Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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When you really think about the girls reaction to him and about his room mate taking his comment "I might aswell kill myself" seriously. It seems pretty clear that people around campus knew this guy was a problem, and thats why he had no freinds.

I also think that fact has probably been played down by the university big time! And by the students themselves. Which is maybe why you've heard people say they "thought he was just a bit odd" as opposed to saying "yeah I knew he was gonna kill those people in fact he told me so the week before. But I really couldn't be bothered to mention it to the authorities because I was too busy chasing tail around campus".

But that goes back to my argument that cultural differences can preclude an accurate diagnosis. In Korea people think you're an a**hole if you maintain eye contact - in the U.S. the NT's expect it. Those sorts of subtleties would make it damn difficult to diagnose Cho with ASD.

Yep, way I see it you've got somebody who has some sort of problem that we don't really know much about. And there's no way we can be sure what we are hearing about Cho is all true. So IMO the video is all we can really go on.

We do know that his condition lead to mass murder and him proclaiming himself to be like Jesus. Which makes NPD more likely than AS in my opinion.

I also thought it sounds as if he has a monotone voice. Which is 1 symptom of AS but nobody could diagnose AS on that basis.

That is the only factual evidence I know of to support the diagnosis of AS, inso far as I'm aware the rest of it is hear say uncovered or made up by the press in their haste to get the scoop 1st.

Cho apparently didn't have many freinds. Well of course he doesn't would you admit you were his freind? It's amazing how quickly your freinds abandon you when you do something like this! Even if he was the most popular guy on campus nobodies gonna actually come out and say "I was his freind" after this.

Then of course everybody wants to be on camera and give the press a story which cannot be about what a great guy he is. That would effectively be what NT's refer to as "social suicide". Nor can they say that any individual or group was Cho's freind (at least not without feeling thay are being a grass or a snitch) because that would be "social homicide" (if you said that Jimmy was Cho's mate you could be ruining Jimmy's entire life certainly his whole time at Uni nobody would want to know him). Even if somebody did say that it might never be broadcast anyway depending on how the media decided to spin the story (in that case the press would just grab the nearest person willing to say something that they do like).

Last one, I promise.

In the 8th grade, Cho was suspended for making a hit list of his classmates. I'm sure he was given a psychological evaluation at that time by the school system and was labeled with something. According to his grandparents in South Korea, Cho apparently ceased to exist in his parents' correspondence. What does that say about his parents?

I'm sure the pastor was trying to help and encourage his parents to get him help. The school systems here do diagnose students with obvious problems. They are mandated by law to do so and to provide appropriate services including psychological counseling. It is the kids with the very subtle problems who fall through the cracks. I don't think Cho's problems were subtle.

That's insulting and disrespectful, not to mention thoroughly juvenile. VT didn't discriminate against Cho. That is pretty obvious.

wtf violentcloud? that's disgusting.

Ehh, my bad.

Ahh, not bad, we all feel this way sometimes... Perhaps the following applies. My post on AFF about the subject.

And hey, the guy I’m posting to here, Max the Bear, is a really good soul. I’m not taking offense at him. And I didn’t include all of his posts... which can cause this to be taken out of context.

Take a reading trip over to AFF for the full thread.

Read on...

Normals tend toward mob mentality, looking for a simplistic answer. When the lemmings start to move, get out of the way!

The Third Reich perfected mob control, spreading the Big Lie around massively through the media to give the impression that "everyone knows that...." Groupies instinctually buy into it and start what's called a "buzz" that spreads it even further. It's what they used to turn a Jew-loving country into a Jew-killing country in seven years.

Mob control is hitting what you aim at.

LoL! You've never driven on the highway during rush hour or worked as a clerk at a shopping center. The estimate of 1% of the population having narcissistic personality disorder is an arbitrary cut-off, but subclinical narcissistic behavior and attitudes at least are far from uncommon.

Cho definitely had the clinical sign of grandiosity, but grandiosity can be found in paranoid personality disorder, paranoid schizophrenia, psychopathy, manic episodes, and some organic and substance-induced psychiatric impairments as well as in narcissistic personality disorder. His videos were also heavily narcissistic as well as paranoid. I still lean towards paranoid personality disorder over narcissistic personality disorder because that disorder includes the grandiosity as well as the evident social withdrawal, the focus on slights and vengeance, and basically the more disordered personality structure.

There were times that delusions of grandeur were tempting, compared to reality....

But you can say that anything is sub clinical. A diagnosis is clinical judgment. Nobody is actually anything. There is a sliding scale for everything. Diagnosis is there to be useful. The problem in rush hour and at the checkout is wider part of human nature. Labelling vast amount of people narcissistic serves no purpose.

Well, the self-centered jerk might not be a big enough jerk to qualify for a personality disorder diagnosis, or he or she might otherwise fall through the diagnostic cracks (not the least being that the typical jerk/@ssh*le/b**ch does not seek psychotherapy or other treatment, and their personality isn't highly treatable regardless).

Narcissistic personality disorder, as defined in the DSM-IV-TR, focuses on the exhibitionistic kind of narcissist, the one who craves people's adoration and praise. What about a person who is self-centered, exploitative, but emotionally distant instead of obsequious? That may start to sound like antisocial personality disorder instead but subtract impulsivity, irritability, and a criminal record. Such a person would have an inflexible enough personality to qualify for a personality disorder but would not quite meet the diagnostic criteria for any of them.

A significant percentage of the population is rude and selfish without meeting the formal definition for any specific personality disorder. I'd say perhaps 10-15% of the population could be labeled as subclinical narcissists because their behavior and attitude are that bad.