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Will Trump win the race for president
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19 Aug 2015, 9:42 pm

most likely not but its way too early to tell

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20 Aug 2015, 12:07 pm

A recent poll shows Trump getting higher general support than Hillary. Historically after eight years of one party, America switches to the other.

Republicans have elected Presidents, but none has been as popular as Trump.

Trump could run as a Democrat and win the Party.

Some can say he is a madman, and should not have power, but all he said was illegals should be deported, and there is no birthright Citizenship for the children of aliens. The 14th says, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and the children of aliens are subject to the same jurisdiction as their parents.

If mom and dad are foreign nationals, so is their baby born here, is the law in every country.

Both are the law of the land, which has not been enforced, as all elected officials have sworn to do, before taking office.

Enforce existing laws, is not radical. E-Verify for employment, birth certificates, drivers license, and for sending money out of the country, proof that it is not drug money, and taxes have been paid. Proof of a legal right to be here is not excessive.

While there are some vocal pro illegal movements, they are tolerated by the legal, as it was family members who showed up, moved in, and risked everything by dealing drugs. Half of Hispanics are illegal, and the legal half vote. They have to support their brother-in-law, in family and public, but the ballot is secret, and they would vote to deport.

Blacks see illegal as taking their jobs, which is true. They too would vote their self interest.

These are given Democrat voters, who would vote for Trump.

Trump talks of leveling the world of international trade, and bringing back industry. The last twenty years have been hard on young people, some who are now forty. We cannot all work for Goldman Sachs, America needs jobs that pay. Our best educated generation is the most underemployed. They will vote for having a future.

Trump is a TV star, and is very rich. A lot of women will vote for that.

Everyone else looks frail. Hillary pulled a Nixon, so Biden and Gore have been talked up. The rising stars of the Republican's, the top three have never held public office. A Doctor and two Business people are rising. The Democrats have no one who ever held a non government job.

Our current economy is a fraud, stocks inflated with interest free QE3 money, the Banks are deeper in debt and oil, gold, and the Market are falling. Economic decline will elect Trump. Many are predicting a 20% decline within the next month.

The China Stock Market, down over 35%. Just devalued the Yuan. Russian Ruble down by half, Euro down by a quarter. People who called oil at $40 are now saying $30. We have the makings of a worldwide great depression.

Obama increased the National Debt more than all the Presidents before him combined, we are sinking.

We need to make America great again, it can be done. Ike took a country in depression and war for fifteen years, had a 95% top tax rate, paid off the war debt, removed the illegals through Operation Wetback, rebuilt Europe, built the American Autobahn, and brought an era of prosperity.

President Trump is our best chance.



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20 Aug 2015, 12:09 pm

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A recent poll shows Trump getting higher general support than Hillary. Historically after eight years of one party, America switches to the other.

Republicans have elected Presidents, but none has been as popular as Trump.

Trump could run as a Democrat and win the Party.

Some can say he is a madman, and should not have power, but all he said was illegals should be deported, and there is no birthright Citizenship for the children of aliens. The 14th says, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and the children of aliens are subject to the same jurisdiction as their parents.

If mom and dad are foreign nationals, so is their baby born here, is the law in every country.

Both are the law of the land, which has not been enforced, as all elected officials have sworn to do, before taking office.

Enforce existing laws, is not radical. E-Verify for employment, birth certificates, drivers license, and for sending money out of the country, proof that it is not drug money, and taxes have been paid. Proof of a legal right to be here is not excessive.

While there are some vocal pro illegal movements, they are tolerated by the legal, as it was family members who showed up, moved in, and risked everything by dealing drugs. Half of Hispanics are illegal, and the legal half vote. They have to support their brother-in-law, in family and public, but the ballot is secret, and they would vote to deport.

Blacks see illegal as taking their jobs, which is true. They too would vote their self interest.

These are given Democrat voters, who would vote for Trump.

Trump talks of leveling the world of international trade, and bringing back industry. The last twenty years have been hard on young people, some who are now forty. We cannot all work for Goldman Sachs, America needs jobs that pay. Our best educated generation is the most underemployed. They will vote for having a future.

Trump is a TV star, and is very rich. A lot of women will vote for that.

Everyone else looks frail. Hillary pulled a Nixon, so Biden and Gore have been talked up. The rising stars of the Republican's, the top three have never held public office. A Doctor and two Business people are rising. The Democrats have no one who ever held a non government job.

Our current economy is a fraud, stocks inflated with interest free QE3 money, the Banks are deeper in debt and oil, gold, and the Market are falling. Economic decline will elect Trump. Many are predicting a 20% decline within the next month.

The China Stock Market, down over 35%. Just devalued the Yuan. Russian Ruble down by half, Euro down by a quarter. People who called oil at $40 are now saying $30. We have the makings of a worldwide great depression.

Obama increased the National Debt more than all the Presidents before him combined, we are sinking.

We need to make America great again, it can be done. Ike took a country in depression and war for fifteen years, had a 95% top tax rate, paid off the war debt, removed the illegals through Operation Wetback, rebuilt Europe, built the American Autobahn, and brought an era of prosperity.

President Trump is our best chance.


My grandma says the media is making Trump more popular.


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21 Aug 2015, 2:51 pm

Exactly. Trump is a known media manipulator. I truly think ( and certainly hope) that this will not translate into actual votes.


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22 Aug 2015, 1:52 pm

He is a pure politician. He panders more then any other candidate. The Bible! Billy Graham! From an atheist. People believe that crap! No specifics, just Ill make the military so huge there will be no wars! Ummmm how will you pay for that???
Looking at his audience was scary. A bunch of buck toothed hillbillies.
Also immigration??? The biggest issue??? Its down there with being a litterbug. Mexicxans can take that job harvesting cabbages in the heat. Crime,??? Of course Trump knows that his audience is uneducated and does not know that two examples proves nothing. I have asked all my friends and none of them were ever mugged by a Mexican.
However, I wish him well. I hope he gets the Republican nomination. ANY Democrat will win. The problem with the Republicans is that to get the Republican nomination one must be far far right. However, then it becomes impossible to win the general election. The American people are in the center and do not identify with a looney tea partier. The funny thing is that trump is not a tea partier. He knows that what he says is crap. But he says it to win the Republican nomination.


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22 Aug 2015, 4:30 pm

I voted No, because I genuinely hope he doesn't win. Essentially, we'd have a President who's all style and no substance, who believes he can solve all America's complex problems with simple solutions, and who thinks he would be able to bend both this country's friends and enemies to his will with his bombastic personality. I'd love to see the shallow, ego driven Trump go up against a genuine man of the people like Bernie Sanders.


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22 Aug 2015, 4:51 pm

You put up the wrong type of poll.



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23 Aug 2015, 9:56 pm

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Obama increased the National Debt more than all the Presidents before him combined, we are sinking.


I thought it was Reagan who did this back in the 80's? Yes, I'm sure he's the one to blame for the mess you people are in.

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We need to make America great again, it can be done.


What, exactly, would a 'great America' actually look like though? Ike was President when most of the rest of the world was still recovering from World War 2, and the economic success of the U.S. was largely built upon helping other nations to rebuild their societies and economies. The U.S. was able to do this because it had not been devastated by that war, being protected as it is by two large oceans. The economic prosperity your nation enjoyed back then will never reappear, unless... so that's why so all of your administrations, regardless of whether they were Democrat or Republican, have over the last 35 years been trying to ignite World War 3! In order for your country to succeed, you have to destroy the rest of the globe first. Well, that's not going to work this time, so it looks as though you are out of options. Decline is inevitable. Don't worry, it won't mean the end of the world, even though Hollywood tries its best to portray it that way.

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President Trump is our best chance.


What about Bernie?



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24 Aug 2015, 12:45 am

Lintar wrote:
Inventor wrote:
Obama increased the National Debt more than all the Presidents before him combined, we are sinking.


I thought it was Reagan who did this back in the 80's? Yes, I'm sure he's the one to blame for the mess you people are in.

Inventor wrote:
We need to make America great again, it can be done.


What, exactly, would a 'great America' actually look like though? Ike was President when most of the rest of the world was still recovering from World War 2, and the economic success of the U.S. was largely built upon helping other nations to rebuild their societies and economies. The U.S. was able to do this because it had not been devastated by that war, being protected as it is by two large oceans. The economic prosperity your nation enjoyed back then will never reappear, unless... so that's why so all of your administrations, regardless of whether they were Democrat or Republican, have over the last 35 years been trying to ignite World War 3! In order for your country to succeed, you have to destroy the rest of the globe first. Well, that's not going to work this time, so it looks as though you are out of options. Decline is inevitable. Don't worry, it won't mean the end of the world, even though Hollywood tries its best to portray it that way.

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President Trump is our best chance.


What about Bernie?


If Bernie gets the Democratic nomination, he will certainly get my vote.
I agree, the US should not try to recapture the past (the immediate post WWII years), as the past is long gone. Rather, we need to look for a new American future. Reactionary schemes like mass deportations is not going to achieve that. And seriously, as the notion of deporting millions of people is obviously just an unworkable fantasy, I have to think Trump is either talking out of his a$$ to get the simple minded right wing vote, or if he seriously believes his own rhetoric, then he ought to be included with those simple minded right wingers.


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24 Aug 2015, 1:54 am

The not politically correct reply is defend what we have. Gain control of our borders, make it impossible for an illegal to live here, and bring back high wage manufacturing.

Manufacturing technology is making a jump to robotics, 3-D Printing, and lights out manufacturing. Cheap labor and long distance shipping cannot compete. We need Universal Health Care like other industrial countries, and to reduce the costs of education, criminal justice, because it is cheaper to employ someone than put them in jail for not having a job. Work and education parole could change a lot of things.

Getting rid of illegals, 31 million, opens a lot of jobs. We are only 10 million jobs away from full employment.

Prison Guard is a social loss, we are short truck drivers.

A Minimum Income would replace a lot of government programs. Ex Government workers could get productive jobs.

The Social Security Tax should apply to all personal income. Above $115,000 is now exempt.

Small Business can not survive under a code designed for multinationals. They are the largest employer, tax collector, and simplified tax and regulation would favor more employment.

Expand the National Parks and Forests because we have more people. Taking care of the country from cleaning up along roads, to tearing down Detroit, to planting forests should produce some national identity.

A lot of the BLM Land out west has been degraded. What was grassland is now desert brush. End cattle grazing, restore the earth. A lot of this is happening in Texas, and it works.

The whole world has a problem with the population increase happening in Africa, South America, Southeast Asia. Do not let them bring the problem to the population stable North. By 2050 Nigeria will have more people than the United States. Make them stay in Nigeria. South America will double, that does not mean they can have Canada.

Tax all high net worth people 14.2% of wealth. Pay off the National Debt, the value of all assets will increase more than 14.2%. Apply the interest not spent to a National Surplus, use it to buy Parks.

Build cities where the low income can retire. Keep building until 10% of the population can live there.

Taking out illegals and retired, gives the working age people more choices, lower rents, greater chance at home ownership. Clear and simple small business laws, more ideas come to market. Full employment drives up wages.

Choices are simple, we can turn back from our Mordor future where the Dark Lord rules from a hidden tower, and build the pleasant and happy Shire we deserve.

It is as simple as choosing to spread joy. We can be happy and secure in our future, and leave a better world behind for generations to come.



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24 Aug 2015, 2:08 am

I certainly hope he doesn't win. I'd like to see an ACTUAL liberal win the US presidency for once, and not a neocon or right-leaning moderate.



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24 Aug 2015, 2:14 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I certainly hope he doesn't win. I'd like to see an ACTUAL liberal win the US presidency for once, and not a neocon or right-leaning moderate.



And not a democrat at least I'd add that bit for what I'd want to see...though I guess its ok if they run as a democrat but are actually an actual liberal/progressive. Even better liberal/progressive socialist....with focus on importance of personal freedom.



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24 Aug 2015, 2:22 am

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mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I certainly hope he doesn't win. I'd like to see an ACTUAL liberal win the US presidency for once, and not a neocon or right-leaning moderate.



And not a democrat at least I'd add that bit for what I'd want to see...though I guess its ok if they run as a democrat but are actually an actual liberal/progressive. Even better liberal/progressive socialist....with focus on importance of personal freedom.


I don't consider the Democratic party liberal at all.



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24 Aug 2015, 8:25 pm

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The not politically correct reply is defend what we have. Gain control of our borders, make it impossible for an illegal to live here, and bring back high wage manufacturing.

Manufacturing technology is making a jump to robotics, 3-D Printing, and lights out manufacturing. Cheap labor and long distance shipping cannot compete. We need Universal Health Care like other industrial countries, and to reduce the costs of education, criminal justice, because it is cheaper to employ someone than put them in jail for not having a job. Work and education parole could change a lot of things.

Getting rid of illegals, 31 million, opens a lot of jobs. We are only 10 million jobs away from full employment.

Prison Guard is a social loss, we are short truck drivers.

A Minimum Income would replace a lot of government programs. Ex Government workers could get productive jobs.

The Social Security Tax should apply to all personal income. Above $115,000 is now exempt.

Small Business can not survive under a code designed for multinationals. They are the largest employer, tax collector, and simplified tax and regulation would favor more employment.

Expand the National Parks and Forests because we have more people. Taking care of the country from cleaning up along roads, to tearing down Detroit, to planting forests should produce some national identity.

A lot of the BLM Land out west has been degraded. What was grassland is now desert brush. End cattle grazing, restore the earth. A lot of this is happening in Texas, and it works.

The whole world has a problem with the population increase happening in Africa, South America, Southeast Asia. Do not let them bring the problem to the population stable North. By 2050 Nigeria will have more people than the United States. Make them stay in Nigeria. South America will double, that does not mean they can have Canada.

Tax all high net worth people 14.2% of wealth. Pay off the National Debt, the value of all assets will increase more than 14.2%. Apply the interest not spent to a National Surplus, use it to buy Parks.

Build cities where the low income can retire. Keep building until 10% of the population can live there.

Taking out illegals and retired, gives the working age people more choices, lower rents, greater chance at home ownership. Clear and simple small business laws, more ideas come to market. Full employment drives up wages.

Choices are simple, we can turn back from our Mordor future where the Dark Lord rules from a hidden tower, and build the pleasant and happy Shire we deserve.

It is as simple as choosing to spread joy. We can be happy and secure in our future, and leave a better world behind for generations to come.


This sounds like a reasonable plan. I can't comment upon the issues your nation faces as a direct result of illegal immigration, if only because I do not live in the U.S. and therefore have not had to deal with those issues, but many of the other suggestions you make here are sound, and we know they are because they have been tried already in other countries (ex. the Medicare system we have in Australia has been an outstanding success, and no one would ever dare suggest that we scrap it).

The crucial importance of manufacturing cannot be overstated, but too many of our silly politicians have become so infatuated with the service sector in the mistaken belief that manufacturing is now something we no longer need (I guess they actually believe that we can just 'outsource' this vital sector of our economies to the inappropriately named People's Republic. It's cheaper). We hear all about the 'industries of the future' (ex. A.I., genetic manipulation) but, as is usually the case, they have no idea what they are talking about. They are just spouting cliches, the meaning of which completely escapes them.



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24 Aug 2015, 8:29 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I certainly hope he doesn't win. I'd like to see an ACTUAL liberal win the US presidency for once, and not a neocon or right-leaning moderate.



And not a democrat at least I'd add that bit for what I'd want to see...though I guess its ok if they run as a democrat but are actually an actual liberal/progressive. Even better liberal/progressive socialist....with focus on importance of personal freedom.


I don't consider the Democratic party liberal at all.


Neither do I. They are just like our own so-called Labour Party, which long ago (pre-1975) really did represent the interests of the workers, but now just pretend to.