What do you think of the riots in Milwaukee?

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17 Aug 2016, 2:44 pm

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I've ALWAYS maintained that people are responsible for their own actions.

I've NEVER advocated that one race be treated with "kid gloves" and be held to a lower standard than another race.

But a lot of people do, and it's often a lot more subtle than openly defending rioters, so people tend to not notice it. We've been conditioned in this country to believe this narrative of blacks being unable to accomplish things without help like affirmative action (implies they are incapable, unintelligent etc.), that we need to be extra cautious and nice around them so as not to upset them (implies they are quick to anger and violence), that we "couldn't possibly understand what they go through" (implies that they are so different from us that we can't possibly relate to them) etc. It is a bias that I think pretty much everyone in America has, which I blame mainly on the way we teach black history in schools. We only teach about black people in the context of slavery and racism. We feed children this information, and it makes them believe that this is all that black people ever were: slaves.

In any case, these kinds of things are a way of making white people feel less guilty, but they have a negative effect on the way black people are treated. Rather than being treated with respect, they are treated with condescension, because all anyone can think of when they see a black person is slavery, and how hard it must be to be black, and so they pity them.

Yeah, let's ignore history, that should work. Ignorance is bliss!



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18 Aug 2016, 10:01 am

“I don’t care if they’re women and children, anyone coming out of a store should be shot on site.”

Really? I haven't heard of such ruthless, bestial aggression since the Bosnian genocide. Would a country commit such a heinous crime specifically in the name of free speech? It would be ironic, considering the libertarian motivation of such an amendment (I assume libertarians aren't usually first in line to commit genocide).

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18 Aug 2016, 10:05 am

hmm what an idiot...however if he actually means to go around shooting people, I am sure he'll find himself in prison.


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18 Aug 2016, 10:44 am

[Merged duplicate threads about Milwaukee]



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18 Aug 2016, 11:11 am

The_Walrus wrote:
[Merged duplicate threads about Milwaukee]

This isn't RIGHT----NOW, Mootoo's post doesn't make sense, in the context of THIS thread!!

Please, PLease, PLEASE stop policing threads!! !! ! A moderator, IMO, is to keep peace, NOT dictate to people how they should post / not post!!



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18 Aug 2016, 12:26 pm

WrongPlanet rules clearly state

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* Do not create multiple similarly themed topics; please combine them into one topic.

viewtopic.php?t=73832

It would be nice if people checked for existing threads before starting new ones on the same topic, but they don't. Dealing with this is one of the duties of the mods.



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18 Aug 2016, 1:50 pm

I use to live about 2 miles from where this all went down albeit some years ago, I don't think you can discount the idea of outside agitators or gang involvement playing a role but I'm not terribly surprised with some of the viewpoints professed by rioters as I grew up with it and I imagine the sensationalized events of the last few years has only made things worse.

The shooting that started it all is a real bitter pill to swallow as it touches almost all the bases with me; the officer and the suspect being high school classmates, the suspect washing out of special education in MPS, a notorious police force, a notorious gang culture, people don't know about Milwaukee but there is a combustible element for sure. Milwaukee is a very segregated and it's a self segregation as well an economic one, where I lived less than 2 miles away from here was not the ghetto and one of the nicer neighborhoods property values wise in the city but you cross the the bridge and over Washington Park. I'm only a little older than these two, I could of known them so it's weird. They are saying that Milwaukee is one of the worst cities in the country to be black in which I can't deny but I would add that it ain't good for anyone else trapped in the city.

There is really no black middle class in Milwaukee, the manufacturing jobs which were the economic base of the city were already leaving at the time of this migration but Milwaukee was a 'socialist' city and at one time there was I guess more generous welfare than the more economically dynamic Chicago. There were race riots in the 60s and white flight accelerated into relatively wealthy suburbs which economically discriminate and actively work to keep 'Milwaukee's issues' to themselves. The schools are absolute trash, conditioning for prison that's all I can say. The poor have gotten poorer and stayed poor in Milwaukee for many many years, the former middle class is being crushed now on top of them.

There were like 3 murders and 5 different shootings in the hood the night before this cop killed this guy and that violence has exploded over the last couple years in this area, I doubt many people know that since officer involved shootings are what get the headlines. There is body camera footage to this shooting so we'll get the answers to any questions needed to be answered. I do think these agitators should be looked at, the arsons in particular seem very odd to me since that's their own neighborhood and there is these reports I see about some 'revolutionary' communist group being part of this. I've been in the city thru much more painful times than this so something is different.



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18 Aug 2016, 2:11 pm

Thanks for the insights, Jacoby. I learned quite a bit.



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18 Aug 2016, 2:13 pm

Thanks for that information, Jacoby. That's a very good point- that outside agitators could be stirring the pot.

These devastated regions need significant societal rebuilding. It's disgusting to think that big players could be manipulating their problems to win a point one way or another.



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18 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm

Adamantium wrote:
WrongPlanet rules clearly state
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* Do not create multiple similarly themed topics; please combine them into one topic.

I interpret that as meaning ONE PERSON shouldn't post multiple similarly themed topics----that they should combine all their thoughts regarding ONE topic, into ONE thread.

It would be nice if people checked for existing threads before starting new ones on the same topic, but they don't. Dealing with this is one of the duties of the mods.

I don't feel these topics are the same----one is about riots, and the other is about genocide. Just because both topics mention the same town, does not make them about the same thing. That would be like me making a thread about how good the ice cream is in Baltimore, and someone else coming-along and talking about public transportation in Baltimore, and then having them merged, because they were both talking about things in Baltimore.

Alex has said:


"...I don't see the point in trying to contain discussions into megathreads. That will turn into an unmanageable mess of discussions that you have to wade through just to find the discussion that you want to engage in."

http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=327185&p=7259542#p7259542

I feel that advice "works" EVERYWHERE.


[restored your original quoting style-Adamantium]



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18 Aug 2016, 5:00 pm

If the other post was about genocide, then it doesn't make sense to merge the two.

My understanding is that duplicate topic threads by different people are to be avoided, though standard procedure is to lock the later thread and link the end of it to the pre-existing thread on the same topic.

I'll ask the mods for clarification/consensus on this issue and get back to you.



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18 Aug 2016, 5:47 pm

Adamantium wrote:
[fixed the quotes-your comments were showing up inside my quote in a way that made it hard to read--Adamantium]

You didn't "fix" them----I PURPOSELY made the post that way, as I often do when I have several things to respond to, in a post; to ME that makes it easier for the person I'm responding to, and others who read it, to keep track of what comment was made to what comment----and, especially, because I use a different color.



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19 Aug 2016, 2:22 am

if there wasn't a generations-long systemic institutional harassment of colored/poor folk, then chances are there wouldn't be this degree of hypersensitivity among those communities towards abuses by cops.



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19 Aug 2016, 3:27 am

Mootoo wrote:
“I don’t care if they’re women and children, anyone coming out of a store should be shot on site.”

Really? I haven't heard of such ruthless, bestial aggression since the Bosnian genocide. Would a country commit such a heinous crime specifically in the name of free speech? It would be ironic, considering the libertarian motivation of such an amendment (I assume libertarians aren't usually first in line to commit genocide).

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Of course, somebody had to make this about evil white people. Ignore the violent mobs screaming "Black power!" and targeting any white person they see in the streets; we should be more worried about some moronic redneck.

I like how they put "looters" in quotes, as if that wasn't actually happening during the riots. Liberals are morons. I consider myself a liberal, but I'm finding I often have to take the side of conservatives on these issues, because liberals will defend and minimize the most deplorable behavior as long as it's coming from a black person.


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19 Aug 2016, 3:32 am

auntblabby wrote:
if there wasn't a generations-long systemic institutional harassment of colored/poor folk, then chances are there wouldn't be this degree of hypersensitivity among those communities towards abuses by cops.

There are ways to protest that don't involve targeting innocent people with violence. And that's without even acknowledging the fact that what started these riots was the completely justified shooting of an armed black man by a black police officer. It is absolutely ridiculous to defend these people.


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