DNC chairwomen resigning over email scandal

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25 Jul 2016, 9:46 am

I find that all this is pretty much a two-way street.

This is the most tacky, negative campaign (except perhaps for what occurred circa 1800) in the history of American campaigns.

All this crap has got to stop. Otherwise, we might have a Trump on our hands.



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25 Jul 2016, 9:46 am

They all suck, in my opinion.

I wish we'd get rid of our dependence on oil. That would solve many problems.

I don't believe in a global state--but I believe in cooperation in all areas by the countries of the world, rather than adversarial trade relationships.



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25 Jul 2016, 10:04 am

Trump is the only candidate that will change our course when it comes foreign policy and is all about ending our dependence to foreign eastern oil, Hillary opposes domestic energy and is essentially a neocon ideologue like George W Bush. The corrupt establishment infects both parties but Trump has defeated those forces in the GOP as they now all regroup behind Hillary in the most unholy of alliances.

I like how Hillary's statement on the DWS resignation says that she will continue to work as a surrogate for the Clinton campaign.

The system is rigged!



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25 Jul 2016, 11:05 am

Russian oil is still foreign and eastern.



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25 Jul 2016, 11:52 am

I'm absolutely amazed at the mountain of ignorance Trump's army has... they seem to have no clue he's been bailed out by the Saudis and yet they think it's Clinton that has been funded, when the difference is about 3x.



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25 Jul 2016, 12:17 pm

Brilliant and on topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJudBx4a5Eg


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25 Jul 2016, 1:34 pm

Mootoo wrote:
I'm absolutely amazed at the mountain of ignorance Trump's army has... they seem to have no clue he's been bailed out by the Saudis and yet they think it's Clinton that has been funded, when the difference is about 3x.


Again, that's a separate issue and completely off-topic. You want to post in this thread talk about DWS and the corruption we're seeing in the DNC. There are numerous threads on Trump you can post in and be on-topic.



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26 Jul 2016, 12:54 am

Well, the Bernie people have now officially been vindicated, we'll have to see what the long term fallout is. The Russian angle is pretty funny though, I'm already seeing the liberal sites trying to spin it as an attack on America to distract from what was uncovered.


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26 Jul 2016, 4:54 am

If Trump supporters seriously think Bernie supporters are suddenly going from socialist to rampant, fascistic capitalist they really don't understand their differing ideologies... unless, of course, they were seeking to just vote for anyone old or male. Surely Bernie has better hair, at the very least.



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26 Jul 2016, 8:33 am

Dox47 wrote:
Well, the Bernie people have now officially been vindicated, we'll have to see what the long term fallout is. The Russian angle is pretty funny though, I'm already seeing the liberal sites trying to spin it as an attack on America to distract from what was uncovered.


Well no security expert denies the hackers were Russian security agencies, but everything else beyond that has been pure speculation. That said, I'm pretty sure the Russians hack into anything they can over here-- it's not necessarily like this was their only target or something, just probably the softest.

You're right the focus right now should be on the DNC institution itself, no reform will happen if it's brushed under the carpet. That said, when the election is over, someone should take a good hard look into the issue because it is dangerous that a foreign actor could influence an election-- but not in the fray of an election, this is the type of investigation that needs to be undertaken soberly.

On a side note, I'm curious about the e-mails we haven't seen yet. Wikileaks has a habit of doing "click bait" type releases-- a little teaser information, and then a month or so later a little more teaser information, and finally the whole thing. Assange knows how to release information for maximum impact, and if I were the DNC or Hillary, I would be very very concerned that the worst is yet to come, because what was released so far isn't all that shocking-- it's things people already instinctively knew, but had no "proof".



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26 Jul 2016, 8:39 am

Mootoo wrote:
If Trumptards (they use a similarly stupid epithet) seriously think Bernie supporters are suddenly going from socialist to rampant, fascistic capitalist they really can't make connections in their brain about differing ideologies... unless, of course, they were seeking to just vote for anyone old or male. Surely Bernie has better hair, at the very least.


"Flipping" isn't the problem for Hillary, those voters probably won't switch-- but if they just choose to not show up that will have just as much impact on Hillary's campaign. This entire issue is a classic example of playing the short game (primary election) to the detriment of the long game (general election).



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26 Jul 2016, 9:08 am

I told you all along that Hillary was a dud candidate

Trump will win and he will take a decent portion of the Democratic electorate, it doesn't need to be large and it will be a much larger part of the party than Hillary has to win from the GOP

Go look at 1968, a good portion of Eugene McCarthy supporters ended up voting for George Wallace and there are far more Bernie supporters now than there were McCarthy supporters in 68. This has already happened before.

people are tired of the failed corrupt status quo, nothing will ever change with the Clinton's in charge

still have more leaks to come, Assange says he has one that will put Hillary in prison :D

Hllary isn't even leading now with a 3rd and 4th party, I honestly do not know anybody that isn't absolutely furious with her and they all are supporting Trump now even if not 100% because there is no alternative



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26 Jul 2016, 9:14 am

I have absolutely NO IDEA why the McCarthy supporters voted for Wallace.

There occurred apparent ignorance of what Wallace stood for.

Though I think getting shot might have mellowed Wallace a bit.



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26 Jul 2016, 9:23 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Though I think getting shot might have mellowed Wallace a bit.


*Disclaimer* We do not endorse the shooting of presidential candidates in order to 'calm them down a bit'. :lol:



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26 Jul 2016, 9:27 am

Wallace probably could of got more of the Eugene McCarthy vote too had he not made Curtis LeMay his VP too many at the end swung to Humphrey especially when LBJ stopped the bombing a couple days before the election. Still 1 in 5 McCarthy voters went for Wallace in the end.

Now lets consider the fact that Bernie represents a much bigger bloc of the Democratic vote than McCarthy ever did, Trump being a cosmopolitan Manhattanite real estate mogul and maverick as opposed to the segregationist former governor of Alabama that stood in that school house door. I'd be a bit nervous!

People are tired of the status quo!



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26 Jul 2016, 9:31 am

But of course :D