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01 May 2016, 5:03 pm

Today (May 1st) is Victims of Communism Day, in remembrance of the tens of millions of people killed by the 20th century's most evil ideology.

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May Day began as a holiday for socialists and labor union activists, not just communists. But over time, the date was taken over by the Soviet Union and other communist regimes and used as a propaganda tool to prop up their [authority]. I suggest that we instead use it as a day to commemorate those regimes’ millions of victims. The authoritative Black Book of Communism estimates the total at 80 to 100 million dead, greater than that caused by all other twentieth century tyrannies combined.


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01 May 2016, 5:15 pm

I think holidays a pretty redundant, especially this one. There is already Remembrance Day, so what is the point of this?


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01 May 2016, 6:24 pm

Bombe wrote:
I think holidays a pretty redundant, especially this one. There is already Remembrance Day, so what is the point of this?


Remembrance Day is for the armed services.



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01 May 2016, 6:47 pm

Personally I think we should think of all tyranny as bad. The idea that we treat certain ideologies as a special case is kind of flawed. Just becuase one ideology became infamous for its inhumanity doesn't mean we should focus purely on that. Some of our allies are pretty awful too.

The cold war had a negative effect on US politics. Especially regarding civil liberties. Often the excuse of fighting communism or some other "subversion" was used.

The cold war did stupefy politics.

I lived in Angola during the civil war. IMO US prolonged the bloody war by at least 10 years, using it to fight a proxy war. They were focusing on Dos Santos's party being vaguely a Marxist, whist supporting Savimbi even though this Chinese trained militant was even worse (a brilliant military tactician but absolutely brutal). It took them a long time to work out he was not the freedom fighter he had billed him self as.

If thy had bothered to study the history they would have know they were originally in the same political party that had fractured.

The irony is it wasn't even in their interest. Cabinda Gulf is the second largest field in sub Saharan Africa. Savimbi wanted to kick the companies out, whereas Dos Santos has welcomed them.



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01 May 2016, 6:57 pm

Weird, it's the International Workers' Day here on this day where I live.


But it's always the communists who do the ritual manifestation of this.

It really became the Communism day instead.

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01 May 2016, 7:16 pm

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03 May 2016, 8:25 pm

Hey, I was born on May Day!


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04 May 2016, 1:16 am

LKL wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/3i05ft/death_toll_of_capitalism/

Gee... I didn't know smallpox was created by capitalism ...

I guess I should have paid more attention in biology class...



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04 May 2016, 12:23 pm

I take both of these references with a pinch of salt as some of these conflict overlap ideologies, so double counting is likely.

You wonder how objective any of these sources are.

No doubt the Mao's famine was a massive.

That is the weird thing about China. it is obvious that they have rejected Mao's policies, yet they can't admit that he wasn't the hero then pretend he is. It is less about he man and more about having a perfect "history".

More people were killed by the 2 world wars than the soviet union killed civilians. Not that USSR toll was small it was a close.



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04 May 2016, 3:31 pm

Spending all this time bickering about which ideology has killed more people, I don't think is likely to lead to anything constructive.

It's defiantly capitalism though. :wink:


Take all the people who starve to death under global capitalism, plus all the wars, colonialism, and the dictatorships the US installed in south america. Capitalism has a the biggest stranglehold over the earth at this point of time, so it kills more people than marxist-lennist states.

Leninist ideologies kill lots of people with bullets (capitalism does this too but to a lesser degree). Capitalism on the other hand, does it's killings slowly and silently.



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30 Apr 2020, 11:47 am

Tomorrow is Victims of Communism Day, the annual remembrance of the millions murdered by the most evil ideology in history. Here is a listing of some of the monuments to Communism's victims all around the world:

http://www.communistcrimes.org/en/museums-and-memorials

Washington D.C. memorial to the Communist genocide in Ukraine, 1932-1933:

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30 Apr 2020, 1:20 pm

Darmok wrote:
Tomorrow is Victims of Communism Day, the annual remembrance of the millions murdered by the most evil ideology in history. Here is a listing of some of the monuments to Communism's victims all around the world:

http://www.communistcrimes.org/en/museums-and-memorials

Washington D.C. memorial to the Communist genocide in Ukraine, 1932-1933:

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May Day (besides being my birthday) is Labor Day for much of the world, celebrating workers rights. To most people, it has nothing to do with communism.


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30 Apr 2020, 5:14 pm

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30 Apr 2020, 5:45 pm

The Bykivnia memorial near Kiev – the mass gravesite of tens of thousands of Ukrainians murdered by the Communist secret police.

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01 May 2020, 12:39 am

layers of 'religious' intends on the same date

a fertility feast or, geographically, here the queen bee swarms if the weather's right
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may day & the queen of may

or for "goethian romantics"; https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germa ... mountains/



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