These Brexit days...

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...The US isn't in Europe , and , for the UK , it's not a question of joining the EU but reversing what's already happened.....................

Our patron heritage is part of our culture and what primarily features trade and tourism with relations to Europe.
You can't lose what you've aready started and if the cost of leaving is to destabilize the way Europe is functioning its seedy trade formula, then so be it.
I think we'll be at the mercy of what the Brussels intervention already began, but thanks to U.K sovereignity, it preserves our sterling and limits the damage to our economy.
For those who weren't born patriotic, there is all this to take into consideration and outside Britain, everyone wants a slice of it. We can celebrate what we have as well, as what is yet to be achieved.
People can patronise Britains current ties with Europe but you can't deny that they'll still want access to our single market once we stray back into the heritage.
2012 was a global success for Britain not just because of the Queens coronation but because of how the Olympics took off. If we had been out of Europe then, we may have seen a huge boost to our economy instead of Brussels making the point of dictating our political system.
Foreign investors are supposed to back whatever trade ties we share with Europe, but I say that a certain number of investments is what is killing our economic growth in the wider margin. Take H20 train links to London as one. This was started almost immediately after the games in 2012. It is still being constructed with billions wasted and it cost 1 billion to build the 'gold digger' that forged through the tunnel that dug up our London past.
As well as this,millions of glossy leaflets posted through our doors to 'stay in' when the leave campaign have managed to effectively reduce the cost. 14, 000 nurses and doctors have left the NHS last year, dues to newly imposed sanctions on work and sharing the cost of British Rail with China. As with major cuts to our Steel Industry.
If anyone wants to stir up British politics with outlandish economic pursuits, trying to veto a deal by sticking pins in the eyes of British voters, then fine, but we will wake up and realise that the nightmare is still vastly far from being over, and will morally devise and financially currupt the lies that are being told to protect our status. So, in slight co-essence, the public are already being asked to ignore all hope of finding their happy ever after, in light that we must push on with these outside foreign affairs, which don't serve in Britains better interests to succeed.
I'm not saying I believe and feel liberated by everything that our European commissioner UKIP leader Nigel Farage is saying, nor do I think his party will invite change in open political debates over future modern politics, but by closing the borders in, including the chance of opening fairer trade deals to escalate throughout the modern world, then the working class and cut off from the stance on revolution, can feel they still stand a chance of achieving back emotional status through a system, that can at least contribute fairly and favourably within the rest of Britain and liasing with more European standards offshore committees, without losing more skill in the wider world that we must protect.
We may not be the land of opportunity but we have got the culture and heritage with strong ties to tourism and education to keep us afloat for a very, very long time.

Get out of the EU while you are a allowed to, surrendering your country's soveirgnty to unelected foreign bureaucrats is treacherous and killing your country! The UK will be more relevant on their own, the only reason they don't have a trade deal with the US going back decades ago is because of the EU.

You don't have to tell me that, but stating the obvious is clearly what people need to make ever informed decisions about the commonwealth and take back control of.. well...something.
If you can't tell the public what it needs to hear, then your allies can't really be on your side but taking stock of the pro initiative whilst living under E.U toll is like waving a red rag to a bull at times.

Royalty are stepping up to level with the public persona and I feel blessed to have a country that works with the monarchy and can help give us a boost in times of toil, depression and hardship.

Well stay by a pinch or leave by a margin, it seems EU got a bit arrogant on unilateral decisions

Whatever happened to European conciousness, collective European political clout? Will you block up the Chunnel?

The channel Tunnel, (not the China Tunnel), is a treaty which shares the customs border control and movement of freight and people.
The French have banned many things so far in France, the burka and migrant camps on the North side of Calais, so God knows what Fraternity rights are coming next for them.

Marseille was more than just a storm in a teacup for UFEA.
The abuse of alcohol inflicted GBH, incited a prohibition ban for after matches as well as a penalty fine should silence Russian sympathisers.

France holds their general elections next year.
All parties need to consider the relationship with our country between exports and concerning the safe passage of people.

Some of the stats.

The Tunnel was created in 1988 and took six years to build and franchise the structure. So officially opened in 1994.

Euro Star
Passengers ride between city centres of London and Paris, often transferring to Tube or Metro instead of taking a taxi. Commerce increased on both sides of the channel – 10 million tons of freight transit annually.

In May 2009, Eurotunnel was awarded the Carbon Trust Standard for commitment to managing and reducing its carbon footprint. Greenhouse gas emissions improved by 45% over a two-year period.

With the tunnel, along with European freight passing through, visa's seem to be a given luxury these days. I used to travel this way, but the stakes now are higher than they were when just a few select E.U countries were enlisted.

There is usually a 50 year trade cycle agreement concerning exporting goods between countries but there are still the options of the ferry links.

The Brexit referendum isn't binding anyway.
Fun dog and pony show though

That's rather by-the-by, because the results will be respected. Even if, hypothetically, Cameron dug his heels in, he would lose a vote of no-confidence.

I'm strongly voting to stay in. The benefits of the EU are enormous, the harms are negligible.

If we vote to leave, then the uncertainty will probably cause a recession as we spend two-four years working out what the hell we're actually going to do. We'll probably decide to remain part of the free trade area, but opt out of making laws in the European Parliament. That will mean sacrificing power and getting nothing in exchange, but at least it won't harm the economy (beyond the four years of uncertainty). Worst case scenario, we'll leave the single market and our economy will be irreversibly damaged by the imposed tariffs, costing people jobs and reducing tax revenues. If we realise our mistake and ask to re-enter, the EU will have the upper hand and we'll lose our very favourable position.

Those of you who talk about losing power to unelected bureaucrats - you already do that. Who elected your high court judges? Certainly not the general population. Who elected the leaders of your houses? Maybe their constituents made them their representative, but the public didn't make them leaders. What about ministers and secretaries of state? In that sense, the EU is a good deal more democratic than the UK, because they use a better system for electing representatives and the Commission is much easier to dismiss than the Lords.

I will be voting Leave to restore our democracy.

I will be voting Leave so that we can make our own trade deals throughout the world. I want my country to be outward-looking, not obsessed with looking inwards at a declining European market.

I will be voting Leave to free ourselves from the sclerotic, anti-democratic, lumbering EU.

I will be voting Leave because one country on its own is more nimble than 28 countries all having to agree on what they want.

I will be voting Leave so that we can have a sane, non-racist migration system that offers the same chance to come and work in the UK to everyone (with the heavy use of work permits for temporary workers), rather than the insane free-for-all that we have now.

I will be voting to Leave because other countries were similarly lied to by the pro-EU elites when they had their referendums, and when the people voted against them and went their own way, they found that it was not true. (See the two Norwegian referendums on joining the EU, the Swedish referendum on joining the euro.)

I will be voting to Leave because the European Union ignores the democratic wish of the people when it is not in its favour.

I will be voting to Leave because of the EU's insane energy policies, and because they are outsourcing industry and infrastructure to non-EU countries.

I will be voting to Leave because governments are simply not allowed to discriminate in favour of their own native suppliers - they must put out things to tender from across the EU.

I will be voting to Leave because our employers are not allowed to discriminate in favour of British workers (whatever their race or background), but must give a Pole or a Romanian the same chance.

I will be voting to Leave because I want Britain to institute a democratic revolution once we have left, and institute direct democracy in Britain.

I will be voting to Leave because I want to see the end of Martin Schultz, Donald Tusk, Lord Hill, Neil Kinnock and the rest of the cronies on the EU gravy train that have power over us.

I will be voting Leave because I want to be free.

Unfortunately, I have no illusion that we will win. If anything, I will expect it to be 60%-40% in favour of Remain. Too many people are essentially soft eurosceptics - they don't really like the EU, but they don't feel strongly enough about it to want to Leave. I think people who are actually pro-EU are a minority. I think there are a lot of hard eurosceptics, but not enough to win a referendum.

I actually think it'll be a fairly quick and rapid transition to some sort of agreement of trade but no free movement. We will have the upper hand at that poiint.



The pro-EU politicians will probably elect to do that, but that's not want the people will want (if we vote to Leave). We're arguing against that.



I don't think it will be anything like four years of uncertainty. Big corporations will have a lot of influence, and they will be eager to get the UK and the EU to hammer out some sort of deal that is good for both parties.

You worry too much.



If they start that bollocks, we retaliate. We have lots of other countries that want to trade with us too. If they want to be dickheads about it that much, we just take our business elsewhere.

As I said, it's the heads of the EU thinking like that - not influential people in the member countries. The influential people in the member countries will put pressure on the EU to hammer something out with the UK.



There is no way I'd ever vote to rejoin the EU. Ever. I think the EU is in a more vulnerable position than the UK is. If we Leave, other EU countries will want to Leave too. The EU will probably think of revenge a lot, but sensible heads on both sides will prevail and we will have a deal that everyone is happy with. We will have a specialised deal for the UK, without free movement (so better than what the EFTA countries have).



That's not quite the same. The High Court judges should not be making laws up in any case - I despise 'judicial activism'. Laws should be made by UK parliaments alone. I would institute a new regime of local, county level and national direct democracy.



Well, I'm the leader of my house (because I'm the only one living there and my mother is the leader of her house. The three people living at her house could decide to depose her if they wanted.



No, it isn't. They literally make our laws and there is nothing we can do to be rid of them.

I agree that we could probably do to elect the Lords. One step at a time, though.

The EU will destroy the entire continent before it is all said and done, you're an island you don't have to deal with this. Turkey will be allowed into the EU along with 80 million Muslims, they have zero control of their borders and there will be a NEVER ending flow. This is the end of Europe, the end of western civilization. Will there always be an England? I don't know anymore, it's sad that our grandparents fought and died to protect what we're are giving away to this satanic globalist order. The Brits are so lucky, they have a chance to fire the shot heard around the world and spark the revolutionary change that we need to save our peoples from the globalists who wish to debase/destroy/and ultimately subjugate all nations on earth.

I moved all my investments into cash in case the market sinks on a "leave vote".

I will snipe some nice profit if that happens.

...I am going to put up some US press relating to the " Stay/Leave " vote ~ including ones that may annoy the , I think , generally pro-Brexit posters here , as they tend to be (directly or indirectly) pro-" Stay " !
I am in a hurry to get these up while it's still topical , so I may just put up general info/names , not links , which take time for me to do .

We had our own little Brexit back in 1776 and we did OK. You will too. Go for it, UK folks.

...In San Jose , California ~ The 10th biggest city in the U.S. and " The Capital Of Silicon Valley " (Plus , Dionne Warwick sang about wanting to go- back there and I seem to recall a 50s rock'n'roll instrumental called " San Joze " or similar) ~ No , really ! !! !! !! !! ! the local paper , the MERCURY NEWS , editorialized on June 20 in favor of " Stay " , I posted it on my Facebook (where I have posted political pieces I don't nessecarily agree with if they interest me) . On the Mercury News's site I found an Associated Press piece titled " Brexit Explained " presumably trying to just that for the American audience , it doesn't seem to be Facebook-postable (Oooh, now I was able to post it ! ) .
You might wonder if the Big 2 " businesslike " national newspapers in the U.S. , the New York Times and Wall Street Journal , have editorialized on S/L . I don't know , but I wouldn't be suprised if they decided to be " tasteful " and not directly editorialize on it . I bought a Times today , though , and saw 3 S/L-related articles , one a technically neutral article by Steven Erlanger and Stephen Castle actually headlined " ' Brexit ' ~ Cameron's Problem of His Own Making " which I guess sorta weighs pro-Stay (To-day's San Francisco Chronicle reprinted it , furthermore .) . Then , a " human interest " piece by Kimiko De Freyhas-Tamura profiles a London family where the parents and children feel differently about S/L and an " Op-Ed " opinion piece by a pro-Stay Brit named Martin Fletcher which argues that the anti-EU U.K. press prints distorted , untrue , anti-EU stories ~ and criticizes Boris Johnson by name !
I sometimes read the sorta leftish New York Review of Books (I read their coverage of the Scotland referendum) , I haven't seen them on S/L ~ I tend to think they'd be " pro-Stay , but not exactly saying it in any articles they'd write " , just as the liberal Times and conservative Journal would , I think . To-day's San Francisco Chronicle had a business column piece by their Thomas Lee headlined " Silicon Valley favors intact EU " !
For one more " genteel " American writer who's come out pro-Leave , though , the conservative columnist George Will wrote one a couplish weeks back (May 26) saying so , I assume you can find it somehow .
Was the Scotland referendum held on a Thursday ? I'm asking this because of the American tradition of holding elections (National-related ones , anyway ?) on Tuesday , I wonder if there any U.K. paralell .