I am for the legalization of Mary Jane nationwide!

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18 Jun 2016, 3:00 pm

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Nope, not a supporter. Because people in general are stupid. We haven't dona a bang up job with tobacco and alcohol legal, why add yet another society burdening vice? and it will end up burdening society.

I definitely say let a few states be the guinea pigs for a 15 year study and if it all looks Grreat? have votes again for nationwide ban lift


How would it burden society?



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19 Jun 2016, 1:26 pm

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Nope, not a supporter. Because people in general are stupid. We haven't dona a bang up job with tobacco and alcohol legal, why add yet another society burdening vice? and it will end up burdening society.

I definitely say let a few states be the guinea pigs for a 15 year study and if it all looks Grreat? have votes again for nationwide ban lift


"We haven't dona a bang up job with tobacco and alcohol legal, why add yet another society burdening vice?"

Why legalize marijuana?

Then you can stop putting people in jail that don't deserve it. Some people think this is very important. Think about it: People sell alcohol that can give you cirrhosis of the liver and other diseases...and marijuana NOT. And tobacco with it's cancer (lungs, lips, stomach, etc.) and all....and marijuana NOT. It would be much smarter to begin putting restrictions on these things AT THE SAME TIME.

And you can say "it will end up burdening society" but you have no proof for your statement. It's only a "burden" because some politicians thought it would be a good idea to drive Mexicans from the California gold fields, and to demonize people of color for using it (read about marijuana legal history). The hate is in the hater's brain, not in marijuana.



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19 Jun 2016, 1:37 pm

If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.



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19 Jun 2016, 1:49 pm

Also, I personally, don't want to be around "dopers".

I don't want to have to inhale the stuff.

In my state, we banned cigarette smoking in every public area except casinos.



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19 Jun 2016, 2:02 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.


I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

In the case of a bus driver (etc.) it would be the same as would be the case of alcohol consumption.

Any more suggestions?

EDIT: Removed duplicate paragraph.



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19 Jun 2016, 2:08 pm

ZenDen wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.


I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

In the case of a bus driver (etc.) it would be the same as would be the case of alcohol consumption.

I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

Any more suggestions?

Your response does not address the concern though.

Let's say you work as a school bus driver, and right before your afternoon shift, on your lunch break, you catch a wiff of second-hand pot, and as a non-smoker you have very low tolerance , will your judgement be impaired ?

Has that second-hand smoke just put the lives of children at risk?



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19 Jun 2016, 2:10 pm

Something about the thread title got me thinking...

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19 Jun 2016, 3:16 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
ZenDen wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.


I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

In the case of a bus driver (etc.) it would be the same as would be the case of alcohol consumption.

I see no reason why, except for medical marijuana, the same restrictions against smoking tobacco in public should not be used. Over time people will realize and accept medical marijuana is more than getting high, and hopefully will amend or adjust for trace amounts.

Any more suggestions?

Your response does not address the concern though.

Let's say you work as a school bus driver, and right before your afternoon shift, on your lunch break, you catch a wiff of second-hand pot, and as a non-smoker you have very low tolerance , will your judgement be impaired ?

Has that second-hand smoke just put the lives of children at risk?

There's weed out there strong enough to get someone stoned from just a whiff?!?Where?Sounds like some good s**t.lol
I doubt anyone is going to get f****d up from just smelling pot.The unfairness of drug tests is that THC stays in the body for weeks after smoking.So someone could fail a pee test from smoking a doobie on their day off.That's not going to impair their driving on Monday morning.


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19 Jun 2016, 3:47 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
If it's legal, what about "second-hand smoke"?

There are people who work jobs in which -- by state law-- they cannot have any "dope" in their bodies.

For example, "school bus drivers" get random drug tests, and are fired if there is any trace of dope in their bodies.


You can't assume there'd be pot smoke everywhere if it's legalized. You can't just walk around drinking in most places. You can't smoke tobacco just anywhere. So this bus driver would have to be at someone's house or in a pot friendly establishment in order to be exposed.



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19 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm

BeakyBird, very thoughtful post earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing the details about marijuana's spiritual origins and how that relates to religion today. Very interesting. :) I would still say that marijuana use today has little to do with spirituality, but I guess today's context doesn't matter to the religious.

Re: addiction, according to the study cited in this thread, which was also quite interesting, addiction estimates are around nine percent of users, followed by alcohol in the low twenties, then cocaine, then heroin, and then tobacco at 67 percent. I had no idea. There's also info in the study about the different strains of marijuana and their effects, as well as the vulnerability to addiction of people with mental health conditions. If I had known that the addiction rate for alcohol was that high, I might never have tried it. Turns out that I'm pretty sensitive to alcohol anyway, so I won't ever be an alcoholic.



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19 Jun 2016, 6:46 pm

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BeakyBird, very thoughtful post earlier in the thread. Thanks for sharing the details about marijuana's spiritual origins and how that relates to religion today. Very interesting. :) I would still say that marijuana use today has little to do with spirituality, but I guess today's context doesn't matter to the religious.

Re: addiction, according to the study cited in this thread, which was also quite interesting, addiction estimates are around nine percent of users, followed by alcohol in the low twenties, then cocaine, then heroin, and then tobacco at 67 percent. I had no idea. There's also info in the study about the different strains of marijuana and their effects, as well as the vulnerability to addiction of people with mental health conditions. If I had known that the addiction rate for alcohol was that high, I might never have tried it. Turns out that I'm pretty sensitive to alcohol anyway, so I won't ever be an alcoholic.


Thanks. Yeah, it's a really serious issue depending on who you talk to with that perspective. You get your "all things from the Earth are ok" types, but it's hard to resolve that scripturally. Which is why I'm not Christian anymore. Someone who's very focused on rules and literal interpretations of them it's so hard to live that way in 2016 without going nuts. But that's an entirely different issue. And a very long one.

"Addiction Rates" are something I'd be skeptical of period. How does one define at what point something is an addiction or not? That definition is somewhat subjective. There's both physical and psychological addictions. MJ is often said to not have physical addictive qualities. To which I say BS from extensive personal experience. But I'm also a person very prone to addiction. When I don't have it for a few days, I feel sick, like a mild flu. I get very very irritable, can be quite irrational, and often, if days become weeks, fall into a fairly deep depression. Now it is hard to separate the direct effects of it's removal from the loss of it's self-medicating effect on issues that I use it for.

All of the figures seem intuitively off to me. Heroin coming in at below 67% seems unlikely. And again, what is Heroin addiction? If you do it only on the weekends every week (which people rarely stay at- if ever), are you not an "addict"...

While I love pot and for me it's helped way more than it's hurt (it has hurt, I'm not delusional hippy about it) I know it's not for everyone, and will warn people who seem like they may not have a bad reaction. Thing is if done responsibly, in a small amount, it can be tried by virtually anyone, with the worst case scenario being a slightly uncomfortable evening.



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19 Jun 2016, 7:21 pm

The estimated addiction rate for heroin seemed low to me, in the high twenties. Yes, addiction is a bit subjective, and I don't know how these numbers were derived. Still, I'm inclined to believe that pot is not as addictive as, say, heroin or tobacco. Its effects are more long-lasting than alcohol though.

Sorry to hear that you get so ill from pot withdrawal. Is there a way to lower the dose more gradually, or does pot not work that way?



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19 Jun 2016, 7:49 pm

Do you guys want a cheap alternative to gasoline? One that is much safer? Well legalization of cannabis and hemp are somewhat tied together, even though industrial hemp doesn't contain THC, or it does in such a minute amount. Also, cannabis can be legalized like how it is in Jamaica. You can smoke it in your house, on your property, in a hotel room, but not out in public.



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19 Jun 2016, 9:52 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
Do you guys want a cheap alternative to gasoline? One that is much safer? Well legalization of cannabis and hemp are somewhat tied together, even though industrial hemp doesn't contain THC, or it does in such a minute amount. Also, cannabis can be legalized like how it is in Jamaica. You can smoke it in your house, on your property, in a hotel room, but not out in public.


Get my car high while driving - - I'm all for that! :lol:


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19 Jun 2016, 11:09 pm

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The estimated addiction rate for heroin seemed low to me, in the high twenties. Yes, addiction is a bit subjective, and I don't know how these numbers were derived. Still, I'm inclined to believe that pot is not as addictive as, say, heroin or tobacco. Its effects are more long-lasting than alcohol though.

Sorry to hear that you get so ill from pot withdrawal. Is there a way to lower the dose more gradually, or does pot not work that way?


Pot is certainly on the lower end of addictions for sure. But I had an easier time by far quitting smoking tobacco than pot. Quit tobacco for years.

Yeah well if I lived in a medical state, I wouldn't get withdrawal :lol: I don't b***h too much about it because it is still a choice, even though it makes things easier for me.