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29 Jul 2020, 12:11 pm

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Oh okay, but what was the crime they would have charged him with, if he was taken to jail, unless he was only held for 24 hours, or whatever the holding laws are in that area?
Doesn't anyone actually read the articles?
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Lee was charged Thursday with Attempting to Lure Children into a structure.
"Luring or Attempting to Lure Children Into a Vehicle or Structure" is a crime in legal jurisdictions.

Mr. Lee was not jailed for talking to those kids, but for apparently attempting to lure those kids into a cabin.

I would not be surprised if the entire Lee family is eventually "convinced" to move out of town.


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30 Jul 2020, 1:39 am

Fnord wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, but what was the crime they would have charged him with, if he was taken to jail, unless he was only held for 24 hours, or whatever the holding laws are in that area?
Doesn't anyone actually read the articles?
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Lee was charged Thursday with Attempting to Lure Children into a structure.
[color=black]"Luring or Attempting to Lure Children Into a Vehicle or Structure" is a crime in legal jurisdictions.


I'm sorry mods but this has got to be said.

Hey you do realize that some of us have disabilities that present differently.

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Mr. Lee was not jailed for talking to those kids, but for apparently attempting to lure those kids into a cabin.


Did he lure them or do others think he lured them?



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30 Jul 2020, 10:12 am

Thanks, En.


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30 Jul 2020, 2:47 pm

This thread is 5 years old. I'm sure that whatever happened, it's sorted by now.



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31 Jul 2020, 5:22 am

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This thread is 5 years old. I'm sure that whatever happened, it's sorted by now.


I do wonder what happened with the case.



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03 Aug 2020, 8:26 am

"Clearly has special needs..." these aren't always clear. Obviously have never met this Daniel person, but it's not like we go around with "Autistic" stamped on our foreheads.

Ugh, I hate this catch-22. If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.

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03 Aug 2020, 8:35 am

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... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.


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04 Aug 2020, 12:05 am

Fnord wrote:
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... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.



It's another form of ableism. Infantilizing someone with a disability thinking they can't be creep and can't possible be capable and don't know what they are doing.

The worst case I ever heard was about a killer name Arthur Frederick Goode III. He was a special need and he killed 3 boys as in protest of people not accepting adult and kid relationships and he left a kid with PTSD who survived as his victim. Florida electrocuted him in 1984.


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04 Aug 2020, 2:18 am

League_Girl wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.



It's another form of ableism. Infantilizing someone with a disability thinking they can't be creep and can't possible be capable and don't know what they are doing.

The worst case I ever heard was about a killer name Arthur Frederick Goode III. He was a special need and he killed 3 boys as in protest of people not accepting adult and kid relationships and he left a kid with PTSD who survived as his victim. Florida electrocuted him in 1984.


I'm not a forensic psychologist but Goode's intellectual handicap is mutually exclusive to his pedophilia.



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League_Girl wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.



It's another form of ableism. Infantilizing someone with a disability thinking they can't be creep and can't possible be capable and don't know what they are doing.

The worst case I ever heard was about a killer name Arthur Frederick Goode III. He was a special need and he killed 3 boys as in protest of people not accepting adult and kid relationships and he left a kid with PTSD who survived as his victim. Florida electrocuted him in 1984.


You are correct here is another case of a convicted autistic peado

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... utism.html


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04 Aug 2020, 10:05 am

Fnord wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.


No, it's not, although we at least ought to have the resources to learn how to assimilate better. Like I've said, "social skills" training rn is basically crap.

Also, we need to be realistic that we might ping others' "creep-dars" and hope that at least some will be understanding. I mean, people's social intuition is frequently not as good as they think it is to begin with.

But yes, you can be a creep and be Autistic. Or you can be both infantilized and seen as creepy. Love my unique, rich Autism identity. Wouldn't give it up for the world. /s :roll:


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04 Aug 2020, 10:18 am

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -- Attributed to Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)

(Translation: Not everything has a hidden meaning.)


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04 Aug 2020, 11:51 am

carlos55 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Whale_Tuune wrote:
... If you self-disclose, you have "special needs" and get treated with kid gloves like this article is doing. If you don't, you're a creep who should be jailed.
Why can't someone be both a creep and a special needs person?  It's not like autism is a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.



It's another form of ableism. Infantilizing someone with a disability thinking they can't be creep and can't possible be capable and don't know what they are doing.

The worst case I ever heard was about a killer name Arthur Frederick Goode III. He was a special need and he killed 3 boys as in protest of people not accepting adult and kid relationships and he left a kid with PTSD who survived as his victim. Florida electrocuted him in 1984.


You are correct here is another case of a convicted autistic peado

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... utism.html



I have seen John Robison and Temple Grandon's mother try to link child porn to autism and their excuse is because we have emotional immaturity, we might go for kids at our emotional level to learn about sex so we go to child porn instead of wanting to look at consenting adults. :roll:

Just the dumbest excuse ever to justify pedophilia in autism. I am sure people with borderline cognitive impairments and those with mild cognitive impairment would also be offended if anyone tried to link child CP and pedo behavior to intellectual impairment. Saying that they are more likely to be predators because of their developmental delays.

If you do the crime, do the time, if you can't help it, there is a special place for you, prison or a mental institution. This is how I see it for people with disorders.


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04 Aug 2020, 12:03 pm

I notice in other countries like Australia and the UK, they go softer on someone if they have a disability but in the US, we are very brutal and black and white and your illness will never come into play here for your crime nor your autism or intellectual impairment. That was why we used to execute children in adult bodies and we still do even if it had been outlawed by the US Supreme court. The states can now set their own standard on who qualifies as being intellectually impaired. That is where states start to use junk science.

I say lock em up, don't go soft on them.


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04 Aug 2020, 12:54 pm

Well as far as the whole autistic people wanting younger sexual partners go, when I was 23, I hooked up with a 17 year old, but I was a virgin and she already had quite a bit of experience under her belt compared to me. So I felt that she was more sexually experienced and sexually mature than I was.

But was that bad of me to do that, or to look at it that way? Does that make me a pervert?



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04 Aug 2020, 1:04 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well as far as the whole autistic people wanting younger sexual partners go, when I was 23, I hooked up with a 17 year old, but I was a virgin and she already had quite a bit of experience under her belt compared to me. So I felt that she was more sexually experienced and sexually mature than I was.

But was that bad of me to do that, or to look at it that way? Does that make me a pervert?


Depending on the age of consent where you live, there could be legal issues with this.


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