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29 Jun 2016, 2:17 pm

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That being said, if you saw a side of your friends you didn't like and can't accept, then by all means move on.

I saw a side of most people I know here which I don't like at all.

And a lot of the dating profiles I've come across on OKC and POF come across as very stand-offish, too, from my region. There's a lot of self-labelling, identity politics, man-hating in them as well.

Whatever happened to the normal girls who just like their hobbies, have a job, have some personal skills they want to share, and their own sense of humour? It's like social media has poisoned the well. They've got to be out there!

(And before I get it in the ear from people who would only serve to prove my point, the reason I'm referring to women although guys are just as bad, is because I'm not after a guy)


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29 Jun 2016, 2:19 pm

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You do understand that the anonymity of the Internet has much to do with the vitriol that people express on the Internet?

People who espouse extremist views on the Internet, most likely, are merely just "venting." They are only expressing one aspect of themselves.

In real life, do you think these people will have anybody who listens to them?

I work in a legal setting. There are many woman lawyers and judges. I've never had ONE WOMAN upbraid me for opening a door for her, or for other "social niceties." Many of them espouse Feminist views--but they realize that people are people, and are not part of some Patriarchy/Matriarchy, whatever. They don't get all hung up on being offended by every little thing.


Honestly, the 'being offended by every little thing' is something that I have only seen on WP.

Even on other Anglophone forums, with equal gender ratios, aren't like this.



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29 Jun 2016, 2:21 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:
That being said, if you saw a side of your friends you didn't like and can't accept, then by all means move on.

I saw a side of most people I know here which I don't like at all.

And a lot of the dating profiles I've come across on OKC and POF come across as very stand-offish, too, from my region. There's a lot of self-labelling, identity politics, man-hating in them as well.

Whatever happened to the normal girls who just like their hobbies, have a job, have some personal skills they want to share, and their own sense of humour? It's like social media has poisoned the well. They've got to be out there!

(And before I get it in the ear from people who would only serve to prove my point, the reason I'm referring to women although guys are just as bad, is because I'm not after a guy)


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In real life, do you think these people will have anybody who listens to them?

Considering the people I'm mostly on about are in social circles that I'm in direct contact with, thus my own realistic means of interacting with women outside of dating websites...yes.

@Boo, I'm on about real life people on the most part, and their means of socialising including social media. So while internet behaviour comes into it, it is internet behaviour of people I at least have some connection to, not total strangers, which is why I feel alienated.


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29 Jun 2016, 2:23 pm

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Aristophanes wrote:
That being said, if you saw a side of your friends you didn't like and can't accept, then by all means move on.

I saw a side of most people I know here which I don't like at all.

And a lot of the dating profiles I've come across on OKC and POF come across as very stand-offish, too, from my region. There's a lot of self-labelling, identity politics, man-hating in them as well.

Whatever happened to the normal girls who just like their hobbies, have a job, have some personal skills they want to share, and their own sense of humour? It's like social media has poisoned the well. They've got to be out there!

(And before I get it in the ear from people who would only serve to prove my point, the reason I'm referring to women although guys are just as bad, is because I'm not after a guy)


hmm I will reply to this in pm because it will be too non-PC.



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29 Jun 2016, 2:31 pm

I remember hanging out with a bunch of people who were politically-inclined in Greenwich Village in the 1970s-1980s. I do get what you mean. Ideology trumps reality with these people.

I was fortunate enough to find, however, that this sort of ideology trumping reality is rare outside of these so-called circles. Many of these people have an axe to grind, frankly. And many of them are not worth talking to, because they don't LISTEN! All they do is try to find some rhetorical device or other to veer away from the essence of the thing, and to make sure THEIR take on an issue is the one which wins the argument. Lot of this stuff is pure ego.

People who have to work for a living, and have to raise kids, are almost always more moderate in outlook. This is because they were forced to become moderate through having to compromise for the sake of their livelihood (and their kids).



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29 Jun 2016, 2:33 pm

I want to thank people for being at least patient and trying to understand in this thread.

I guess I'm trying to explain what I want to say but my reluctance to do so in case people from my day-to-day life will uncover it, or the special snowflake brigade seek to "win" a debate rather than guide me towards the light, makes it very difficult.

In short, this is a thread about dating, and the problem is all the interest groups, work people and business prospects I have are all super-left wing that it's part of everything they do. Everyone's life here seems to be a protest, an attempt to fight battles, defend all groups of all kinds but constantly remind me in spite of being broke I'm somehow lucky and to think otherwise results in exclusion, name calling, shaming and so on. For Americans chiming into this thread, think of the Current campus culture over there and that will sum up me trying to interact with anyone locally between 18-40 perfectly.

Brexit has made it worse yes, and that will fade, but they've always been like this and it's gotten worse over time. Simply put, I feel there is no place for someone like me here in my own back yard, even more so when it comes to finding a date.
I think I've explained myself, you're welcome to tell me I'm wrong (somehow) but I guess I'm here for advice on LDR's. I'd consider girls from WP btw, Boo! But I was met with extreme vitriol here as well when I made it clear just one time I wasn't attracted to someone nor did I find them interesting (and this was not even from the girl I was interacting with but someone who had asked me about it). Almost like I had no say in the matter, so understandably that's made me very defensive of even engaging women on WP.

Kraftie - yep. Well put. But most of the people in my age group here fit that description so I am rather limited.


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29 Jun 2016, 2:40 pm

What you're talking about is campus culture.

Once people leave the campus, they have to run into real life.

Encountering real life, usually, takes the edge off the "extremist" views which people espoused while they were going to college/university.

It's possible that some of these people still believe in what they believe in while they were on campus--but the edge, usually, is usually dulled through life experience, and encounters with many different sorts of people.

They realize that reality trumps ideology every time.



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02 Jul 2016, 3:13 pm

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It's no secret the UK's non straight white males as a majority are very left leaning in political views.
After much assessment, I've come to realise that due to my political beliefs:

-I have nothing in common with my gamer crowds,
-I have nothing in common with the artists I used to hang out with, and organise events with,
-I have little in common with my peers, they are somewhat divided,
-I have nothing in common with previous crowds I went to school with or worked with,
-The ones i do share common views with unfortunately also hold a lot of views about foreigners, pay, governance, work, art, and all my hobbies that equally isolate me from them and would not want me to be seen as associated with them.

It only took the Brexit to figure that out, eh!

Short of leaving the Uk it seems my best alternative to finding a girlfriend in the States, Canada, Aus or NZ.
Rather than dwell on it, and blame anybody, I think it's better I figure out how to meet women from there that...want to meet guys from here!

Are there any tips or advice from people who have had long term LDR's where to go from here? I've had LDR's before, but with varied success and from European/South American background so culture will be different.

Let me get this straight.

Are you saying that British men all vote for leave, and the majority of British women vote for stay, and since you're a British guy who voted for leave you are incompatible with all British women because of politics?

WOW! The Brexit Referendum just turned a whole nation of 60 million folks into homosexuals!



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04 Jul 2016, 4:20 pm

What does Brexit have to do with Love and Dating?


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04 Jul 2016, 4:24 pm

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What does Brexit have to do with Love and Dating?



Everything have an impact on Love and Dating.

Even Jupiter.



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05 Jul 2016, 2:05 am

It's the same with Republicans here. Even secular Republicans like myself (though I am a practicing Lutheran) are treated as if we were far-right extremists.

If you are looking for someone who likes animated comedies and/or is the artsy type, you'd better be a Democrat. Most political conservatives think those things are as bad as porn.


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05 Jul 2016, 2:33 am

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It's the same with Republicans here. Even secular Republicans like myself (though I am a practicing Lutheran) are treated as if we were far-right extremists.

If you are looking for someone who likes animated comedies and/or is the artsy type, you'd better be a Democrat. Most political conservatives think those things are as bad as porn.

Yeah this sort of identity politics confuses me. Political groups have staked claims on interests and sub cultures when in reality they in my mind should be mutually exclusive.

I'm guessing this is down to things like the sports world being dominated by Republican figures and the entertainment industry being dominated by Democrats.

So people will think I'm a walking contradiction even though my hobbies don't and shouldn't have anything to do with where I am on the political spectrum. Needless to say all the people who identify with my hobbies don't identify with my politics and being around these people is very awkward as they constantly pressure me to validate their opinions. As said before, these groups are pretty much the only ways I'm able to meet new women in real life short of approaching women on the street or using dating sites. I'm attempting dating sites but can't say I find them appealing.


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05 Jul 2016, 1:37 pm

I am a pro-free market non-communist atheist, leaning more to pro west -, therefore my ideas are not so accepted by most atheists here who are usually politically communists, marxists, and very anti-west.

Their reason of atheism also differs; I am atheist because I was moderatly religious, then I read religions and wasn't convinced and was more convinced by science. - while them seem to be dogmatically atheists due to communism, and usually have been atheists much younger than when I first started to doubt religion. There are families here who are entirely communists.



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05 Jul 2016, 5:44 pm

TheSpectrum, it sucks that Brexit has made your situation worse.


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05 Jul 2016, 6:05 pm

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TheSpectrum, it sucks that Brexit has made your situation worse.

You're an interesting one.
New to WrongPlanet?

I think the recent events in the UK have brought the worst out in everybody and I'm unfortunately saturated in an environment that I don't belong in, so no dates for me. You see, most people will just forget these events, like every tragedy" they change their profile pic for, and move on, even though they've been vile specimens. I unfortunately am cursed with remembering everyone behaving this way, and think it's only fair I consider that any potential date willing to reduce themselves in this manner will do so again in the future in the name of appealing to peers and self preservation as opposed to genuine self-developed principles.


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06 Jul 2016, 11:08 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
ShesGone wrote:
TheSpectrum, it sucks that Brexit has made your situation worse.
You're an interesting one.
New to WrongPlanet?...
Yeah, give me your welcoming hug to this interesting person.


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