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14 Sep 2015, 6:03 pm

I'm going to guess that she'll mess up again in the future with her bigoted views and end up in jail for the exact same reason.

This is why religion needs to be kept out of a place like this.



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14 Sep 2015, 6:49 pm

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This is why religion needs to be kept out of a place like this.


Are you suggesting religious people be barred from holding certain jobs?


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14 Sep 2015, 8:15 pm

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But in my defense, you had seemingly taken the side of that Hungarian b*tch who was kicking and tripping desperate Syrian refugees in another thread - or at least you were attacking me for condemning her - and so I assumed you would side with someone because she or he was on your blessed (libertarian) right.


There's that projection again; I don't pick my "sides" based on politics, that's you, I do it based on what's fair, and taking one bad moment out of of someone's life and judging their entire person on it is not fair at all, and you do it all the time. Not just you either, people like you, which means I spend a lot of my time busting lib/prog chops here, which is ironic given the mantle of tolerance and respect that faction constantly bestows upon itself.
The really stupid thing here is that I'm not even right wing, I'm barely even libertarian at this point anymore, I'm to your left on foreign policy, criminal justice, immigration, civil liberties, and a myriad other issues, but you're so mule stubborn in your black and white red/blue left/right viewpoint that you literally cannot process that, like what my head does when I look at a very complex algebraic equation and my eyes cross and brain goes fuzzy. The difference being that I know I suck at algebra and don't try to hold forth on it or tell people who are good at it that they're doing it wrong; you should emulate that example.


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14 Sep 2015, 9:50 pm

Dox47 wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
This is why religion needs to be kept out of a place like this.


Are you suggesting religious people be barred from holding certain jobs?


If your religion prevents you from fulfilling the duties of your job, you shouldn't have that job.

It would be absurd to propose that a christian scientist has an equal opportunity to be a pharmacist unless they are fully trained and do not force their beliefs on customers

In much the same way, if i owned a hog confinement, I would have no problem hiring a muslim provided that the applicant agrees to work with swine day in and day out.

Per the Obergefell decision, being a county clerk in kentucky now requires that either you issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples, or you allow your deputy clerks to do so.

Kentucky law also restricts anyone from changing the form, which she has done anyway.



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15 Sep 2015, 7:36 pm

I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.



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15 Sep 2015, 9:58 pm

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I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.


That'll happen on November 8 2016.

Not nearly soon enough.



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15 Sep 2015, 9:59 pm

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I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.


That'll happen on November 8 2016. Not nearly soon enough.

how do you know those friendly folk won't just reelect her in a landslide?



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15 Sep 2015, 10:52 pm

auntblabby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
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I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.


That'll happen on November 8 2016. Not nearly soon enough.

how do you know those friendly folk won't just reelect her in a landslide?


What i mean is that once a presidential election is held, conservative politicians will stop trying to be seen supporting her



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15 Sep 2015, 10:54 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.


That'll happen on November 8 2016. Not nearly soon enough.

how do you know those friendly folk won't just reelect her in a landslide?


What i mean is that once a presidential election is held, conservative politicians will stop trying to be seen supporting her

that will be the only good thing about a rightie win.



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15 Sep 2015, 11:54 pm

auntblabby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
I sincerely hope she and her supporters blend back into the woodwork whence they came.


That'll happen on November 8 2016. Not nearly soon enough.

how do you know those friendly folk won't just reelect her in a landslide?


What i mean is that once a presidential election is held, conservative politicians will stop trying to be seen supporting her

that will be the only good thing about a rightie win.


You are forgetting a few things here. First, this is Appalachia. If the locals got past high school, they're doing good. Second, Kentucky is smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt. Southern fried, as well as Primitive Baptists (those groups that use poisonous snakes in part of their worship rituals), as well as Methodists (UMC and Wesleyan), Pentecostals, and Holiness congregations, predominate. They take the Bible literally (and even then, the 1611 King James Version is the only true Scripture. Any other version, such as the Revised Standard Version or the New International Version, is the work of the Devil.). Don't even try to convince them otherwise, as they're just as stubborn and mule-headed as the old-order Amish and Mennonites. Personally, I agree with them on their stance on same-sex marriage. If I were the county clerk, however, I'd probably resign, since, in this instance, i could not, in good conscience, render to Caesar what is Caesar's.


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17 Sep 2015, 9:41 pm

kim the hypocrite is up to no good again. she reworded the marriage forms so that the name of her office is omitted, also she is having her clerks sign them as notary publics, which is explicitly forbidden under state law [KRS 402.080]-
"The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk."

she's also explicitly violating another statute, namely KRS 402.100, which directs:
"Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The form shall consist of:
(1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of:
(a) An authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license for any
person or religious society authorized to perform marriage ceremonies to unite
in marriage the persons named;
(b) Vital information for each party, including the full name, date of birth, place
of birth, race, condition (single, widowed, or divorced), number of previous
marriages, occupation, current residence, relationship to the other party, and
full names of parents; and
(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk
or deputy clerk issuing the license.
"

If davis is removing any mention of the office of county court clerk, then she's in direct violation of this statute. If she is directing her deputies to sign them as notaries public--and NOT as deputy county clerks--then there's another violation of the same statute.
finally, there's KRS 402.110, which clearly states:
"The form of marriage license prescribed in KRS 402.100 shall be uniform throughout this state, and every license blank shall contain the identical words and figures provided in the form prescribed by that section. In issuing the license the clerk shall deliver it in its entirety to the licensee. The clerk shall see to it that every blank space required to be filled by the applicants is so filled before delivering it to the licensee.
what this tool is doing, is setting up a future court fight regarding invalid marriage licenses.



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17 Sep 2015, 10:13 pm

auntblabby wrote:
kim the hypocrite is up to no good again. she reworded the marriage forms so that the name of her office is omitted, also she is having her clerks sign them as notary publics, which is explicitly forbidden under state law [KRS 402.080]-
"The license shall be issued by the clerk of the county in which the female resides at the time, unless the female is eighteen (18) years of age or over or a widow, and the license is issued on her application in person or by writing signed by her, in which case it may be issued by any county clerk."

she's also explicitly violating another statute, namely KRS 402.100, which directs:
"Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The form shall consist of:
(1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of:
(a) An authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license for any
person or religious society authorized to perform marriage ceremonies to unite
in marriage the persons named;
(b) Vital information for each party, including the full name, date of birth, place
of birth, race, condition (single, widowed, or divorced), number of previous
marriages, occupation, current residence, relationship to the other party, and
full names of parents; and
(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk
or deputy clerk issuing the license.
"

If davis is removing any mention of the office of county court clerk, then she's in direct violation of this statute. If she is directing her deputies to sign them as notaries public--and NOT as deputy county clerks--then there's another violation of the same statute.
finally, there's KRS 402.110, which clearly states:
"The form of marriage license prescribed in KRS 402.100 shall be uniform throughout this state, and every license blank shall contain the identical words and figures provided in the form prescribed by that section. In issuing the license the clerk shall deliver it in its entirety to the licensee. The clerk shall see to it that every blank space required to be filled by the applicants is so filled before delivering it to the licensee.
what this tool is doing, is setting up a future court fight regarding invalid marriage licenses.

That evil little witch needs to go back to jail until she resigns...



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17 Sep 2015, 10:22 pm

it seems of her ilk there is no limit to the trouble they can cause.



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17 Sep 2015, 10:31 pm

auntblabby wrote:
it seems of her ilk there is no limit to the trouble they can cause.


People who are in the right shouldn't have to resort to sh*tty little tricks. Goes to show you how she's hardly in the right.


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17 Sep 2015, 10:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it seems of her ilk there is no limit to the trouble they can cause.


People who are in the right shouldn't have to resort to sh*tty little tricks. Goes to show you how she's hardly in the right.

in the fullness of time, when she meets her maker and has her life review, she might grok it then. but in this lifetime I doubt she will understand just how evilly she has been behaving.