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03 Feb 2016, 1:24 am

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Why do autism specialists want to stamp out autistic traits?
In my job search, I’ve discovered something toxic: Many view autistic traits as something to be erased. And they are rewarded – and employed – for those views.

In the past few months, sites like Charity Village in Hamilton offered between three and six jobs a week for autism specialists – which requires training in ABA, or Advanced Behaviour Analysis.
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People who would be good at letting autistics live in the world are repeatedly shut out of the advocacy program.
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While spectrum adults in their early 20s are working out how to create a world that allows for a wide range of cultural and social diversities, the parents of children a generation younger are often doing everything in their power to erase us.


What perplexes me is why people are so afraid of autism. So afraid that most can't even consider that there is value to us in our experience and expression. Neurotypicals value their type of social interaction so much that they think it is a good thing to deny autistic people the right to live as they were born.



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03 Feb 2016, 2:36 am

I guess it is because they are afraid for their children's future due to autism, like if their children will be independent adults, will be able to communicate, go to school, have a career, have relationships, etc. They may be worried that their newly diagnosed 2 or 3 year old will never do these things without the recommended ABA.


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03 Feb 2016, 4:36 am

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I guess it is because they are afraid for their children's future due to autism, like if their children will be independent adults, will be able to communicate, go to school, have a career, have relationships, etc. They may be worried that their newly diagnosed 2 or 3 year old will never do these things without the recommended ABA.

It's only my opinion, but I think if society was more supportive of autistic self expression and experience then we would be stronger as adults. ABA teaches that there is something wrong with the way you are. No one can recover from this message. It's fundamentally damaging to the psyche to be taught that your self expression is flawed. Now there are exceptions, for example, violent or self-destructive behaviour. But beyond this, I think the autistic person should be left to function in the way they feel comfortable.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:07 am

I agree. I have an 8 year old son in second grade. I stopped the ABA and put him in a regular second grade class. He's doing fine (quirks and all) and the other kids seem to be accepting him they way he is as well. There's only one thing I'd wish he'd stop doing which is putting toys and or other objects against his two front teeth. It's kind of like people who put pencils and pens in their mouth but a bit more excessive. I'm hoping he'll learn to control the urge as he gets older. I only worry because of the germs. Other kids don't seem to care about it.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:20 am

androbot01 wrote:
Globe & Mail

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Why do autism specialists want to stamp out autistic traits?
In my job search, I’ve discovered something toxic: Many view autistic traits as something to be erased. And they are rewarded – and employed – for those views.

In the past few months, sites like Charity Village in Hamilton offered between three and six jobs a week for autism specialists – which requires training in ABA, or Advanced Behaviour Analysis.
...
People who would be good at letting autistics live in the world are repeatedly shut out of the advocacy program.
...
While spectrum adults in their early 20s are working out how to create a world that allows for a wide range of cultural and social diversities, the parents of children a generation younger are often doing everything in their power to erase us.


What perplexes me is why people are so afraid of autism. So afraid that most can't even consider that there is value to us in our experience and expression. Neurotypicals value their type of social interaction so much that they think it is a good thing to deny autistic people the right to live as they were born.


It's Applied Behavior Analysis and does not always have to be in opposition to neurodiversity. I've noticed that most people who work with autistic kids are receptive to the idea that stimming and similar autistic behaviors do not need to be suppressed. The main goal of ABA therapists that I've encountered is to promote communication be it verbal, sign, typing, and/or PECS.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:29 am

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He's doing fine (quirks and all) and the other kids seem to be accepting him they way he is as well.

That's the good thing about autism being known about now. People will learn there is nothing to be afraid of. Leave it to kids to be more accepting than adults.

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There's only one thing I'd wish he'd stop doing which is putting toys and or other objects against his two front teeth. It's kind of like people who put pencils and pens in their mouth but a bit more excessive.

I would suggest a compromise. Something to chew on would be good, but you don't want it to look like a soother as he will be teased. Maybe some sort of straw. Just don't let him start biting his nails. This is what I resorted to at his age and talk about germs!


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It's Applied Behavior Analysis

I should have put a sic there.
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... and does not always have to be in opposition to neurodiversity. I've noticed that most people who work with autistic kids are receptive to the idea that stimming and similar autistic behaviors do not need to be suppressed. The main goal of ABA therapists that I've encountered is to promote communication be it verbal, sign, typing, and/or PECS.

That's good, but other things are important too. I've often thought reflection is undervalued.



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03 Feb 2016, 12:08 pm

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It's Applied Behavior Analysis

I should have put a sic there.
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... and does not always have to be in opposition to neurodiversity. I've noticed that most people who work with autistic kids are receptive to the idea that stimming and similar autistic behaviors do not need to be suppressed. The main goal of ABA therapists that I've encountered is to promote communication be it verbal, sign, typing, and/or PECS.

That's good, but other things are important too. I've often thought reflection is undervalued.


I'm not sure what you mean. Reflection on what?


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03 Feb 2016, 12:31 pm

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I'm not sure what you mean. Reflection on what?

On whatever grabs your interest.



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03 Feb 2016, 12:40 pm

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I'm not sure what you mean. Reflection on what?

On whatever grabs your interest.

Like integrating therapy with a special interest similar to what Jacob Barnett's mom did?


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03 Feb 2016, 12:48 pm

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androbot01 wrote:
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I'm not sure what you mean. Reflection on what?

On whatever grabs your interest.

Like integrating therapy with a special interest similar to what Jacob Barnett's mom did?

Sure. Why not?



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03 Feb 2016, 12:52 pm

Oh, duh .... I thought Jacob Barnett was someone you knew.

I just googled him. For sure, kids should follow where there interests take them. That's the trouble with school - figures we all have to learn exactly the same stuff. Cookie cutters.



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03 Feb 2016, 1:07 pm

I think ABA is harmful, even the modern ABA that purports to be nice playtime with therapist.
I think autistic children should be taught skills and mindset of being independent as adult, not entirely left to function however they are.
It depends on intellectual ability too, so I will limit my statements to HFA.
LFA has the problem of mental retardation too, so they may have much more problems learning skills or being independent ever.


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03 Feb 2016, 1:12 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I think ABA is harmful, even the modern ABA that purports to be nice playtime with therapist.
I think autistic children should be taught skills and mindset of being independent as adult, not entirely left to function however they are.
It depends on intellectual ability too, so I will limit my statements to HFA.
LFA has the problem of mental retardation too, so they may have much more problems learning skills or being independent ever.

I agree.
Communication is crucial to survival and needs to be encouraged. ABA, though, strips a child of their nature. It makes them perform needless tasks in order to dominate their entire perspective. It's unnecessary and destructive.



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03 Feb 2016, 1:14 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I think ABA is harmful, even the modern ABA that purports to be nice playtime with therapist.
I think autistic children should be taught skills and mindset of being independent as adult, not entirely left to function however they are.
It depends on intellectual ability too, so I will limit my statements to HFA.
LFA has the problem of mental retardation too, so they may have much more problems learning skills or being independent ever.

How do you suggest teaching skills for being independent such as communication if not with ABA?


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03 Feb 2016, 1:15 pm

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btbnnyr wrote:
I think ABA is harmful, even the modern ABA that purports to be nice playtime with therapist.
I think autistic children should be taught skills and mindset of being independent as adult, not entirely left to function however they are.
It depends on intellectual ability too, so I will limit my statements to HFA.
LFA has the problem of mental retardation too, so they may have much more problems learning skills or being independent ever.

How do you suggest teaching skills for being independent such as communication if not with ABA?

I'm gonna give that some thought. I'll be back.



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03 Feb 2016, 1:53 pm

ABA is a form of conditioning and as such has the potential to do much good when applied to learned behaviors - and the potential for much harm when applied to innate ones. Skills for independence can be taught using traditional teaching methods, as they are additive learning. Elimination of socially unacceptable behaviors via operant conditioning (which is at the heart of ABA) causes tremendous amounts of stress and anxiety. Far more productive is teaching the person to learn to identify when they are about to do something unacceptable, find a temporary acceptable alternative, and then recognize when they've had enough and need time to decompress/decompose.

So called "reparative" therapy for sexuality & gender identity is just now being outlawed as cruel. There's no reason ABA should not follow suit if pressure is applied and parents are educated. The problem in both cases was/is that the people pushing the therapy stand to make money off it and the parents want a child who will conform so that they the parents don't have to change. Educating the greater society is most effective solution.


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