Very irritated with people who criticize Abortion

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I struggled with this one for some time. Eventually I concluded that almost all abortion carried out today is immoral.
Some retorts to the usual arguments:

Those who say unborn children feel no pain so it's ok - this is not an argument. There are ways to kill adults such that there is no physical pain nor suffering through foreknowledge. Here's a thought experiment: if I could kill you in such a way for no good reason why would it be wrong? Hint: I'm depriving you of future experience.

Next that a baby at whatever stage of development is not fully human because it can't think/socialise/order a pizza etc. Whatever definitions of human life or non-life you want to introduce to the argument no one will argue that this "bundle of cells" will not later become a human with those characteristics unless there are extenuating natural circumstances or you interfere violently with the pregnancy through abortion. As far as I can see the life of a human begins at conception. That first fertilised cell is just an earlier stage of human development, much as a toddler is an earlier stage of development compared to a teenager as a teenager is to an adult.

People often jump to extreme examples when discussing this, I think it's moot unless abortion in general is considered immoral, but anyway:

Child will have terrible life because mom/dad is terrible person: this isn't our call to make, nor is it the mother's. Many people have raised themselves from terrible circumstances. Adoption would be preferable to snuffing out the child in this case surely?

Child will be deformed, stupid or otherwise imperfect: same as above really, but this one is a bit more sinister, it's really not the call of the mother or society at large to decide whether lives are worth living. It's entirely subjective. Short lives are not automatically pointless, same for lives with much pain, trial and suffering. The only person who can say is the person living it and often only as they approach the end of their life. I said this one is more sinister because you can take it so far in the other direction. What if the child will be a bit ugly? Or perhaps mildly autistic? If the parents don't want an imperfect child - adoption again seems like a fine alternative.

Child of rape. Sins of the father.... No I don't think this is justified either. What if the mother carries to term, is she at any point thereafter permitted to kill the child because of how they were conceived? Adoption again seems like the way to go.

Life of the mother is in immediate danger and treatment will kill the baby: This is the one instance I can think of where it is justifiable. There is no right call in this scenario - it's up to the mother.



Ridiculous slogan. If you don't like murder, don't commit one.

If you don't like children, don't have sex. If you don't like handicapped people, don't have sex. That's a good way to avoid an abortion.

Say nothing else about this topic ever

Perhaps I went a little overboard this morning. What I should have said is that people should consider whether they'd be happy with any child that God gives them, even a handicapped. If not, than they should consider adoption.

I'm totally with nurseangela. So if a prostitute had a baby she would have to care for it, even though the man was responsible for impregnating her in the first place, and HAD A CHOICE HIMSELF not to get involved in something irresponsible. Yes, how convenient for the man. And a completely horrendous situation for the woman. After all she gets 100% blame either way from you, even though it was you who impregnated her, ruining her life (assuming according she *had* to keep the baby), but hey for you it was a jolly good time. Who gives a damn about the prozzie and her kid now anyway?

As regards to the "don't have sex then" argument...that is just unbelievable too. No matter how much you try to force your morals on other people, they will always have sex.

As with most arguments here, nobody ever changes their viewpoints. It's just the same rigid people dictating to others how they should live their lives.

Welp I'm going to. The nature of the conception nor the genes of the rapist give you the right to kill the child. My body this, my body that... as soon as conception occurs, it is no longer entirely your own body I am afraid.

A general rule on the topic of abortion: if it's immoral to kill a child outside of the womb for any given reason, it is just as immoral to kill them inside the womb for the same reason. You wouldn't bash a 4 year olds head in because they were conceived of rape, so it's not ok to do that before they are born.