Does anyone ever feel like Data or Spock from Star Trek?

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26 Apr 2016, 4:40 pm

While we're on Star Trek, it's interesting to me personally to note that DS9 (as I noted) is my favorite, and it's the only one to not have a Data/Spock style "emotionless/logic-oriented" character. It does have Odo, who I relate to more strongly than any of them as an "outsider" who knows he will always be different but nonetheless appreciates and wishes to help and understand people; while still maintaining his own strongly-held principles and perspectives.


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26 Apr 2016, 4:51 pm

Only sci fi I liked was 2001 rather than kitchy characters our culture holds dear.



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26 Apr 2016, 8:38 pm

StarTrekker wrote:
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DS9's characters just seemed flat and one-dimensional as well.

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However, if anyone has anything to say that might redeem DS9 in my eyes, please tell me, because I really want to like it, otherwise, how can I call myself a real trekkie?!


You stopped... about right before DS9 started developing the characters.

Granted, DS9 is more "man vs man" (or "civ vs civ") conflict-driven than "man vs self" or even "man vs tech", which makes it something of a standout among Treks... but over the course of seasons 4-7 they explored most of the characters at a deeper level and I'm not going into spoilers! But they gave Quark depth, they gave Sisko depth... Kira honestly always stays kinda shallow - or that's my bias because the whole Bajoran-religion thing really really peeves me... Julian gets depth as well as a group of peers that are straight outta the DSM criteria for ASD... plus I believe if I were to pull out calendars, DS9 attempted "smart sex symbol" with Leeta the dabo girl before Seven joined Voyager... even Dukat got depth.

I appreciated DS9's willingness to critically examine The Uniform and the Doodies that come with it. I also thought the situations in which regulars were put that tested their "core" beliefs and principles to be more skilfully and subtly written... Picard is my favorite captain, but come on, "Picard has to cut a baby in half" was the rising action in a few too many storylines in TNG.

So, ignore the soap opera cut shots ("Now hold that expression of anguish for three more seconds! This is leading into our commercial break!") - DS9 is worth a chance. Probably won't end up being your favorite, from the sound of things, but you really did watch the wrong half of the show :)



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26 Apr 2016, 9:08 pm

They gave Quark depth. They gave that whole stupid species depth. Sorry, I just never liked the Ferengi. So, if they made me enjoy those clowns, well....that's a miracle. LOL

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...willingness to critically examine The Uniform and the Doodies...
HAHAHahahahahahaha!! I don't know if you meant it, but having been in the military, it is a crappy job! LOL

Well, l for me it was...

I'm an artist with all the attendant quirks and rebelliousness, I'm an Aspie...don;t do well with authority, don't do well with boundaries, went through a lot of confusion, was discovering aspects of myself that was completely counter to the miltary at the time and really not so ok even today.

So, bad match...the first of many really, really bad mistakes.


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zkydz wrote:
They gave Quark depth. They gave that whole stupid species depth. Sorry, I just never liked the Ferengi. So, if they made me enjoy those clowns, well....that's a miracle. LOL

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...willingness to critically examine The Uniform and the Doodies...
HAHAHahahahahahaha!! I don't know if you meant it, but having been in the military, it is a crappy job! LOL

Well, l for me it was...

I'm an artist with all the attendant quirks and rebelliousness, I'm an Aspie...don;t do well with authority, don't do well with boundaries, went through a lot of confusion, was discovering aspects of myself that was completely counter to the military at the time and really not so ok even today.

So, bad match...the first of many really, really bad mistakes.


I meant it. Words are fun!

I am sorry you had to go through that.
I spent a couple months on base as a civilian, and found it completely overstimulating.
It was like being on Camazotz, from A Wrinkle In Time.

But - your "mistakes", remember, are actually lessons because you discovered all those aspects of yourself :wink:
(I say to you, because I say the same thing to myself when the mistakes of the past loom large and numerous.)



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30 Apr 2016, 7:54 am

Sometimes I feel a lot like Reginald Barclay from ST: TNG.



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30 Apr 2016, 8:02 am

I feel like eugene from the walking dead who gives off a similar awkward endlessly processing vibe, except I end up ranting like a madman instead of delivering a somehow simultaneously florid and robotic succinct analysis of a situation.


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30 Apr 2016, 8:15 am

I just feel like a big, neurotic ball of stress.


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30 Apr 2016, 9:49 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I just feel like a big, neurotic ball of stress.
At the least, this would just make you a 'Ballsy' person....Jus' keep on rollin', rollin', rollin'...keep them doggies rolling....rawwwwHIDE!! !! !


sooo.....when you finish groaning, you are welcome to burn a tiny 'fetish' doll to make me pay for such bad punauchery.

I was arrested once for being a punographer......The charge was crossing state lines with intent to practice under prepared jokes.....


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04 May 2016, 8:24 am

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^ I too thought B5 was an excellent show.
Did you see the episode where 5 billion years passed and the last human was observing the history banks as the sun was about to go kaflooey?
Sorry, I forgot about this. Yes, I've seen it; I've seen every episode at least twice (when they aired and when I checked the DVD), and some I have watched over and over and over. It was a very interesting episode, it was exciting to see how the history continued and how it was seen in future times, the debates that would come up later.


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04 May 2016, 8:34 am

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^ I too thought B5 was an excellent show.
Did you see the episode where 5 billion years passed and the last human was observing the history banks as the sun was about to go kaflooey?
Sorry, I forgot about this. Yes, I've seen it; I've seen every episode at least twice (when they aired and when I checked the DVD), and some I have watched over and over and over. It was a very interesting episode, it was exciting to see how the history continued and how it was seen in future times, the debates that would come up later.
They had good writers on the show. My favorite TV quote came from that show.

"I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, 'wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?' So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."

It was the first show that showed what space combat would most likely be like. No spitfires in space; worked with Newtonian physics in their 'space choreography.'


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04 May 2016, 1:29 pm

^ I actually had a note book with lots of quotes from the show at one point, because there were so may I liked. They did have good writers indeed.

Did you ever read any of the books in the series? I did, and while they aren't all equally good, the good ones were really good IMO.


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04 May 2016, 1:39 pm

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^ I actually had a note book with lots of quotes from the show at one point, because there were so may I liked. They did have good writers indeed.

Did you ever read any of the books in the series? I did, and while they aren't all equally good, the good ones were really good IMO.

I never read the books themselves. I don't read much fiction. I did read the comic series though as it was designed to compliment the show and fill in gaps.

For instance, when Talia Winters got her conditioning accidentally broken early and it turned out she was a sleeper agent for the Shadows, it was foreshadowed in the comic.

You should go to the IMDB page and read the quotes there. There are some gems. Especially from Marcus.


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What's the IMDB page?


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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105946/

Quotes from Marcus:

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0012583/quotes

Fun ones like this one:
"Babylon 5: Ceremonies of Light and Dark (#3.11)" (1996)
[Marcus has just cleared out a bar, single-handedly]
Lennier: I see they trained you well back home.
Marcus Cole: Well, they said I was carrying around a lot of repressed anger.
Lennier: And?
Marcus Cole: I'm not repressed anymore!

The actor really had fun with the role.


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04 May 2016, 6:27 pm

zkydz wrote:
I never read the books themselves. I don't read much fiction. I did read the comic series though as it was designed to compliment the show and fill in gaps.

For instance, when Talia Winters got her conditioning accidentally broken early and it turned out she was a sleeper agent for the Shadows, it was foreshadowed in the comic.

You should go to the IMDB page and read the quotes there. There are some gems. Especially from Marcus.
One of the books is considered canon, "To dream in the city of sorrows" by Kathryn M Drennan. I would personally have preferred more about Catherine Sakai and Marcus Cole, but that's just me.

Marcus Cole was an interesting character with some witty lines. Sheridan and Galen also had a lot of good lines. And Ivanova. The below is one of my fave scenes:


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