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Kraichgauer
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24 Sep 2015, 5:21 pm
glebel wrote:
I can personally attest to the government screwing up the market. I grew up on a small apple farm in Upstate New York. First they came through and put so many regulations out that small farmers couldn't stay in the market, then they came through and said that the big growers could only harvest 40% of their crop. Now, there are no longer any apple producers in that area, though they can grow as many sh***y apples in Washington State as they want. You can't tell me that people don't want apples.
And, at least from the perspective of California, they are merely getting rid of the summer formulated gas, so they can sell the winter crap.
And, at least from the perspective of California, they are merely getting rid of the summer formulated gas, so they can sell the winter crap.
Hey, I live in Washington where we grow sh***y apples!
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24 Sep 2015, 5:24 pm
L_Holmes wrote:
Peejay wrote:
I agree with your point about how essential it is to use your vote ... whichever way you choose. i
would even say spoiling your ballot paper is a vote against `the above` at least you have had your say.
However I disagree with your other point...
The fact that he's such a successful businessman at the very least makes him qualified, I think, to fix the financial issues America is having.
While Trump has made a few billion a couple of times, this has essentially been by gambling capital. I would call Warren Buffet a better and more reliable business man not Trump... Trump is totally unstable. Do you want a gambler in the whitehouse?
In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package
nine months later Trump was nearly $4 billion in debt
He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, (an accountancy trick not prudent business strategy really) although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it
Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion
In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat
In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. [another accountants trick]) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could
Trump invested roughly $365 million into Trump airlines, within 4 years it was dead.
So I think this myth he is peddling about himself being qualified as a successful businessman is guff. Tony Soprano was also a successful businessman
Opinions opinions opinions....
"The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. = hypocrisy & diss`ing China to boot.
Here too is a sample of the exquisite diplomatic skill Trump would bring to bear in foreign policy.... listen to this beautifully crafted policy.
When recently discussing oil prices on air with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump blustered on about the scheming malfeasance of OPEC and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump insisted the U.S. could leverage its military supremacy to persuade OPEC to lower prices. In his words: "I'm going to look 'em in the eye and say, 'Fellas, you'd have your fun. Your fun is over.'" But this rather naive suggestion of bullying one of the U.S.'s most longstanding and essential allies in the Middle East — not to mention the recent customer in a megabillion-dollar U.S. weapons sale that would create tens of thousands of American jobs — was comparatively harmless when set against his next suggestion. Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground
All quotes from Time magazine 2011
If he wasn`t so scary he would be an absolute joy to listen to as the biggest airbag on the planet, this guy has no sense of irony whatsoever and is a satirists dream.
would even say spoiling your ballot paper is a vote against `the above` at least you have had your say.
However I disagree with your other point...
L_Holmes wrote:
The fact that he's such a successful businessman at the very least makes him qualified, I think, to fix the financial issues America is having.
While Trump has made a few billion a couple of times, this has essentially been by gambling capital. I would call Warren Buffet a better and more reliable business man not Trump... Trump is totally unstable. Do you want a gambler in the whitehouse?
In 1990, the banking institutions that backed his real estate investments had to bail him out with a $65 million "rescue package
nine months later Trump was nearly $4 billion in debt
He didn't declare personal bankruptcy, (an accountancy trick not prudent business strategy really) although his famous Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, N.J., did have to file for it
Trump's economic troubles continued through the early '90s, while he was personally leveraged to nearly $1 billion
In 2004, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts also filed for bankruptcy. The company was only a small portion of Trump's real estate empire, but he did still have to personally cough up $72 million to keep it afloat
In 2009, the same company (by then renamed Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. [another accountants trick]) filed for bankruptcy again. Yet during all of this, no one ever told Trump, "You're fired!" Probably because no one could
Trump invested roughly $365 million into Trump airlines, within 4 years it was dead.
So I think this myth he is peddling about himself being qualified as a successful businessman is guff. Tony Soprano was also a successful businessman
Opinions opinions opinions....
"The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. = hypocrisy & diss`ing China to boot.
Here too is a sample of the exquisite diplomatic skill Trump would bring to bear in foreign policy.... listen to this beautifully crafted policy.
When recently discussing oil prices on air with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Donald Trump blustered on about the scheming malfeasance of OPEC and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Trump insisted the U.S. could leverage its military supremacy to persuade OPEC to lower prices. In his words: "I'm going to look 'em in the eye and say, 'Fellas, you'd have your fun. Your fun is over.'" But this rather naive suggestion of bullying one of the U.S.'s most longstanding and essential allies in the Middle East — not to mention the recent customer in a megabillion-dollar U.S. weapons sale that would create tens of thousands of American jobs — was comparatively harmless when set against his next suggestion. Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground
All quotes from Time magazine 2011
If he wasn`t so scary he would be an absolute joy to listen to as the biggest airbag on the planet, this guy has no sense of irony whatsoever and is a satirists dream.
I'm not extremely knowledgeable on how businesses and businessmen work, and what specific things make them more successful than others, but I thought it was kind of normal to have some failed business endeavors. I think the fact that he was able to rebuild his wealth every time says something good about his abilities. He says he never actually went bankrupt.
This is not to say that I am totally confident that he would be a great or even a good president, I just think he is more intelligent than people give him credit for. He does seem kind of outrageous but I think he makes some good points, and at the very least he is straightforward, which I also respect.
I would much prefer Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately he seems to be the only really good liberal candidate. Hillary and Biden seem very fake, deceptive and stupid to me. Admittedly I haven't read or listened to a whole lot about them, but from what I have researched I get the impression that they are just being paid to say what people want to hear. They talk about the issues but not the solutions.
Feel the Bern!
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25 Sep 2015, 10:56 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
glebel wrote:
I can personally attest to the government screwing up the market. I grew up on a small apple farm in Upstate New York. First they came through and put so many regulations out that small farmers couldn't stay in the market, then they came through and said that the big growers could only harvest 40% of their crop. Now, there are no longer any apple producers in that area, though they can grow as many sh***y apples in Washington State as they want. You can't tell me that people don't want apples.
And, at least from the perspective of California, they are merely getting rid of the summer formulated gas, so they can sell the winter crap.
And, at least from the perspective of California, they are merely getting rid of the summer formulated gas, so they can sell the winter crap.
Hey, I live in Washington where we grow sh***y apples!
Then you have the ability to buy straight from the farmers, which is great! However, we get these nasty things which can be stored for as long as 16 months
. The normal maximum storage should only be 4 months. I actually bought some McIntosh apples at a reputable produce market a few months back, thinking that they would be like the ones we grew. WRONG ! I threw them into the sagebrush for the wildlife. 
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25 Sep 2015, 10:57 am
Peejay wrote:
L_Holmes wrote:
I'm not extremely knowledgeable on how businesses and businessmen work, and what specific things make them more successful than others, but I thought it was kind of normal to have some failed business endeavors. I think the fact that he was able to rebuild his wealth every time says something good about his abilities. He says he never actually went bankrupt.
This is not to say that I am totally confident that he would be a great or even a good president, I just think he is more intelligent than people give him credit for. He does seem kind of outrageous but I think he makes some good points, and at the very least he is straightforward, which I also respect.
I would much prefer Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately he seems to be the only really good liberal candidate. Hillary and Biden seem very fake, deceptive and stupid to me. Admittedly I haven't read or listened to a whole lot about them, but from what I have researched I get the impression that they are just being paid to say what people want to hear. They talk about the issues but not the solutions.
This is not to say that I am totally confident that he would be a great or even a good president, I just think he is more intelligent than people give him credit for. He does seem kind of outrageous but I think he makes some good points, and at the very least he is straightforward, which I also respect.
I would much prefer Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately he seems to be the only really good liberal candidate. Hillary and Biden seem very fake, deceptive and stupid to me. Admittedly I haven't read or listened to a whole lot about them, but from what I have researched I get the impression that they are just being paid to say what people want to hear. They talk about the issues but not the solutions.
I think this is a fair and balanced summary justifying your reasons, and I can see that you are wise enough to have doubts. I do get the argument that business men fail and then come back, its just the way this guy talks is like he is the worlds best business man.
But that`s his problem, he is too confident in his own judgement and that he is the worlds best everything his lack of humility exposes his shallowness.
I do agree he is intelligent, but the intelligence will easily be clouded when looking through the ego-tinted glasses of overwhelming self-regard.
Intelligence is one thing but wisdom is rather a different matter, this be-rugged prat is palpably not a wise person or he wouldn`t say some of the stuff he says.... And he wouldn`t continue to wear that ridiculous hairpiece, his vanity is not even wise!
I think it's the world's most ridiculous comb over, actually.
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