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12 Apr 2007, 11:11 pm

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My dad (who can be fairly racist) will use Jackson's complaints as evidence/proof that Blacks are all whiners and ne'er do wells.


Yeah, my dad is kind of a racist as well and has the same opinion about Jesse Jackson as yours.

Also, my parents lived in NY after they came here from Czech (and I later lived with them), so we saw first hand how divisive Jackson and Sharpton both were among the various minorities in NY. I can't understand why it matters that Imus (who is, by all accounts, an "equal opportunity offender") should be fired for some bad joke, yet Jesse Jackson still gets to maintain credibility after calling NY "Heimytown". And Al Sharpton still has credibility after the whole Tawana Brawley debacle. Give me a friggin' break.

As for comparing Imus to Mel Gibson or Michael Richards? That's another :roll: Imus was trying to be funny and failed. But Mel Gibson seemed pretty serious (albeit drunk) when he blamed all wars on Jews. And Michael Richards seemed pretty serious when he was talking about "get him out of here, he's a n*gger" at the laugh factory (not to mention the lynching reference). Imus was joking around. I'd understand if they wanted to fire him for not being very funny. But if they wanted to fire him for being a racist and misogynist - that's his shtick - why are they only now noticing?



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13 Apr 2007, 12:17 am

I think the difference between Imus, Gibson and "Kramer" is that of opportunity. Mel and Kramer ranted in desperation and in positions where they were clearly losing power. However, Kramer isn't working (much) and you can't really censure a guy who isn't in power or really doing anything. Mel went to rehab and basically sat it out while people ranted over his outburst. But the public got over it in time to see his latest movie. there was a window where the event blew over.
It's actually an interesting comparison and contrast.

Imus, poor schmuck, is working full time, is famously sober and is easy to shoot. He can't go to Bad Comedians Rehab nor hide anywhere. So, Jackson, Sharpton and NJ Senator, Nia Gill go after Imus and his show's sponsors. It's really a ridiculous situation and like I said, Jackson and Sharpton are going to make sure it backfires and makes them look the wolf-criers they are.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:26 am

imus and richards.....trying to be funny and failing. i think michaels put up a better effort about it...imus didn't think he did anything wrong at the time he did it.


as far as gibson goes....he's just a nazi racist. there's no two ways about that....passion of the christ portrayed jews under an extremely negative light and the new movie portrayed native central american tribes as primarily cannibalistic and too much emphasis on human sacrifice.


mel gibson has a history of racist views on other cultures....he just hides it as his "interpretation" of events or art or just trying to bully others into believing that his view is the historically accurate view.


what's ironic about imus is that al sharpton used more racial epithets to put down imus than imus himself used in the controversial skit/interview/whatever you wanna call it.



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13 Apr 2007, 6:59 am

He has been on the radio forever in NYC and has said lots of things that where far worse. I never really liked his show though always thought he was just plain mean and bitter man but firing him for this is a bit much


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13 Apr 2007, 8:58 am

I have a feeling that he'll be back on the air within the next 6 months. This scandal has created a lot of publicity about him, and has probably done more for his name recognition than anything else he has done for his show. Sure, CBS fired him, but there are plenty of other outlets.



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13 Apr 2007, 9:59 am

I'm a dirty, drooling, kilt-clad, slack-jawed, slur-spitting, Saxon dog. I can offend people and cause dames to faint without having to utter a word, and I can make a nice meal of the slime from my underarm. Please instruct Sharpton to get over himself. Even the n****rs I keep company with are sick of him. I can't stand any racist, which is part of the reason my pop and I are pretty estranged, and Sharpton is the king of them.



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13 Apr 2007, 10:04 am

parts wrote:
He has been on the radio forever in NYC and has said lots of things that where far worse. I never really liked his show though always thought he was just plain mean and bitter man but firing him for this is a bit much


I agree 100% with that statement.



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13 Apr 2007, 1:34 pm

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Al Sharpton is a fool. Never forget the Tawana Brawley incident!!


Speaking of which, this Don Imus incident has coincided with the official unmasking of another anti-white hoax: the Duke lacrosse case. The prosecutors dropped all charges on Wednesday.

If the US is anything like the UK, it will be the Don Imus incident, not the Duke lacrosse hoax that the media will agonize over for days to come.

You see, some might say, even though the accusations against the Duke lacrosse team were lies, the Don Imus incident shows us that the accusations expressed a "higher truth". :mrgreen:



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13 Apr 2007, 5:08 pm

Wow. I had only heard Imus' name once, and that was in Howard Stern's movie. I didn't even realize he was a real person, let alone still in radio. :P

I'm not quite sure what the big deal is with his particular episode. Shock jocks say all kinds of crazy and inane crap all the time. In this case, Imus said something particularly inflammatory. I say give him a whack from a rolled-up newspaper, and call it resolved. I don't see how a Congressional inquiry is necessary.

This feels reminds me of the whole Super Bowl XXXVIII "wardrobe malfunction" deal. People have weird priorities in this country.


Oh, and Duke sucks :P



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15 Apr 2007, 11:44 am

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Time for Jackson, Sharpton to Step Down
Pair See Potential for Profit, Attention in Imus Incident
By JASON WHITLOCK
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I’m calling for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the president and vice president of Black America, to step down.

Their leadership is stale. Their ideas are outdated. And they don’t give a damn about us.

We need to take a cue from White America and re-elect our leadership every four years. White folks realize that power corrupts. That’s why they placed term limits on the presidency. They know if you leave a man in power too long he quits looking out for the interest of his constituency and starts looking out for his own best interest.

We’ve turned Jesse and Al into Supreme Court justices. They get to speak for us for a lifetime.

Why?

If judged by the results they’ve produced the last 20 years, you’d have to regard their administration as a total failure. Seriously, compared to Martin and Malcolm and the freedoms and progress their leadership produced, Jesse and Al are an embarrassment.

Their job the last two decades was to show black people how to take advantage of the opportunities Martin and Malcolm won.

Have we at the level we should have? No.

Rather than inspire us to seize hard-earned opportunities, Jesse and Al have specialized in blackmailing white folks for profit and attention. They were at it again last week, helping to turn radio shock jock Don Imus’ stupidity into a world-wide crisis that reached its crescendo Tuesday afternoon when Rutgers women’s basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer led a massive pity party/recruiting rally.

Hey, what Imus said, calling the Rutgers players "nappy-headed hos," was ignorant, insensitive and offensive. But so are many of the words that come out of the mouths of radio shock jocks/comedians.

Imus’ words did no real damage. Let me tell you what damaged us this week: the sports cover of Tuesday’s USA Today. This country’s newspaper of record published a story about the NFL and crime and ran a picture of 41 NFL players who were arrested in 2006. By my count, 39 of those players were black.

You want to talk about a damaging, powerful image, an image that went out across the globe?

We’re holding news conferences about Imus when the behavior of NFL players is painting us as lawless and immoral. Come on. We can do better than that. Jesse and Al are smarter than that.

Had Imus’ predictably poor attempt at humor not been turned into an international incident by the deluge of media coverage, 97 percent of America would’ve never known what Imus said. His platform isn’t that large and it has zero penetration into the sports world.

Imus certainly doesn’t resonate in the world frequented by college women. The insistence by these young women that they have been emotionally scarred by an old white man with no currency in their world is laughably dishonest.

The Rutgers players are nothing more than pawns in a game being played by Jackson, Sharpton and Stringer.

Jesse and Al are flexing their muscle and setting up their next sting. Bringing down Imus, despite his sincere attempts at apologizing, would serve notice to their next potential victim that it is far better to pay up than stand up to Jesse and Al James.

Stringer just wanted her 15 minutes to make the case that she’s every bit as important as Pat Summitt and Geno Auriemma. By the time Stringer’s rambling, rapping and rhyming 30-minute speech was over, you’d forgotten that Tennessee won the national championship and just assumed a racist plot had been hatched to deny the Scarlet Knights credit for winning it all.

Maybe that’s the real crime. Imus’ ignorance has taken attention away from Candace Parker’s and Summitt’s incredible accomplishment. Or maybe it was Sharpton’s, Stringer’s and Jackson’s grandstanding that moved the spotlight from Tennessee to New Jersey?

None of this over-the-top grandstanding does Black America any good.

We can’t win the war over verbal disrespect and racism when we have so obviously and blatantly surrendered the moral high ground on the issue. Jesse and Al might win the battle with Imus and get him fired or severely neutered. But the war? We don’t stand a chance in the war. Not when everybody knows “nappy-headed ho’s” is a compliment compared to what we allow black rap artists to say about black women on a daily basis.

We look foolish and cruel for kicking a man who went on Sharpton’s radio show and apologized. Imus didn’t pull a Michael Richards and schedule an interview on Letterman. Imus went to the Black vice president’s house, acknowledged his mistake and asked for forgiveness.

Let it go and let God.

We have more important issues to deal with than Imus. If we are unwilling to clean up the filth and disrespect we heap on each other, nothing will change with our condition. You can fire every Don Imus in the country, and our incarceration rate, fatherless-child rate, illiteracy rate and murder rate will still continue to skyrocket.

A man who doesn’t respect himself wastes his breath demanding that others respect him.

We don’t respect ourselves right now. If we did, we wouldn’t call each other the N-word. If we did, we wouldn’t let people with prison values define who we are in music and videos. If we did, we wouldn’t call black women b*****s and hos and abandon them when they have our babies.

If we had the proper level of self-respect, we wouldn’t act like it’s only a crime when a white man disrespects us. We hold Imus to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. That’s a (freaking) shame.

We need leadership that is interested in fixing the culture we’ve adopted. We need leadership that makes all of us take tremendous pride in educating ourselves. We need leadership that can reach professional athletes and entertainers and get them to understand that they’re ambassadors and play an important role in defining who we are and what values our culture will embrace.

It’s time for Jesse and Al to step down. They’ve had 25 years to lead us. Other than their accountants, I’d be hard pressed to find someone who has benefited from their administration


While I think MLK Jr and Malcom X were progressive leaders for their people, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are a bunch of racist, pc, hypocrite belly-achers who merely blame everything under the blue sky on white people.
yes, malcom was a bit racist against whites during his rise, but it was during a point in time where whites actually did oppress and segregate blacks, so I can cut him some slack. Because he learned later on of the error of his ways, and his new message was to unite people of all colors, religions, backgrounds, etc. I think Farrakhan might have had Malcom assassinated for reaching a message of inter-racial unity.
As for Don Imus, well I definately do not support ignorant statements, however, and I definately don't back him in his support of the Combat Autism bill, but I don't understand how calling people "nappy headed hos" is racist against blacks. It's a slight stretch to call it a sexist comment, but I can see how they've derived that from it, even if it was a long stretch. Gangsta rappers call women stuff like that all the time, and women don't care about it. In fact they like those men (although much of this is due to the rap trend of the current generation).



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15 Apr 2007, 11:52 am

skafather84 wrote:
Time for Jackson, Sharpton to Step Down
Pair See Potential for Profit, Attention in Imus Incident
By JASON WHITLOCK
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I’m calling for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the president and vice president of Black America, to step down.

Their leadership is stale. Their ideas are outdated. And they don’t give a damn about us.


I think a huge part of the problem is the media - they eat up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson just because, they're provocative and progressive. CORE, the media seems to do whatever it can to forget conservative black America which in fact seems to be growing at quite a rate - probably because my generation grew up past the old hurdle, grew up where NAACP and ACLU extortion is some really stale air, and they feel like Jesse and Al insult them far more than represent them (which is very encouraging, I'm just waiting for all the baby-boomer and oldskool hippie spin-doctors to retire from controlling the media and higher education).



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15 Apr 2007, 1:21 pm

I don't like Imus, and originally thought his comments were terrible and racist. After listening to them in context I thought they were just terrible. I thought a 2 week suspension was fair. I have no clue why the FCC would be investigating him, seems like they are changing the rules again (don't other radio stations use language like this all the time?).

Jesse Jackson is a pariah, and Al Sharpton is worse (not because they are black, either).

Imus is going to get some huge contract to perform on Satellite radio probably.

EDITED: Poor wording.



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15 Apr 2007, 4:58 pm

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15 Apr 2007, 5:58 pm

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I don't like Imus, and originally thought his comments were terrible and racist. After listening to them in context I thought they were just terrible. I thought a 2 week suspension was fair. I have no clue why the FCC would be investigating him, seems like they are changing the rules again (don't other radio stations use language like this all the time?).

Jackson, but especially Sharpton are pariahs.

Imus is going to get some huge contract to perform on Satellite radio probably.


i doubt he'll get a huge one...the howard stern gambit is starting to not pay off for serius radio(costing them a ton).


i still don't get how his comments are terrible. he made a stupid comment but i'd hardly call it terrible. it's terrible because al sharpton took up a cause against him.

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^ i think this guy makes a decent point.



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16 Apr 2007, 12:09 am

nobody here ask themselves why ? and try to come up with something that makes sense.
the media works a certain way,a partern,noone knows all,but if u know how they operate u can expect what is next,and every BIG news has to do with something for people to talk about,then it becomes part of our hard drive called brain,which for some people it is real hard indeed.

this was to make people know,that when u mess up,ur fired! so shut the hell up! and why now? because they need to take rosie o'dennell off the air,and there are petitions to get her out,because of what she has lately said,imus? who? imus? i didnt know the guy,now he is hollywood because of a simple insult he said,what about other people like o'reilly,mencia,glenn beck,the neocon nazi tranny ann coulter and the whole propaganda tools disrespecting people for their ideas?
no they utilizing blacks because they know they get angry quick when u talk about their race, this to let people know who is the boss,and behave,big brother is watching!

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16 Apr 2007, 3:03 am

Yet many celebrities bounce back after saying or doing something offensive.

Look at Paul Reubens/Pee-Wee Hermann. He was caught pleasuring himself in an adult movie theater, and is still quite popular.

And Jerry Lee Lewis, who sang "Great Balls of Fire", supposedly married his cousin. His cousin, Jimmy Swaggart, a televangelist, was caught with a prostitute in a hotel. He still has a ministry on TV.

And let's not forget Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (I'm surprised their names haven't come up yet). Those two guys practically get away with murder.

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