out when I come across them, and the urge to correct such mistakes is often difficult to resist.

I'm pretty good at saying nothing, but the misuse of that term bothers me as well...



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08 Aug 2015, 11:13 am

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:
zealotry is not exclusive to atheists and how is a lack of belief indicative of a cult?
how would you know what "God's word" is unless you speak aramaic? it's been translated half a dozen times and been corrected a bunch as well.

By getting an accurate translation. And actually, the Bible was never written in Aramaic. And as far as atheism being a cult, it is one simply by the fanatical behaviour of it's adherents.


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08 Aug 2015, 11:25 am

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:
zealotry is not exclusive to atheists and how is a lack of belief indicative of a cult?
how would you know what "God's word" is unless you speak aramaic? it's been translated half a dozen times and been corrected a bunch as well.

By getting an accurate translation. And actually, the Bible was never written in Aramaic. And as far as atheism being a cult, it is one simply by the fanatical behaviour of it's adherents.

If there are fanatical behaviors by atheists, it's because they are fighting for their rights to be left alone. Christians seem always ready to put crap on the ballot to prune away our rights. That won't stand and when it ends, so will the fanaticism. Therefore, it's not a cult...



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08 Aug 2015, 11:59 am

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:
zealotry is not exclusive to atheists and how is a lack of belief indicative of a cult?
how would you know what "God's word" is unless you speak aramaic? it's been translated half a dozen times and been corrected a bunch as well.

By getting an accurate translation. And actually, the Bible was never written in Aramaic. And as far as atheism being a cult, it is one simply by the fanatical behaviour of it's adherents.

If there are fanatical behaviors by atheists, it's because they are fighting for their rights to be left alone. Christians seem always ready to put crap on the ballot to prune away our rights. That won't stand and when it ends, so will the fanaticism. Therefore, it's not a cult...

Once again, you are accusing us of acting like you. Get a good hard look at yourself.


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08 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

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Funny, you are attributing to Christians the proselytizing zeal of you atheists. We can't turn on T.V., listen to the radio, or hardly do or look at anything without having someone try to indoctrinate us into the " There is no God " cult. Your 'beliefs' have as much proof as ours, except we have God's Word and you have flawed science. Why do you people persist in attacking something which gives us comfort, when I would never dream of doing that to you? :roll:
zealotry is not exclusive to atheists and how is a lack of belief indicative of a cult?
how would you know what "God's word" is unless you speak aramaic? it's been translated half a dozen times and been corrected a bunch as well.

By getting an accurate translation. And actually, the Bible was never written in Aramaic. And as far as atheism being a cult, it is one simply by the fanatical behaviour of it's adherents.

If there are fanatical behaviors by atheists, it's because they are fighting for their rights to be left alone. Christians seem always ready to put crap on the ballot to prune away our rights. That won't stand and when it ends, so will the fanaticism. Therefore, it's not a cult...

Once again, you are accusing us of acting like you. Get a good hard look at yourself.

And once again, you are ignoring the point of my last post. I said that when Christians try to stifle our rights at the ballot box and elsewhere, this will not end. None or very few atheists care what you believe, as long as you stop trying to control our rights. That IS NOT proselytizing. It is protecting ourselves from the likes of you and yours. Learn to read...



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08 Aug 2015, 2:25 pm

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