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28 Jun 2016, 5:09 pm

There is a pattern ....

tell poor, uneducated people that their lives suck, because of immigrants, Muslims, "the elite", "free trade", and "globalism" .....



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28 Jun 2016, 5:11 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
There is a pattern ....

tell poor, uneducated people that their lives sucks, because of immigrants, Muslims, "the elite", "free trade", and "globalism" .....


That's why Trump loves the uneducated.



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28 Jun 2016, 5:15 pm

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I'm actually with Dillogic here. Nazis are a complete waste of human life. But freedom of speech means we have to tolerate the speech of the most hateful people. Using violence against any group cedes the moral high ground.


Not just the moral high ground, I don't see violent conflict going well for the US left if it came down to it. There's also of course the irony of celebrating political violence against a group loathed in part because of it's use of political violence...


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28 Jun 2016, 6:04 pm

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Isn't that a wee bit harsh, mr. Robespierre?...

Nazis murdered most of my ancestors and the world lost about 50 million to WWII. Yeah I'm harsh, they don't deserve to live.



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28 Jun 2016, 6:13 pm

IMO, there will always be ironies in the social and political atmospheres.


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28 Jun 2016, 6:15 pm

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Isn't that a wee bit harsh, mr. Robespierre?...

Nazis murdered most of my ancestors and the world lost about 50 million to WWII. Yeah I'm harsh, they don't deserve to live.

Cry me a river. Tutsi militias murdered a large part of my family on my mother's side in 1972.

Guess what happened a few decades later when someone decided they didn't deserve to live...


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28 Jun 2016, 6:33 pm

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Nazis murdered most of my ancestors and the world lost about 50 million to WWII. Yeah I'm harsh, they don't deserve to live.


That's not an argument, as the Nazis (Germans from Germany, actually) that instigated that war aren't the same as the "Neo-Nazis" here. Nor are they the same as the Germans in Germany now.

Even if they have the exact same ideology, only one of them kicked off WW2 (and they paid their dues for it). The "Neo-Nazis" said some things people don't agree with outside of a building.

I bet whatever culture you identify with has also committed atrocities in the past, and you should probably think they deserve to die all the same.



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28 Jun 2016, 8:13 pm

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It's never wrong to attack a Nazi.


It's never wrong to attack a homosexual
it's never wrong to attack a communist
it's never wrong to attack a white person
it's never wrong to attack a woman
et cetera

What's your point?



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28 Jun 2016, 8:21 pm

I have no problem with Germans, I've been there twice and have German friends. I don't care if Neo-Nazis didn't start a war (yet), they worship Hitler's butthole and would have liked his plans to come to pass. Beliefs are not without consequences, and one of the consequences of wishing me dead is that you become my enemy. Neo-Nazism isn't merely a culture, it's an ideology. That being said, I would not wish my government to represent or implement my own personal views on this issue.



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29 Jun 2016, 7:45 am

Soo on that coin, my ancestors made deals with the British Crown for immigration and land purchase (which to us was weird, you can;t exactly pick it up an carry it). Suddenly immigrants poured over our borders and many native extinct (larger tribes like my grannys made it through with decimated population).

Can we kill every man woman and child that cannot show some type of DNA heritage?
Or how about pure only (oh well, it was a nice life while it lasted.... I will take it like a man!)
We simply were not populous enough to offer enough resistance even if all had been armed equally.
What is to be said. Now we didn't die by the numbers Stalin and Hitler racked up if you want to go by the numbers to downplay it but if percentage of population is used, in some cases of certain tribes it was 100% genocide of a people.

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/ ... -genocide/

So get off it. It didn't happen to YOU, you are alive,. Just as I am a survivor but watered down. It is done. If Nazis are bad then the whole federal govt of the USA is. Ethnic cleansing is common in many nation states even today and it often leads to genocide.

Quote:
Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.”

— P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland


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29 Jun 2016, 8:07 am

These people currently advocate genocide. They consciously adopted this idea. It's not like they inherited this ideology genetically.

I have absolutely no issue with the descendants of Nazis, slaveholders, or those responsible for the genocide of Native Americans.



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29 Jun 2016, 9:17 am

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These people currently advocate genocide. They consciously adopted this idea. It's not like they inherited this ideology genetically.

I have absolutely no issue with the descendants of Nazis, slaveholders, or those responsible for the genocide of Native Americans.


They don't advocate "genocide".

Go to their website, read their platform.
http://www.tradworker.org/

I read it. I watched much of their video.

However, they do advocate SOCIALISM, so I can understand why people would hate them.



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29 Jun 2016, 10:08 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
AspE wrote:
These people currently advocate genocide. They consciously adopted this idea. It's not like they inherited this ideology genetically.

I have absolutely no issue with the descendants of Nazis, slaveholders, or those responsible for the genocide of Native Americans.


They don't advocate "genocide".

Go to their website, read their platform.
http://www.tradworker.org/

I read it. I watched much of their video.

However, they do advocate SOCIALISM, so I can understand why people would hate them.

They are also liars and racists. Neo-Nazis often try to present a kindly face to their hate group, but intelligent people know better. I bet they are under surveillance by the FBI.



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29 Jun 2016, 11:46 am

AspE wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
AspE wrote:
These people currently advocate genocide. They consciously adopted this idea. It's not like they inherited this ideology genetically.

I have absolutely no issue with the descendants of Nazis, slaveholders, or those responsible for the genocide of Native Americans.


They don't advocate "genocide".

Go to their website, read their platform.
http://www.tradworker.org/

I read it. I watched much of their video.

However, they do advocate SOCIALISM, so I can understand why people would hate them.

They are also liars and racists. Neo-Nazis often try to present a kindly face to their hate group, but intelligent people know better. I bet they are under surveillance by the FBI.


So you seem to be saying, your reasons for anger are enough to take away liberties granted by our Constitution to all American citizens. That's obviously un-American....more toward the Nazi way of thinking...wouldn't you agree? If not then you must espouse the right of any person to attack any other they don't agree with on moral grounds? This type of thinking belongs in a dictator controlled country not in the United States....maybe you want to move somewhere where this hate filled speech will be appreciated? Maybe you'd be more comfortable; maybe Russia?

These pathetic people in Sacramento really are never going to cause genocide. But what about other countries and regimes that do practice genocide???? Where is your anger for them? Are you trying to equate these "posers" with some dictator's real agenda: killing entire populations? What Constitutional Right would you like taken from you, and those you love?

All those fools in Sacramento were doing was trying to make you angry, and cause a scene to press their point and make a big media splash. You and those idiot demonstrators with their signs fell for it.



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29 Jun 2016, 12:42 pm

As I explained, I don't believe in taking their rights from them. It's just personal. When Allied troops bombed Germany, did it mean they believed as a principle that murdering innocent people was good? I don't think I have any constitutional right to attack them physically.



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29 Jun 2016, 1:53 pm

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As I explained, I don't believe in taking their rights from them. It's just personal. When Allied troops bombed Germany, did it mean they believed as a principle that murdering innocent people was good? I don't think I have any constitutional right to attack them physically.


And neither do any so-called anti-fascist Nazis.

The same goes for those slime-balls, La Raza, and their thugs. Another bunch of Nazis if you ask me.