Bloomberg: Don't vote for Sanders & Trump, they're using you

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30 Apr 2016, 5:55 pm

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“Every generation has had to confront its own demagogues. And every generation has stood up and kept them away from the White House. At least so far,” he said. “Today, when a populist candidate promises free college, free health care and a pony [Sanders] or another candidate promises to make other countries pay for our needs [Trump], remember: Those who promise you a free lunch will invariably eat you for breakfast.”


This was part of Michael Bloomberg's commencement speech at University of Michigan.

He went on to say anyone who is willing to go the length to promise you the stuff that Sanders and Trump have, they are far more dangerous than the rest of the politicians.
Yes he really thinks both Trump and Sanders are purposely resorting to this in order to get elected because they intentions that they don't want voters to know about.

Bloomberg is the previous progressive mayor of NYC, who was widely beloved by the public and country as a whole.
Though hated by his own party the GOP for being progressive.
http://time.com/4313436/michael-bloombe ... e-sanders/


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30 Apr 2016, 9:20 pm

He's basically endorsing Hillary by criticising her enemies.quite deceptive.



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30 Apr 2016, 9:24 pm

Not deceptive at all.

It's politics.

He could also be endorsing Mr. Cruz ... you never know.


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30 Apr 2016, 9:28 pm

Ex-Mayor of New York doesn't want you to vote for Hillary's rival. A bit of an obvious bias there. Kind of like all the hate that Bernie is receiving.


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30 Apr 2016, 10:14 pm

Noam Chomsky On Bernie Sanders.


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30 Apr 2016, 10:24 pm

RoadRatt wrote:
Ex-Mayor of New York doesn't want you to vote for Hillary's rival. A bit of an obvious bias there. Kind of like all the hate that Bernie is receiving.



He doesn't want people voting for Trump either to the point of nearly launching his own GOP campaign.
He hasn't ruled out running as an independent, if Trump and/or Sanders get the necessary delegates.

He's repeatedly made it clear he doesn't like how Trump and Sanders are campaigning by promising the voters everything.
He thinks both Trump and Sanders are far worse for the country than the other candidates who have ran this cycle.

He's definitely not a Democrat and/or a Hillary supporter.


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30 Apr 2016, 11:40 pm

Chomsky says Bernie is not a radical because he has a lot of people supporting him, but introducing a bunch of new socialist programs is pretty radical no matter how many people support them.

He compares bernies policies to the new deal, well that was an emergency measure , people debate whether it was even necessary and if it did help the economy why not do new deal policies permanently?
(Because they inflate the national debt)



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01 May 2016, 1:17 am

xenocity wrote:
He doesn't want people voting for Trump either to the point of nearly launching his own GOP campaign.
He hasn't ruled out running as an independent, if Trump and/or Sanders get the necessary delegates.

He's repeatedly made it clear he doesn't like how Trump and Sanders are campaigning by promising the voters everything.
He thinks both Trump and Sanders are far worse for the country than the other candidates who have ran this cycle.

He's definitely not a Democrat and/or a Hillary supporter.


Bloomberg is a billionaire and doesn't like Bernie because his bottom line will be less from Sanders plans to raise taxes, close tax loopholes, etc. on the rich and make them pay their fair share. So of course, Bernie is this radical leftist who must be stopped at all costs.

If the Billionaires were paying their fair share America could pay for single payer health care, make sure social security didn't dry up, the list goes on and on. I don't think some people quite understand how much money America is losing due to all the unpaid taxes by the 1%.

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Chomsky says Bernie is not a radical because he has a lot of people supporting him, but introducing a bunch of new socialist programs is pretty radical no matter how many people support them.

He compares bernies policies to the new deal, well that was an emergency measure , people debate whether it was even necessary and if it did help the economy why not do new deal policies permanently?
(Because they inflate the national debt)


The new deal was in place from the 30's through the 70's. Reagan took America off the new deal and replaced it with trickle-down economics. We are still on it to this day. And no, the national debt has been inflating faster since we've been off the new deal than any other time in history. Under Reagan alone our national debt went up by 189%, more than under any president in history. Putting us back on a new deal type of economy would put Americans back to work and lower our national debt, if done correctly.

The only thing I see that is radical is ignoring the majority of Americans. Politicians are suppose to be working for all us, not just the 1%. That is why Bernie has so many supporters, his ideas are actually mainstream American ideas that people of all political parties support.


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01 May 2016, 10:56 am

RoadRatt wrote:
Ex-Mayor of New York doesn't want you to vote for Hillary's rival. A bit of an obvious bias there.
Captain Obvious would be proud of you! Anyone who casts a vote is obviously biased toward their favorite candidate.

What do you want, one person to give a blanket endorsement of every candidate? :roll:


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01 May 2016, 12:34 pm

RoadRatt wrote:
xenocity wrote:
He doesn't want people voting for Trump either to the point of nearly launching his own GOP campaign.
He hasn't ruled out running as an independent, if Trump and/or Sanders get the necessary delegates.

He's repeatedly made it clear he doesn't like how Trump and Sanders are campaigning by promising the voters everything.
He thinks both Trump and Sanders are far worse for the country than the other candidates who have ran this cycle.

He's definitely not a Democrat and/or a Hillary supporter.


Bloomberg is a billionaire and doesn't like Bernie because his bottom line will be less from Sanders plans to raise taxes, close tax loopholes, etc. on the rich and make them pay their fair share. So of course, Bernie is this radical leftist who must be stopped at all costs.

If the Billionaires were paying their fair share America could pay for single payer health care, make sure social security didn't dry up, the list goes on and on. I don't think some people quite understand how much money America is losing due to all the unpaid taxes by the 1%.


Actually Bloomberg made his money building one of the most trusted and accurate financial and investment companies in the world.
Bloomberg was the one who raised taxes in NYC on everyone (including himself) and even pushed for a junk food/soda tax as well.
He's on record for pushing Congress to close all the loopholes, simplify the tax code, and raise taxes on the wealthy including himself (same as Warren Buffet).
He also is on record pushing for more affordable healthcare for all Americans.

He also increased funding in education, healthcare, human services.
He also fought corruption and the NYPD.

He's not your standard Billionaire/rich guy.
He's a very progressive activist who is hated by the rich, the GOP.
Sanders hates him for taking away choices and freedoms of the people of NYC, through taxation of Tobacco, Alcohol, Junk Food, Sugary Drinks etc... .



His issues with Sanders, is the fact that Sanders uses a proven false economist to formulate his economic plan, which has since been disproven by Europe.

Sanders told the press in an interview, that he " Didn't know how to pay for his free college tuition program and free healthcare!"
He then stated "It wasn't up to him to figure out how it works and how to pay for it"

He most recently stated in an interview that "It wasn't the President's job to figure it out and it's up to the Senate to figure it out!"

He also stated recently he never promised to raise taxes on anyone person. He did state he'd raise the business and corporate taxes, which are highest in the world already.

The other day his wife Jane issued a public statement, stating they will not release the last 7 years of tax returns until Hillary gives into their demands.

Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Kaisach, Rubio, JEB, Carly, Carson, Christie, and the rest have all released their last 7 years of tax returns without conditions.

Since 1960 when the tradition began, Sanders is the only presidential candidate not to release his last 7 years of tax returns.


What is Sanders hiding in tax returns???


The point is Sanders has less substance than Trump.


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01 May 2016, 4:49 pm

xenocity wrote:
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“Every generation has had to confront its own demagogues. And every generation has stood up and kept them away from the White House. At least so far,” he said. “Today, when a populist candidate promises free college, free health care and a pony [Sanders] or another candidate promises to make other countries pay for our needs [Trump], remember: Those who promise you a free lunch will invariably eat you for breakfast.”


This was part of Michael Bloomberg's commencement speech at University of Michigan.

He went on to say anyone who is willing to go the length to promise you the stuff that Sanders and Trump have, they are far more dangerous than the rest of the politicians.
Yes he really thinks both Trump and Sanders are purposely resorting to this in order to get elected because they intentions that they don't want voters to know about.

Bloomberg is the previous progressive mayor of NYC, who was widely beloved by the public and country as a whole.
Though hated by his own party the GOP for being progressive.
http://time.com/4313436/michael-bloombe ... e-sanders/


Then who should we vote for? Hillary the Corporate Schill? Cruz the Religious Fanatic?


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01 May 2016, 4:55 pm

xenocity wrote:
His issues with Sanders, is the fact that Sanders uses a proven false economist to formulate his economic plan, which has since been disproven by Europe.

Please make sure you do your research before saying that Bernie Sanders uses false economists to back up his claims. He has a list of 160 different credible economists who all back his plans.

Sanders told the press in an interview, that he " Didn't know how to pay for his free college tuition program and free healthcare!"
Source please
He then stated "It wasn't up to him to figure out how it works and how to pay for it"
Source please

He most recently stated in an interview that "It wasn't the President's job to figure it out and it's up to the Senate to figure it out!"
Source please

He also stated recently he never promised to raise taxes on anyone person. He did state he'd raise the business and corporate taxes, which are highest in the world already.
Have you read his tax proposals. His plan proposes a blanket tax of 77% on those making over 10 million a year, 73% on those making more than 2 million, 68% on 500k+, 62% on 200k-468k, etc. You are pretty silly if you think that Bernie isn't going to be taxing anyone but corporations or businesses.

The other day his wife Jane issued a public statement, stating they will not release the last 7 years of tax returns until Hillary gives into their demands.

Good. This is one of the key things that is keeping Bernie in the race. Sure there could be some shady things in Bernie's tax returns, but there (are obviously) very shady things in Hillary's transcripts. It's just a political game. It makes sense.

Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Kaisach, Rubio, JEB, Carly, Carson, Christie, and the rest have all released their last 7 years of tax returns without conditions.

Since 1960 when the tradition began, Sanders is the only presidential candidate not to release his last 7 years of tax returns.

What is Sanders hiding in tax returns???

See what I said above.

The point is Sanders has less substance than Trump.

Compare their website proposals (I can't post the links since I am a new users.

Yeah Trump has A LOT more substance.


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01 May 2016, 5:38 pm

xenocity wrote:
Actually Bloomberg made his money building one of the most trusted and accurate financial and investment companies in the world.
Bloomberg was the one who raised taxes in NYC on everyone (including himself) and even pushed for a junk food/soda tax as well.
He's on record for pushing Congress to close all the loopholes, simplify the tax code, and raise taxes on the wealthy including himself (same as Warren Buffet).
He also is on record pushing for more affordable healthcare for all Americans.

He also increased funding in education, healthcare, human services.
He also fought corruption and the NYPD.

He's not your standard Billionaire/rich guy.
He's a very progressive activist who is hated by the rich, the GOP.
Sanders hates him for taking away choices and freedoms of the people of NYC, through taxation of Tobacco, Alcohol, Junk Food, Sugary Drinks etc... .

His issues with Sanders, is the fact that Sanders uses a proven false economist to formulate his economic plan, which has since been disproven by Europe.

Sanders told the press in an interview, that he " Didn't know how to pay for his free college tuition program and free healthcare!"
He then stated "It wasn't up to him to figure out how it works and how to pay for it"

He most recently stated in an interview that "It wasn't the President's job to figure it out and it's up to the Senate to figure it out!"

He also stated recently he never promised to raise taxes on anyone person. He did state he'd raise the business and corporate taxes, which are highest in the world already.

The other day his wife Jane issued a public statement, stating they will not release the last 7 years of tax returns until Hillary gives into their demands.

Hillary, Trump, Cruz, Kaisach, Rubio, JEB, Carly, Carson, Christie, and the rest have all released their last 7 years of tax returns without conditions.

Since 1960 when the tradition began, Sanders is the only presidential candidate not to release his last 7 years of tax returns.


What is Sanders hiding in tax returns???


The point is Sanders has less substance than Trump.


I don't know where you are getting all your lies about Bernie from, you should look up some facts instead. Bernie has more substance than all the other candidates combined. Hillary on the other hand is a liar and changes her views with the wind. She is also under investigation by the F.B.I. . Trump is also nothing but a liar and is under investigation for fraud. Cruz is hated by his own party as much as by anyone else. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking but, it seems to me that people who are already under investigation for wrong doing probably shouldn't even be allowed to run for president of the united states.


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01 May 2016, 6:07 pm

Bernie is an odd one.

He wants to raise taxes on the very poor, and replace their totally free Obamacare with new health care income taxes, and he wonders why poor people don't vote for him.



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01 May 2016, 6:10 pm

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Bernie is an odd one.

He wants to raise taxes on the very poor, and replace their their totally free Obamacare with new health care income taxes, and he wonders why poor people don't vote for him.

This includes free college tuition and healthcare, so obviously you are paying more taxes. But once you cut the cost of healthcare premiums, you actually are saving money. Please do research before you say things like this.


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01 May 2016, 6:21 pm

Bombe wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Bernie is an odd one.

He wants to raise taxes on the very poor, and replace their their totally free Obamacare with new health care income taxes, and he wonders why poor people don't vote for him.

This includes free college tuition and healthcare, so obviously you are paying more taxes. But once you cut the cost of healthcare premiums, you actually are saving money. Please do research before you say things like this.


They get FREE 100% heath care now with ACA subsidies. The subsidies pay for the premiums.

Bernie says he wants a new 2.2% health care tax on poor people.

So, poor people lose out with Bernie Sanders.

Pretty easy to see why he lost.

And keep in mind, this is just one of his new taxes on the poor.

He is odd because he points fingers at the 1%/Wallstreet/Billionaires ... and in truth .. it is Sanders that wants to pick your pockets .. it is Sanders that represents the greatest threat to your prosperity with his new taxes.