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24 Feb 2016, 7:48 pm

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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?

Yes, Mexico and Central American governments facilitate the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Mexican law in fact states that illegally entering Mexico carries a 5 year prison sentence to make it about abundantly clear to those from Central America that they will not be tolerated in the country. Look up 'el tren de la muetre', Trump is completely right when he says the leaders of these countries are taking advantage of us. Something like a third of the population of El Salvador lives in the United States, it is insane. Standing up to these corrupt leaders is what the people of these countries need, they need to take control of their own countries from their ruling oligarchies.


Well then the flawed war on drugs might need to really be addressed....considering a lot of the instability and corruption in those regions ties into that. And I'd need a source that 1/3 of El Salvador lives in the U.S, also who lives there now then if a 1/3 has moved here...that would be lot of open land.

And again how would Trump propose he make Mexico pay for his wall...does he think they're just going to say 'oh yes gladly we'll foot the bill for this ridiculous wall please like us?' Also where on earth does he think Mexico would come up with that kind of money....everyone kind of knows Mexico isn't exactly a financially stable place and poverty is an even bigger problem there than it is here. So I figure either empty threats or worse is his great plan?


Sweetleaf, I think we're pretty close on a lot of issues and you won't hear an argument from me against this war on drugs or criminal justice reform or any of that type of stuff. I think you'd probably be surprised at Trump's positions on things like health care and social security, I think he's a pretty open minded individual that cares about this country. Trump doesn't want to be president to run this country into the ground, do you think ego allow that? He's not stupid and as someone that isn't owned by anyone I think he might actually want to make America great and use his business acumen and strong leadership to do it instead of paying of the cronies on Wall Street and in the MIC. He's quite cognizant of the wage issue but that ties right into the immigration one so much because Big Business in the United States because not only do we have the issue of illegal immigration but these businesses also use legal foreign workers to undercut American wages and benefits, a lot of these businesses use these legal guest workers as essentially slaves.

Like I said, the US could slap a tariff on imports from Mexico and they could put a tax on remittance payments from the US to Mexico which would FORCE Mexico, lest they want economic ruin, to cooperate with our immigration policies and help in repatriating their citizens that are here illegally in the United States. There is nothing they can do to stop a tariff or a tax on remittance payments besides complain to the international community, that takes place in our country not theirs. As for 1/3rd number it is possible that was an exaggeration but it is at least 20% possibly more according to reliable sources and this number will likely continue to climb as Mexico facilitates the transfer of Central Americans thru their country to our border. A decent percentage of the Mexican population is living in the United States as well, we need to get tough with the corrupt leadership of these countries and the people living in these countries need to make their own country great and there is no reason except the greed and corruption in Mexico that it is as bad as it is because it is a country of VAST natural resources and have an amazing unique culture of their own. This would be the best thing to ever happen to Mexico. Mexico's southern border is A LOT smaller than ours, there is no reason that can't be controlled. The US needs to shift its focus to this hemisphere instead of worrying about what is happening in Ukraine or the Middle East.

Also how is Trump a parasite of Wall Street? He's a real estate mogul who built buildings in Manhattan as well as hotels, casinos, and golf courses all around the world. He employs over 20,000 people, Trump is not money manipulator and I think he made his fortune in an honest way that didn't destroy lives unlike say Mitt Romney. He's a very wealthy, very successful man, now he wants to use his talents and leadership for the United States.



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24 Feb 2016, 7:52 pm

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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?



I can tell you in one word---or acronym---why that won't work: NAFTA.

Trump has no Constitutional authority to unilaterally abrogate a treaty, which, under the Supremacy Clause, is the supreme law of the land.



When has the constitution ever stopped Dubya or Obama? NAFTA will be put into the ash bin of history where it belongs. Trump is a deal maker, he isn't going to be a partisan leader, no one else even compares in this regard so don't worry about how right now because one way or another NAFTA and this TPP will get thrown out.



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16 Sep 2019, 7:00 pm

To Keep America Great.

Look at any economic measure and compare that to previous presidents.

Okay nobody is perfect but with Trump you have someone who wants the best for AMERICA, and who isn't in league to people you can't see. This is a patriotic president, who is willing to stand up to huge powers, including China, to protect jobs for American citizens. How many others would do that...?

People against Trump either seem to be blinded by hatred, or just ignorant/brainwashed by the lying media, or alternatively looking for someone who is perfect. You are not going to get perfection but you are sure going to find a lot worse than Trump.



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16 Sep 2019, 7:12 pm

not one goddamned reason on this hellworld called earth.



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17 Sep 2019, 7:53 am

I want to see more rioting.



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17 Sep 2019, 2:25 pm

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To Keep America Great.

Look at any economic measure and compare that to previous presidents.

Aside from one year (2008), pretty much every economic measure has consistently gone up for every developed country for several decades. There's nothing special about the Trump presidency in that regard. Look at a graph of any economic measure and you won't see any change in the trajectory when Trump becomes president.

Worth noting that Trump was very keen to take credit for the historic highs of the stock market (again, continuing a long term trend) right up until the moment he crashed it.

America was respected the world over under Obama. Now you're a global laughing stock. But people will forget about the Trump era very quickly - we want to love America because when it is at its best it is such a glorious place, and these dark few years will soon be overlooked once normal service resumes.
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Okay nobody is perfect but with Trump you have someone who wants the best for AMERICA, and who isn't in league to people you can't see. This is a patriotic president, who is willing to stand up to huge powers, including China, to protect jobs for American citizens. How many others would do that...?

I'm not sure I can understand this point of view. Every president wants what's best for America, they're all Americans. Trump is the first president in a long time where there have been serious doubts about his loyalties. He is very soft on Russia for example.

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People against Trump either seem to be blinded by hatred, or just ignorant/brainwashed by the lying media, or alternatively looking for someone who is perfect. You are not going to get perfection but you are sure going to find a lot worse than Trump.

You've already had perfect - Barack Obama. Nobody thinks Trump has to be as good as Obama, that would be unrealistic - but he's a very bad president. It would be nice if he was as good as, say, the average congressman.

This is a man who is on record making multiple racist and sexist statements, threatening to start pointless wars, and generally showing his ignorance every time he opens his mouth. Just read the man's Tweets, listen to his public statements, look at the impact of his policies - this is not a man capable of competent governance.



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17 Sep 2019, 2:42 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
... This is a man who is on record making multiple racist and sexist statements, threatening to start pointless wars, and generally showing his ignorance every time he opens his mouth. Just read the man's Tweets, listen to his public statements, look at the impact of his policies - this is not a man capable of competent governance.
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But Trump is against abortion!   That means he's a Good Christian!   And America is a Christian Nation!

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17 Sep 2019, 3:03 pm

I see a lot of pro-Trump people displaying what seems to be some form of cognitive dissonance. Some will even go so far as to state the opposite of what Mr. Trump has said or done when describing him.

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17 Sep 2019, 3:15 pm

... So basically he's your guy if you're terrified of poor people.


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17 Sep 2019, 3:23 pm

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... So basically he's your guy if you're terrified of poor people.
... and immigrants ... and Muslims (except Saudi princes) ... and Puerto Ricans ... and women ... and intellectuals ... and journalists ... and blacks ...


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17 Sep 2019, 3:28 pm

I'm not sure if I'm more depressed by being autistic or by the gullibility of the American right.

Who am I kidding? These people are dead set on gambling the entire planet for their "told you so" moment.


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17 Sep 2019, 9:16 pm

if they are not "deplorable," then what ARE they? :scratch: