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24 Feb 2016, 11:23 am

^ Winter IS coming 8O. Lets hope Dems get their heads out of their asses in time for super Tuesday. No one knows who Michael Bloomberg is. If he did run, he'd get as much support as O'Malley did I'm guessing. Biden could have an actual shot if Hillary does have to pull out though.

Here's the actual lay of the delegates right now, Clinton has 503 to Bernies 70:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0

Hilary has 52 legit delegates to Bernies 51. It's far from over and the Super Delegates have slowly trickled over to Bernies side. Personally I think it's a scam, that most super delegates haven't actually committed yet and it's just being reported that she has all the undecided supers.



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24 Feb 2016, 11:36 am

¿Holy $hit is this the guy who hands the Koch bros. the gitmo closing contract?


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24 Feb 2016, 12:09 pm

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Trump is winning Republican women and Hispanics

tell me who this 'hinged' candidate is and I'll tell you why you are wrong

just to repeat one more time, Bernie Sanders won't even be allowed to sniff the nomination. Hillary Clinton has already all but clinched it.


We'll see I suppose...and I don't know that he will win just that he's the only viable candidate.


viable = winning

The DNC has a completely rigged process, Hillary has 600 delegates to Bernie's like 30 and you need like 2300 to clinch it. Bernie is going to get crushed in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states since he has minuscule support among blacks which make a large portion of those primary electorates. He did well with Hispanics in Nevada, he needs to win them like Hillary wins the black vote to even have a slight chance which I find unlikely. Even if(when) Hillary is indicted by the FBI and may drop out the DNC will still rally around someone like Joe Biden before Bernie Sanders. Michael Bloomberg has all but said he'll step in a run as independent if Bernie gets the nomination, the entire deck is stacked against him. I've seen how the RNC treated Ron Paul the last 2 cycles, the DNC is more heavier handed and in much more control so it's just an impossible hill to climb. Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee provided she hasn't been indicted by the FBI, Julian Castro will be her VP pick. This has all been decided already.

So you can throw around words like unhinged and extremist but when the decision is between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton it is an easy one. Say all these awful things about Trump but he isn't a criminal, he isn't rapist or rape enabler, he hasn't failed at every turn in his given profession.


Viable=whatever candidate is for the people and not the corporate lobbyists and wealthy elite at our expense. At least that is what viable means to me.

If Bernie doesn't win so be it, I will just expect an even steeper decline in this country and prepare myself for that. But I sure as hell am not voting for Hillary, Trump or any of the other candidates running as republican...since I do not want to willfully take part in the downfall of this country. Also most everything I am hearing/reading indicates Bernie still has a chance and if anything is still gaining support....so as I say we will see whether or not he has a chance later on when more of the primaries and crap are done and the democrats actually decide their candidate.

But I digress I don't care about voting for 'the winner' I care about voting for the candidate I think would be best for this country. And the candidate who actually talks about addressing things like people working 40 hours a week with poverty wages, existence of private for profit prisons, adjusting how marijuana is scheduled or unsceduling it cooperation with all the states legalizing, making college more affordable, actually supports womens rights(that hillarys campaign has been attempting to bully women into voting for her by impying its some sort of treachery to be a woman and not vote for the woman canidate shows me she does not...what we can't think for ourselves now?) Also instead of massive wealth or simply knowing how to rile or excite a crowd, or my daddy was president, he has actual experience...was active in politics since before he graduated college. A respectable candidate who I can agree with.

And so because trump isn't a criminal, rapist or rape enabler that means he's president material? Also maybe he's not but he is a neo-nazi/white supremacist enabler otherwise he'd be speaking out against that segment of his supporters...but if anything just appears he's happy for the support. He comes off as a bigot and is probably a tad bit racist if not full blown.

Also he's a pampered spoiled brat, I don't see how he'll do anything to address the issue of full time working people making poverty wages or general poverty and homelessness...He seems to have the same good old right wing sentiment as the rest of the party about how if you're struggling to make ends meet you're just lazy. Also his given profession, being wealthy how he was born, has nothing to do with serving the people as president of the United States.


I wish those things meant a candidate was viable, usually that implies the opposite. Viability is just whether or not a candidate can feasibly win, I loved Ron Paul but the reality was he was never a viable candidate. You have to know the whole process is rigged, the entire electoral system and the two political parties as well as the media are all in on it together. The whole narrative on the Democratic race has changed over the last week or so, instead of Hillary's imminent collapse now it is about Bernie's imminent defeat in South Carolina and Super Tuesday combined with the massive super delegate lead that will just make it almost mathematically impossible to catch up. I would be pretty upset at the rigged process, the DNC straight up was never going to allow a serious challenge to Hillary Clinton and I think even Bernie is surprised at how well he has done since I don't think he ran originally thinking he could possibly win but rather just as a vehicle to spread his message. More 'viable' candidates than Bernie would of gotten into the race if they weren't so afraid of the Clinton machine and actually thought they could win. Bernie would have to beat Hillary by like margins of 20% to have a chance and I don't see that happening.

Perhaps you'll come around especially when you realize the fix has been in for Hillary since 2008, I think you have a stereotyped view of Trump's campaign because of the full blown media assault and endless attempts at character assassination that have failed over and over again. He's not even really "Republican", everybody knows this which why they are they are howling so much about Trump taking over party because he's going to clean out the political trash that has entrenched itself in our government. What white supremacist or neo-nazi supporters? How has he enabled them in the same way that Hillary enabled her husband to commit all those awful crimes against women? Trump's daughter and son-in-law are Jewish, he's lives in New York City, he has many many friends of every shade and persuasion, I don't believe he's a racist or homophobic despite the desperate media characterizations of that nature and I don't believe many people do believe that or else he would not be such a dominant front runner. I've been really impressed with his family to be honest, Mitt Romney had good looking kids which is nice for pictures but Trump has good looking kids and they're sharp as hell too. Ivanka has a future for her in politics if she wants it but I'm pretty sure she her siblings are going to carry on the family business.

Trump will get rid of these unfair "free trade" deals, he'll put an end to the illegal invasion of citizens from others countries which has destroyed the QOL and job prospects of the most marginalized people in this country. The services are spread to thin, our schools are failing and there is not much of any safety net. Do you know Mexicans have universal healthcare in Mexico? I'm sure you know about their unlimited cheap access to prescription drugs too. How is Hillary or Bernie going to confront this? How are they going to bring jobs back this country?

These countries need to be footing the bill for their citizens, the countries of the world need to pay their fair share for all that we have given them because the free lunch has to come to an end. Why do we have to pay for the defense of basically all our allies, why do we have to put the youth of our nation in harms way to fight for people that are totally unappreciative and worse yet probably hate our guts? We pay for Europe's "socialism", we pay for the QOL of South Koreans and Japan, we're not getting a good deal here, what do we get out of any of this? This country is being bled dry by the parasites on Wall Street and in the Beltway, they use to be able to control the flow of information thru the old media but with the rise of the internet they no longer can enforce some false narrative. Trump won't start a war unless it serves the interests of the United States, no more fighting with one arm behind our back in order to preserve the forever war for the MIC or by giving aid to our enemies. Trump is the only candidate that has expressed any desire to have a positive relationship with Putin which to me is still the most important bilateral relationship in the world, everyone else wants to restart the Cold War and for obvious reasons.(follow the money!)

In the end it doesn't even matter if I'm wrong about him since I know Hillary is even worse, Trump winning would completely blow up the political establishment in this country and forever change this 2 party system. I'm not invested in the status quo, I am willing to roll the dice. If it hastens the collapse then so be it but at least we gave a shot at saving this country. 50 years from now, on our current path, we're not going to have a country. The US will not stay as single entity if we cannot confront the problems that face our nation, secession will be the only choice.



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24 Feb 2016, 12:20 pm

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Even if he is the greatest businessman ever that doesn't mean he would be a good president. Ben Carson was a genius when it came to neurosurgery, but that doesn't mean he would be a good president either. Donald Trump doesn't have a good knowledge of any of the issues. If you watch any of the debates you would know that.


Yet he's the only one that is semi-sane when it comes to foreign policy, everyone else wants to restart the Cold War with Russia and want to bog us down in another middle eastern war. They don't think Obama has gone far enough, these psychopaths want blood. It's nonsense that he doesn't have knowledge of the issues, he has spoken more in depth than probably any other candidate. Airhead Rubio hasn't said anything of substance his entire time in the US Senate.
semi-sane? are you trying to be funny? the guy wants to build a wall across the mexican border


Versus what? Opening a superhighway for our country to expedite invasion of our country and to once for all destroy our QOL brought down to that of the third world? You don't have a viable candidate, Trump is the best candidate running that can win. The American Dream is dead and Trump is the only candidate that is offering solutions, PC garbage is suffocating this country and no one else has anything remotely resembling an pro-America immigration policy. The CoC and La Raza might want hordes of millions of illegal immigrants as well as their legal slaves to undercut the American worker.

A wall is a lot more realistic than this idea of the forever war or that we can give away everything for free, Bernie Sanders understands how to run this country about as well as Matthew Lesko probably less and he won't be able to do anything he'd want to do. All besides the point, the choice is Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton and that is an easy decision and if you think Hillary is going to win that contest I think you should probably start exploring a nice place to live in Canada. We spent 2 trillion dollars in Iraq, we have a 54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico so we can make them pay for it and their citizens that they have intentionally sent across our border pretty easily. It is time to finally confront Mexico and its corrupt politicians, these people have been taking advantage of us for years while they run their country into the ground.

Again, Trump is the only one that wants peace with Russia and to confront our shared enemies together instead of literally threatening to start WWIII. These idiots all want to keep giving aid to terrorists and to allow the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia to control our foreign policy, I don't want war with Iran or Assad or any of these people they are trying to say are so bad. Turkey and Saudi Arabia support ISIS and they're supposedly our allies? No, they are the true enemies of the United States.


Ok the ridiculous conspiracy theory stuff about how now the immigrants of south America and mexico are being 'sent' here by their respective governments...when in reality they're more trying to get out of impoverished maybe even violent places. But that aside how do you figure trump is going to 'make' mexico pay for his stupid wall? By threatening war? He's a laughing stock....sure Russia would approve if we get him, why wouldn't they want to laugh at the downfall of this country at his hands? Helps get us out of the way of so they can have a chance at being the most powerful nation.


We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?

Yes, Mexico and Central American governments facilitate the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Mexican law in fact states that illegally entering Mexico carries a 5 year prison sentence to make it about abundantly clear to those from Central America that they will not be tolerated in the country. Look up 'el tren de la muetre', Trump is completely right when he says the leaders of these countries are taking advantage of us. Something like a third of the population of El Salvador lives in the United States, it is insane. Standing up to these corrupt leaders is what the people of these countries need, they need to take control of their own countries from their ruling oligarchies.



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24 Feb 2016, 12:23 pm

Later CIA good luck finding us.


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24 Feb 2016, 12:28 pm

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^ Winter IS coming 8O. Lets hope Dems get their heads out of their asses in time for super Tuesday. No one knows who Michael Bloomberg is. If he did run, he'd get as much support as O'Malley did I'm guessing. Biden could have an actual shot if Hillary does have to pull out though.

Here's the actual lay of the delegates right now, Clinton has 503 to Bernies 70:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0

Hilary has 52 legit delegates to Bernies 51. It's far from over and the Super Delegates have slowly trickled over to Bernies side. Personally I think it's a scam, that most super delegates haven't actually committed yet and it's just being reported that she has all the undecided supers.


Everybody knows who Michael Bloomberg is, he was the mayor of New York and his name is synonymous with Wall Street. The man is worth something like 45 billion, he'd be the richest man to ever run for president several times over. More than Trump and Perot combined twice over. He's not Martin O'Malley, he's a real threat and doesn't even need the Democratic Party. He'd just be there to pick up the pieces if he sees himself having a path to the presidency.



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24 Feb 2016, 1:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
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Trump is winning Republican women and Hispanics

tell me who this 'hinged' candidate is and I'll tell you why you are wrong

just to repeat one more time, Bernie Sanders won't even be allowed to sniff the nomination. Hillary Clinton has already all but clinched it.


We'll see I suppose...and I don't know that he will win just that he's the only viable candidate.


viable = winning

The DNC has a completely rigged process, Hillary has 600 delegates to Bernie's like 30 and you need like 2300 to clinch it. Bernie is going to get crushed in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states since he has minuscule support among blacks which make a large portion of those primary electorates. He did well with Hispanics in Nevada, he needs to win them like Hillary wins the black vote to even have a slight chance which I find unlikely. Even if(when) Hillary is indicted by the FBI and may drop out the DNC will still rally around someone like Joe Biden before Bernie Sanders. Michael Bloomberg has all but said he'll step in a run as independent if Bernie gets the nomination, the entire deck is stacked against him. I've seen how the RNC treated Ron Paul the last 2 cycles, the DNC is more heavier handed and in much more control so it's just an impossible hill to climb. Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee provided she hasn't been indicted by the FBI, Julian Castro will be her VP pick. This has all been decided already.

So you can throw around words like unhinged and extremist but when the decision is between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton it is an easy one. Say all these awful things about Trump but he isn't a criminal, he isn't rapist or rape enabler, he hasn't failed at every turn in his given profession.


Viable=whatever candidate is for the people and not the corporate lobbyists and wealthy elite at our expense. At least that is what viable means to me.

If Bernie doesn't win so be it, I will just expect an even steeper decline in this country and prepare myself for that. But I sure as hell am not voting for Hillary, Trump or any of the other candidates running as republican...since I do not want to willfully take part in the downfall of this country. Also most everything I am hearing/reading indicates Bernie still has a chance and if anything is still gaining support....so as I say we will see whether or not he has a chance later on when more of the primaries and crap are done and the democrats actually decide their candidate.

But I digress I don't care about voting for 'the winner' I care about voting for the candidate I think would be best for this country. And the candidate who actually talks about addressing things like people working 40 hours a week with poverty wages, existence of private for profit prisons, adjusting how marijuana is scheduled or unsceduling it cooperation with all the states legalizing, making college more affordable, actually supports womens rights(that hillarys campaign has been attempting to bully women into voting for her by impying its some sort of treachery to be a woman and not vote for the woman canidate shows me she does not...what we can't think for ourselves now?) Also instead of massive wealth or simply knowing how to rile or excite a crowd, or my daddy was president, he has actual experience...was active in politics since before he graduated college. A respectable candidate who I can agree with.

And so because trump isn't a criminal, rapist or rape enabler that means he's president material? Also maybe he's not but he is a neo-nazi/white supremacist enabler otherwise he'd be speaking out against that segment of his supporters...but if anything just appears he's happy for the support. He comes off as a bigot and is probably a tad bit racist if not full blown.

Also he's a pampered spoiled brat, I don't see how he'll do anything to address the issue of full time working people making poverty wages or general poverty and homelessness...He seems to have the same good old right wing sentiment as the rest of the party about how if you're struggling to make ends meet you're just lazy. Also his given profession, being wealthy how he was born, has nothing to do with serving the people as president of the United States.


I wish those things meant a candidate was viable, usually that implies the opposite. Viability is just whether or not a candidate can feasibly win, I loved Ron Paul but the reality was he was never a viable candidate. You have to know the whole process is rigged, the entire electoral system and the two political parties as well as the media are all in on it together. The whole narrative on the Democratic race has changed over the last week or so, instead of Hillary's imminent collapse now it is about Bernie's imminent defeat in South Carolina and Super Tuesday combined with the massive super delegate lead that will just make it almost mathematically impossible to catch up. I would be pretty upset at the rigged process, the DNC straight up was never going to allow a serious challenge to Hillary Clinton and I think even Bernie is surprised at how well he has done since I don't think he ran originally thinking he could possibly win but rather just as a vehicle to spread his message. More 'viable' candidates than Bernie would of gotten into the race if they weren't so afraid of the Clinton machine and actually thought they could win. Bernie would have to beat Hillary by like margins of 20% to have a chance and I don't see that happening.

Perhaps you'll come around especially when you realize the fix has been in for Hillary since 2008, I think you have a stereotyped view of Trump's campaign because of the full blown media assault and endless attempts at character assassination that have failed over and over again. He's not even really "Republican", everybody knows this which why they are they are howling so much about Trump taking over party because he's going to clean out the political trash that has entrenched itself in our government. What white supremacist or neo-nazi supporters? How has he enabled them in the same way that Hillary enabled her husband to commit all those awful crimes against women? Trump's daughter and son-in-law are Jewish, he's lives in New York City, he has many many friends of every shade and persuasion, I don't believe he's a racist or homophobic despite the desperate media characterizations of that nature and I don't believe many people do believe that or else he would not be such a dominant front runner. I've been really impressed with his family to be honest, Mitt Romney had good looking kids which is nice for pictures but Trump has good looking kids and they're sharp as hell too. Ivanka has a future for her in politics if she wants it but I'm pretty sure she her siblings are going to carry on the family business.

Trump will get rid of these unfair "free trade" deals, he'll put an end to the illegal invasion of citizens from others countries which has destroyed the QOL and job prospects of the most marginalized people in this country. The services are spread to thin, our schools are failing and there is not much of any safety net. Do you know Mexicans have universal healthcare in Mexico? I'm sure you know about their unlimited cheap access to prescription drugs too. How is Hillary or Bernie going to confront this? How are they going to bring jobs back this country?

These countries need to be footing the bill for their citizens, the countries of the world need to pay their fair share for all that we have given them because the free lunch has to come to an end. Why do we have to pay for the defense of basically all our allies, why do we have to put the youth of our nation in harms way to fight for people that are totally unappreciative and worse yet probably hate our guts? We pay for Europe's "socialism", we pay for the QOL of South Koreans and Japan, we're not getting a good deal here, what do we get out of any of this? This country is being bled dry by the parasites on Wall Street and in the Beltway, they use to be able to control the flow of information thru the old media but with the rise of the internet they no longer can enforce some false narrative. Trump won't start a war unless it serves the interests of the United States, no more fighting with one arm behind our back in order to preserve the forever war for the MIC or by giving aid to our enemies. Trump is the only candidate that has expressed any desire to have a positive relationship with Putin which to me is still the most important bilateral relationship in the world, everyone else wants to restart the Cold War and for obvious reasons.(follow the money!)

In the end it doesn't even matter if I'm wrong about him since I know Hillary is even worse, Trump winning would completely blow up the political establishment in this country and forever change this 2 party system. I'm not invested in the status quo, I am willing to roll the dice. If it hastens the collapse then so be it but at least we gave a shot at saving this country. 50 years from now, on our current path, we're not going to have a country. The US will not stay as single entity if we cannot confront the problems that face our nation, secession will be the only choice.

I base my opinion on trump on things he has said, and his attitude as well as his supporters. Also he has supporters who believe in that crap, I didn't say he did something the same way Hilary has just that he doesn't seem to mind support from that particular crowd.

Also I don't support Hillary, I am not a democrat so its not like if Bernie doesn't get the democratic nomination I am voting for her. Also no offense but shouldn't a president focus on some of the issues at home, rather than what sort of healthcare and access to prescription drugs they have in mexico? what do you mean by addressing it anyways...and how would Trump address it? And again how is he going to make mexico pay for his wall? Not to mention Trumps clothing line is made in china and mexico with cheap exploitive labor...so how exactly is it he intends to bring jobs back to America. Also he fails to realize the solution isn't simply more jobs, people actually need to be paid a decent wage.

Also the U.S is the one who sticks its nose in everyone elses business, inserts itself like a world police force of some kind and then complains when it has to foot some of the bill for all the crap its contributed to. Also boasts itself as the single handed victor of WWII who came in and saved everyone's ass...when in reality all the allies as well as the French resistance played very important roles in that victory. As for current affairs it's hardly a free lunch that we'd have to defend allies, our government are the idiots who completely destabilized the middle east and gave rise to ISIS. Also Trump is one of the parasites of wallstreet or at least the wealthy elite who put themselves above the rest of us, why is everyone so blind to that.


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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?

Yes, Mexico and Central American governments facilitate the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Mexican law in fact states that illegally entering Mexico carries a 5 year prison sentence to make it about abundantly clear to those from Central America that they will not be tolerated in the country. Look up 'el tren de la muetre', Trump is completely right when he says the leaders of these countries are taking advantage of us. Something like a third of the population of El Salvador lives in the United States, it is insane. Standing up to these corrupt leaders is what the people of these countries need, they need to take control of their own countries from their ruling oligarchies.


Well then the flawed war on drugs might need to really be addressed....considering a lot of the instability and corruption in those regions ties into that. And I'd need a source that 1/3 of El Salvador lives in the U.S, also who lives there now then if a 1/3 has moved here...that would be lot of open land.

And again how would Trump propose he make Mexico pay for his wall...does he think they're just going to say 'oh yes gladly we'll foot the bill for this ridiculous wall please like us?' Also where on earth does he think Mexico would come up with that kind of money....everyone kind of knows Mexico isn't exactly a financially stable place and poverty is an even bigger problem there than it is here. So I figure either empty threats or worse is his great plan?


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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?

Yes, Mexico and Central American governments facilitate the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Mexican law in fact states that illegally entering Mexico carries a 5 year prison sentence to make it about abundantly clear to those from Central America that they will not be tolerated in the country. Look up 'el tren de la muetre', Trump is completely right when he says the leaders of these countries are taking advantage of us. Something like a third of the population of El Salvador lives in the United States, it is insane. Standing up to these corrupt leaders is what the people of these countries need, they need to take control of their own countries from their ruling oligarchies.


Well then the flawed war on drugs might need to really be addressed....considering a lot of the instability and corruption in those regions ties into that. And I'd need a source that 1/3 of El Salvador lives in the U.S, also who lives there now then if a 1/3 has moved here...that would be lot of open land.

And again how would Trump propose he make Mexico pay for his wall...does he think they're just going to say 'oh yes gladly we'll foot the bill for this ridiculous wall please like us?' Also where on earth does he think Mexico would come up with that kind of money....everyone kind of knows Mexico isn't exactly a financially stable place and poverty is an even bigger problem there than it is here. So I figure either empty threats or worse is his great plan?


He'd have to first kill off the war on drugs, as you mentioned, in order to stabilize the political environment of the country. Then he'd have to offer aide & advisers to build up a stable economy, widespread higher education - they already have nationalized health care - and then comes the tricky part. He'll have to build their economy to the level where they won't want to have to come here for jobs. At that point, getting them to build the wall should be fairly simple since they'll want to keep all the American job seekers *out*.


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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?




I can tell you in one word---or acronym---why that won't work: NAFTA.

Trump has no Constitutional authority to unilaterally abrogate a treaty, which, under the Supremacy Clause, is the supreme law of the land.


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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?

Yes, Mexico and Central American governments facilitate the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Mexican law in fact states that illegally entering Mexico carries a 5 year prison sentence to make it about abundantly clear to those from Central America that they will not be tolerated in the country. Look up 'el tren de la muetre', Trump is completely right when he says the leaders of these countries are taking advantage of us. Something like a third of the population of El Salvador lives in the United States, it is insane. Standing up to these corrupt leaders is what the people of these countries need, they need to take control of their own countries from their ruling oligarchies.


Well then the flawed war on drugs might need to really be addressed....considering a lot of the instability and corruption in those regions ties into that. And I'd need a source that 1/3 of El Salvador lives in the U.S, also who lives there now then if a 1/3 has moved here...that would be lot of open land.

And again how would Trump propose he make Mexico pay for his wall...does he think they're just going to say 'oh yes gladly we'll foot the bill for this ridiculous wall please like us?' Also where on earth does he think Mexico would come up with that kind of money....everyone kind of knows Mexico isn't exactly a financially stable place and poverty is an even bigger problem there than it is here. So I figure either empty threats or worse is his great plan?


Sweetleaf, I think we're pretty close on a lot of issues and you won't hear an argument from me against this war on drugs or criminal justice reform or any of that type of stuff. I think you'd probably be surprised at Trump's positions on things like health care and social security, I think he's a pretty open minded individual that cares about this country. Trump doesn't want to be president to run this country into the ground, do you think ego allow that? He's not stupid and as someone that isn't owned by anyone I think he might actually want to make America great and use his business acumen and strong leadership to do it instead of paying of the cronies on Wall Street and in the MIC. He's quite cognizant of the wage issue but that ties right into the immigration one so much because Big Business in the United States because not only do we have the issue of illegal immigration but these businesses also use legal foreign workers to undercut American wages and benefits, a lot of these businesses use these legal guest workers as essentially slaves.

Like I said, the US could slap a tariff on imports from Mexico and they could put a tax on remittance payments from the US to Mexico which would FORCE Mexico, lest they want economic ruin, to cooperate with our immigration policies and help in repatriating their citizens that are here illegally in the United States. There is nothing they can do to stop a tariff or a tax on remittance payments besides complain to the international community, that takes place in our country not theirs. As for 1/3rd number it is possible that was an exaggeration but it is at least 20% possibly more according to reliable sources and this number will likely continue to climb as Mexico facilitates the transfer of Central Americans thru their country to our border. A decent percentage of the Mexican population is living in the United States as well, we need to get tough with the corrupt leadership of these countries and the people living in these countries need to make their own country great and there is no reason except the greed and corruption in Mexico that it is as bad as it is because it is a country of VAST natural resources and have an amazing unique culture of their own. This would be the best thing to ever happen to Mexico. Mexico's southern border is A LOT smaller than ours, there is no reason that can't be controlled. The US needs to shift its focus to this hemisphere instead of worrying about what is happening in Ukraine or the Middle East.

Also how is Trump a parasite of Wall Street? He's a real estate mogul who built buildings in Manhattan as well as hotels, casinos, and golf courses all around the world. He employs over 20,000 people, Trump is not money manipulator and I think he made his fortune in an honest way that didn't destroy lives unlike say Mitt Romney. He's a very wealthy, very successful man, now he wants to use his talents and leadership for the United States.



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24 Feb 2016, 7:52 pm

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We have $54 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico every year, more than $22 billion in remittance payments, put tariff on imports and tax on remittance payments and Mexico will pay for that wall tomorrow. They will have no choice, we put sanctions on places like Iraq and Iran that pose no threat to us but we're letting Mexico and Central America kill us? Makes no sense at all, it is totally feasible and a much better idea than spending trillions of dollars on wars in the middle east that have only left it more destabilized and dangerous, we got absolutely nothing out of these wars yet where were all these people saying we can't pay for that?



I can tell you in one word---or acronym---why that won't work: NAFTA.

Trump has no Constitutional authority to unilaterally abrogate a treaty, which, under the Supremacy Clause, is the supreme law of the land.



When has the constitution ever stopped Dubya or Obama? NAFTA will be put into the ash bin of history where it belongs. Trump is a deal maker, he isn't going to be a partisan leader, no one else even compares in this regard so don't worry about how right now because one way or another NAFTA and this TPP will get thrown out.



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16 Sep 2019, 7:00 pm

To Keep America Great.

Look at any economic measure and compare that to previous presidents.

Okay nobody is perfect but with Trump you have someone who wants the best for AMERICA, and who isn't in league to people you can't see. This is a patriotic president, who is willing to stand up to huge powers, including China, to protect jobs for American citizens. How many others would do that...?

People against Trump either seem to be blinded by hatred, or just ignorant/brainwashed by the lying media, or alternatively looking for someone who is perfect. You are not going to get perfection but you are sure going to find a lot worse than Trump.



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not one goddamned reason on this hellworld called earth.



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I want to see more rioting.



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To Keep America Great.

Look at any economic measure and compare that to previous presidents.

Aside from one year (2008), pretty much every economic measure has consistently gone up for every developed country for several decades. There's nothing special about the Trump presidency in that regard. Look at a graph of any economic measure and you won't see any change in the trajectory when Trump becomes president.

Worth noting that Trump was very keen to take credit for the historic highs of the stock market (again, continuing a long term trend) right up until the moment he crashed it.

America was respected the world over under Obama. Now you're a global laughing stock. But people will forget about the Trump era very quickly - we want to love America because when it is at its best it is such a glorious place, and these dark few years will soon be overlooked once normal service resumes.
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Okay nobody is perfect but with Trump you have someone who wants the best for AMERICA, and who isn't in league to people you can't see. This is a patriotic president, who is willing to stand up to huge powers, including China, to protect jobs for American citizens. How many others would do that...?

I'm not sure I can understand this point of view. Every president wants what's best for America, they're all Americans. Trump is the first president in a long time where there have been serious doubts about his loyalties. He is very soft on Russia for example.

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People against Trump either seem to be blinded by hatred, or just ignorant/brainwashed by the lying media, or alternatively looking for someone who is perfect. You are not going to get perfection but you are sure going to find a lot worse than Trump.

You've already had perfect - Barack Obama. Nobody thinks Trump has to be as good as Obama, that would be unrealistic - but he's a very bad president. It would be nice if he was as good as, say, the average congressman.

This is a man who is on record making multiple racist and sexist statements, threatening to start pointless wars, and generally showing his ignorance every time he opens his mouth. Just read the man's Tweets, listen to his public statements, look at the impact of his policies - this is not a man capable of competent governance.