The problem of SJWs

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We are not talking about all apologies but to SJW’s and SJW influenced easily offended people. A lot of people you see doing this are not apologizing because they are really sorry but out of fear, worry for their career, fear of being labled online a racist etc. not because they have become enlightened. What good does that really do in the long run? Your use of “Nazi/white supremist” illustrates the problem. Every use of a dated phrases and microagression does not mean the person thinks like a KKK member. Comedians have been targeted lately. Comedy is in part here to relive stress or just to take a break from it. Sometimes that means being crude and rude about sensitive topics. Comedy, art, movies etc sometimes use offensive language to poke fun at and denounce hate. These artists doing it for that purpose should not have to apologize for and self censor this art.

Yes apologizing to SJW’s may not hurt the individual but overall caving in to them hurts the opportunity for new ideas to come to the fore and creates a humorless society that is psychologically damaging. We are well along the road to not being able to distinguish between crude and rude and true racists and Nazis

What about the right wing censorship? There has been way more religious based censorship in history then SJW censorship. You may have noticed we do not live in puritan times. Most people approve of and enjoy bieng at least a bit sinful. But there are plenty of people who are offended our overly sexual culture. There is not much apologizing to them, quite the opposite in fact. We are able to say do and are accepted for certain things precisely because we did not prioritize not offending people.

And until I encountered SJWs, I had never even heard of such a thing either. It's not how apologies are meant to work, but with apologies, SJWs twist and pervert things to their advantage. They don't want you to apologise to reconcile with you, they want you to apologise as it helps them destroy you.

How exactly do you know this?

From seeing numerous examples of it. Unfortunately I don't do well at remembering specific examples of SJW madness to show back. I just did a quick search and watched this video, hopefully it will help show you the rabbit hole apologising to SJWs will take you down but I wish I could have found something that shows it happen. If this company were to do any of the stuff people were saying they should do, they'd just bend the company more and more to their will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpQBREBDfQ

Anyway this thread is all about showing you the problems with SJWs. You've made me think that I think second to learning what an SJW actually is, the most important lesson you can learn for dealing with SJWs is don't apologise to them. Don't give way to them, don't make concessions for them, don't submit to their demands, as they will never stop demanding more, taking more. If you give them power over you, they'll use it on you.

I'd advise you to have a look through the thread.

That video is ridiculous, but no surprise there for yet another faceless identity of the totally rational skeptic community. Also note the second comment on this video is somebody who uses the term "cultural Marxist", the product of a nazi conspiracy theory (it means Jews).

The video displays a reasonable comment that suggests that the company should've been aware prior, but this is all a crazy social justice conspiracy. He also maintains things which were never suggested in the video, seems to imply that the man fired in question suffered an injustice (because being racist is fine) and laughs at the idea that the man was making ape like sounds (so he's probably a racist himself, then). Really not a good example for the argument.

The woman who made the comment (who was a singular person, and we have no idea of her political affiliation or level of active social justice discussion so to imply she's a SJW is to jump the gun entirely) was not spouting bile or seeing red. That comment was completely reasonable. She was just making an observation. How is that a problem? Also note it was the company who apologised, not the employee. Discussions surrounding him are different to those around the company.

Regarding the discussion in general, I've commented already and believe the term SJW is a ridiculous term because it's not an actual word or phrase recognised in natural English language. It's merely an odd term for "skeptics" and Nazi apologists to use, and any remote sign of crazy is lumped in to these categories for feelings of vindication that any sign of liberalism is insanity. Basically, a meaningless conservative tool. I should point out I used to be on your side but realised I was in the wrong the entire time, and becoming a tool for the right.

I recommend checking any hbomberguy, Shaun or Contrapoints videos to see the other side. You'll likely be surprised by how easy it is to be manipulated.

You're right about some of what you said about the video, because annoyingly this video is clearly speaking to the target audience, with the wider references to SJWs rather than just what people said in the video, instead of just what is actually in the video, rather than speaking to someone like you who doesn't already have that opinion of SJWs. I don't want to get hung up on the video as it's failed to do what I wanted so there's little point, but I do think it needs to be said that it was clearly showed that the guy in the video was racist. There's no defence of that guy in the video. You can't go saying the video maker is racist based on (imo) nothing. I'll have a look at the laugh though if you want if you tell me what point of the video it's at. Also I do think it's unreasonable to say the company should have been aware prior. How? Only a fool would be racist in the workplace. They became aware and fired him immediately. That should be enough.

You've already formed an opinion on SJW too being basically not a thing, so I don't know if there's any point continuing to try and tell you otherwise. If ASPartOfMe wants to have a go though, maybe he can do better. Maybe he will have a good example instead of my quick attempt to find something. He's better at explaining this stuff than me too.

I watched a few Contrapoints videos a year or two ago. Didn't really agree but didn't think Contra was an SJW or anything.

My problem with the video is largely that all it is doing is really defending bad business practice or racist actions. Companies these days will often assess employees by social media presence. Any company that doesn't do this should deserve the backlash that occurs when events like these occur. They should know who their employees are. Yet, again, the comment in the video was barely anything. I found it to be reasonable. It wasn't declaring a witch hunt or anything of the like. It was claiming the company should've been aware, which they should have.

I'm not saying SJW isn't a thing, I'm saying it's a buzz phrase like a lot of other neocon talking points. It doesn't have one definition, it has no criteria and thus no clear meaning. Therefore, it has no use and should not be discussed. For example, somebody handing out flyers regarding pensions could fall into the category as much as a crazy getting into people's faces about how meat is murder. This is far too broad. Anybody who has ever been an activist for anything may be part of it but there's no way of knowing because there's no rule.

Autism is a real thing that arguably has less clear meaning then SJW. Experts do not agree on what it is. Like SJW it is based on a set of observed behaviors. The term has sure has been weaponized by people with agendas.

So the term has no use and should not be discussed? We are putting the word "ret*d" out of usage for similar reasons, why not autism?

Whatever term we replace SJW with to describe these set of people the same damn thing will happen to the replacement term so we will replace that term and it will never end.

You're making assumptions. What if they don't have a social media presence? What if they haven't been racist on social media? How long would you assign to a social media search? And again, the racist has not been defended.

I'm broadly against employers judging you on what you do on your own time, though I'm not going to object to firing someone who's just done something racist. Though I also wouldn't object to no action being taken when it's not been done on work hours.

SJW is about behaviour, so yes, any type of activist could display SJW behaviour. SJW is the best descriptor we have and people know what it means.

"Anyway this thread is all about showing you the problems with SJWs. You've made me think that I think second to learning what an SJW actually is, the most important lesson you can learn for dealing with SJWs is don't apologise to them. Don't give way to them, don't make concessions for them, don't submit to their demands, as they will never stop demanding more, taking more. If you give them power over you, they'll use it on you."

This is how you dehumanize people.

They dehumanized themselves by being SJWs. They're dehumanizing you by being SJWs. The first thing they'll do is slap a label, these days likely multiple labels, on you to dehumanize you if you're not in lockstep with them. They are hostile and people need to understand this and act accordingly to protect themselves.

They dehumanize people by slapping labels on them?

You mean labels like "SJW?" Or is it only bad when "they" do it?

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True; Oh Lord Humans, 'these days'; And the Binds and Bonds they Create as Religion; even when they are not
Cognizant of the Activity they are Engaging in. Here the Common Enemy is not an Abstract Constructed Devil
Enemy as an Adversary; but hey, even in Football You Need an Adversary to Play the Game of Religion in that
Game; Same is True of Left and Right in Politics as SJW is just another Frigging Synonym for Left Like
Leftist and the New Jordan Peterson-like Flavors of Marxist and Post Modernist too; the clue is
if you move off the Common Choir Sheet you get Booted out of the Common Choir
for the Common Football Team; or the Common Political Party in Politics;
Whether that is Leftists or SJW's or Marxists as the "Terrification"
of the Different Among us too; as that's Just part of Human
Nature too; as Social Scientist Jonathan Haidt does a nice
Job of Researching/Showing that some Folks are more
open minded than others and that
applies to some Liberals and
Conservatives in Strangely
Ironic ways too. One Example now,
is Jordan Peterson; and his Recent 'Special Tweet'
that Kavanaugh should Resign; AS oh boy did that
Ire the Republican Party Choir Sheet wHere he resides
Online on YouTube too; with that Choir's own version of
PitchForks and Mobs threatening not to Follow him anymore; haha.
Anyway, Carry on; as i am enjoying the Popcorn too as i ain't no part of this Frigging same old Narrative;
Just another Participant Anthropology Observer Watching what Hairless Apes will always do as Slave to their
Shadow Nature of oneupmanship to generate a Little Serotonin to relieve the Empties inside that could otherwise
Be Filled
up in actually
Creating something
New; something Original
that Feels and Senses Good
that no one has seen or done before;
but of course that is a Right Brain thingy
in Metaphor of Left Hand Doing Life as Art;
where other Folks
continue to
Sing off their
Assigned and
Replicating Systemizing same old
Science Choir Sheets never moving
out of the Cave of Life staying with
the Same Cave Art of their Selected
Binding and Bonding Religions just
Attempting to Fill the Empties up in
the SOS Day to Day in Cave Life Art now.
Being An Actor In Someone's Else's Play Is No Religion FoR Me.

And That's Okay.
Caves Are Okay to Visit Including the SOS Art; But That's All For me.

Their labels are wrong. Saying someone is an SJW when they aren't is just as bad. Maybe I should have specified that.

Who have you heard describing themselves as an SJW?


I think that would apply to the majority of people who have been called SJWs.