Does being left wing go hand in hand with Asperger's?

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That or they think voluntary charity works. It really doesn't work very well. Some know it doesn't work but don't care. Being able to keep their money is more important than people literally dying or suffering immensely. They're usually privileged and live in a bubble insulated from illness or suffering. They haven't been f****d over completely. They haven't experienced mental or physical suffering to the degree they are close to killing themselves. They're just lucky and insulated. They also have a big ego usually and think they are "self made" when they really aren't. Nobody is "self made" unless they go out and live off the land. To be "self made" you have to cut yourself off from society completely. That's the only way to avoid anyone helping you ever.

Nobody is self-reliant. We all rely on others. Those others might be family, friends, government agencies, teachers or doctors. The idea that it's even possible to be some self-made objectivist ubermensch is childish. We all benefit from handouts whether explicit or implicit. Roads, schools, parental care, welfare, pensions, tax credits. There is such a thing as society.

^This.

Hi, I am communist and monotheist. Also an engineer. However random it might seems my view on god is that of einsteins.

You really don't understand... Stalin and Mao were extremists and are in no way representative of liberals or the left. The left is more willing that the right to defend the rights of peoples and minority, not sacrificing them in the name of "greater good"; libertarians been there with the right, as they give more importance to so-called "economic freedom" that any individual rights issues (Except for gun rights, which they rise as a divine right.), like approving the Pinochet regime in Chile. For libertarians dictatorship is fine as long the private industry can deny worker rights and that the wealthy don't pay tax. The right will cry as much as they want about how taxation go against their rights, nothing will change the true that any nation able to guarantee the rights of it's citizens need taxation and the mathematical true that without wealth redistribution a too large part of the money will fall in the hands of a wealthy few as soon as money exchange is done; exchange been the whole point of money.

This and your first post Fnord is kinda offensive , I agree with what you are saying to a degree and I do agree that personal responsibility is important but lumping disability in those categories I don't agree with. I would be homeless if I didn't draw disability and probably dead. Some people have legitimate problems working due to disabilities and need some extra help. Its fair cause when I worked I paid into social security, would you expect someone in a wheelchair to be able to walk up stairs or someone without arms to steer a car? Or are they using their disability as an excuse?

No, most of us would rather see people in real need get help locally, from family, friends, and religious institutions (that's why we put money in the collection plates, right?). We would rather not be taxed to support able-bodied people whose alleged needs are the direct result of their own lack of initiative in schools and workplaces - dropouts and bums are a drain on society, sucking up resources that real needy people deserve instead.

I don't mean to be offensive. I have been homeless, so I know exactly what it is like from first-hand experience. The difference being that I was determined to not remain homeless, but to become a home-owning citizen. It helped that I did not know then about having an ASD, and how it is supposed to have made me unemployable. Instead, I took every job offer that came my way, no matter how menial.

Did you ever de-tassle cornstalks while hanging off the side of a moving farm trailer in the hot sun for ten hours a day? Did you ever work as a night janitor or a night watchman while also working construction during the day? Did you ever work for a septic-tank service? Did you ever work at a conveyor belt, separating plastics, paper, glass, and metals from all of the dirty diapers and used syringes that people carelessly throw into the garbage?

It takes personal effort to get out of poverty, but only if you are both willing and able. We should help the disabled as much as possible; but for the rest, they're on their own.

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I tried hard in school and my places of enployment and I am neither a dropout , bum or drain on society. Also getting help locally isn't practical in all cases, what of those that come from abusive families or those whose bad social skills gets them expelled from religious institutions?

Wow, I am happy I am a bit of a libreal. I am out, I am not going argue this, politics and religion aren't worth fighting for.

You, at least, are trying to make something of yourself. For that, I salute you!

There is no necessary link between our neurology and political ideology. Political ideology is a product of free thinking and or enculturation.

I don't know. I just feel the same as the majority of the people I talk to. Like with this ISIS crisis, me and everybody I have spoken to about it so far have been against the refugees coming to the UK. It's not because they are from the middle east. It's because there are homeless people on the streets here, and housing is being offered to the refugees. It's like the British are being pushed aside, which is racist against us because we feel discriminated for being British. But we all must keep our mouths shut otherwise we will be the racist ones. But we are not racist. We just want our rights back, in our own country.

Sorry, I don't even know if that was anything to do with this thread but I'm just so angry because of what my future holds.

There. That's it. Why take in refugees while homeless people in this country are already being ignored?

-- "Easy To Be Hard", by Three Dog Night, 1969

It's funny how many super wealthy people espouse self-reliance but never had to work hard in their entire lives...also give their kids a free ride on the o'l gravy train...

Economic privilege is often passed down...

You might want to Google,
neurological characteristics conservatives

Especially when considering the extremes (ie liberal progressives vs religious conservatives), they actually do think differently, perceive differently, have different neurological reactions to perceived threats, problem solve differently, etc. etc...

Not everyone has family and friends and religious charities are far from adequate. Religious charities can also discriminate. What the government does now in terms of healthcare is largely inadequate.


"bums and dropouts" are off topic. I AM talking about REAL needy people. There are people in this country who's needs are not being met. People are placed under horrible stress. Conservatives do not want to help real needy people. You can see it in their policies regarding healthcare. Or do you believe poor people deserve to suffer and/or die because you deem them unworthy. Do you realize that SOMEONE has to do those minimum wage jobs? Those jobs would still exist even if EVERYONE obtained engineering degrees. Do you realize some people are unable to thrive in the workplace despite high intelligence and a good academic record? Your gross simplifications are dangerous and morally bankrupt.


Not everyone is exactly the f*****g same as you. Just because you have been homeless doesn't mean you have a clue what it's like to be in someone else's shoes. Also ASD is an extremely BROAD diagnosis. We're not all f*****g identical to YOU. Believe it or not most people would prefer to work.


You personally get to decide what you consider disabled. Sorry. That's not how it works. We have trained doctors decide for a reason. Not dumb bigots with attitudes. Go rot somewhere.

Extreme proponents of … what? Of the same principles which "moderate" leftists mouth every day. Both were showered, in their time, with admiration from Western leftists, even after the reports of mass killings began coming in.



I am a liberal (from Latin liber, freedom). Statists have no right to use the term.



The left, everywhere, is all about collective or group "rights," whose function is to nullify individual rights. The only people talking about individual rights nowadays are libertarians and classical liberals.



The right to property is an essential individual right. A person who labors, but has no claim to his product, is a slave. And just try practicing freedom of speech, or the press, if the State owns all the venues for speaking and all the presses.



'For Alcoholics Anonymous, binge drinking is fine'

'For vegans, eating a big juicy steak is fine'

'For pacifists, retaliation with overwhelming force is fine'

I don't self-identify as libertarian … but I can't get past this, because it's utter gibberish.