Hey kids: Don't be a sucker for socialism

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But Scandinavian countries aren't truly socialist. They have corporations like Ikea and Nokia. Remember that the definition of socialism is the means of production belong to the community as a whole.

In a truly socialist country it wouldn't be a question of how much to tax the rich, it would be a question of weather to send the rich to the collective farms or the collective factories.

Socialism can be anti-intellectual.

By congress. On things we need like health care and education.

They mostly talk about raising taxes on low and middle income workers.

That's BS. Democratic Socialists believe in a progressive tax that is heavily weighted towards the very rich. I guess the GOP can't win these days without lying. I mean they JUST gave away billions of dollars to the rich with their tax "reform" (theft). It's not like we don't read the news.

Maybe, but this is about what they talk about.

What they talk about is .... taxes they want to raise on poor and middle class people.

-2.2% raise tax brackets on all income levels
-payroll tax for medical care
-payroll tax for family leave
-carbon tax (which is passed onto consumers)
-oil tax (which is passed onto consumers)
-increase corporate taxes (which is passed onto consumers)
-stock transaction tax (essentially a new sales tax on financial transactions)

Which of course, is why their ideas are dead.

More lies. Building the middle class is what the movement is ALL about. Thinking that reducing corporate taxes will decrease the burden on consumers is a damn lie. That money goes right into the pockets of the rich who are getting richer while our wages stagnate. And then they use it to buy politicians who pass more laws to help the rich. This can't continue if we still want a Democracy.

that doesn't affect working class people who by and large can't afford to do the stock market in the first place.

A stock transaction tax would level the playing field. It would mean that people succeed from their won work instead of someone else's.

It would also make discourage people from frivolous speculation, which can drive stock prices over and above their actual value, which can lead to events like the crash of '29.

the right wing here wants anything but a level playing field, they want it overwhelmingly tilted in their direction for their exclusive benefit, "winner take all."

Q: What did socialists use before candles?

A: Electricity.

That's what my understanding of market socialism is. I'd call Scandinavian nations market socialist nations. Though they probably are more capitalist than that, in all honesty.

That being said, I don't think people who self identify as socialist want to completely abolish capitalism. It's a means of implementing socialist ideals which will often be to the benefit of the poorer classes, granted the upper classes may not face such stability.

What are the DSers’ industrial development plans like?

Bad Economic Policies Kill More Children than War

Recent reports that infants now die at a higher rate in Venezuela than in war-torn Syria were, sadly, unsurprising—the results of socialist economics are predictable. Venezuela’s infant mortality rate has actually been above Syria’s since 2008.

The big picture, fortunately, is happier. The global infant mortality rate has plummeted. Even Syria and Venezuela, despite the impact of war and failed policies, saw improvements up to as recently as last year. From 1960 to 2015, Syria’s infant mortality rate fell by 91% and Venezuela’s by 78%. This year (not reflected in the graph above or below), Syria’s rate rose from 11.1 per 1,000 live births to 15.4, while Venezuela’s shot up from 12.9 to 18.6. Meanwhile, infant mortality rates have continued to fall practically everywhere else, and have declined even faster in countries that enjoy more freedom and stability.

https://humanprogress.org/article.php?p=439

Hard to know whether we can believe what you post anymore tbh

It affects anyone with a retirement plan at work.

It affects middle class people who save and invest.