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AspieUtah
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03 Sep 2016, 11:33 am

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When I mentioned crime rate I mean compared to other countries... of course, gun laws are a factor too, but it all chimes in to a higher murder rate, it seems:

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When your average citizen thinks it's unsafe perhaps in this context it is, but mostly due to internal issues, nothing external like the orangutan demagogue says, and in the same vein essentially giving him total freedom to say absolutely anything is likely to lead to a rise generally in bullying, just as supremacist groups feel invigorated.

There's really a spectrum of free speech... obviously political criticism should always be allowed (well, we'll see about that if free speech, ironically then, elects a fascist which takes away that speech, which happened before and elsewhere...)

So, as a rate, United States homocides are 0.000055 percent of the overall population. I wish it weren't so, but it is hardly something to complain about. According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety ( http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... e-overview ), the rate for such deaths is 0.000102. Most Americans don't blink when they climb into a motor vehicle. Why, then, do they care so much about a homocide rate which is half that of motor-vehicle deaths?


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03 Sep 2016, 7:27 pm

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Over the Atlantic there is obviously a bigger problem with no mere subtle racism in combination with a smorgasbord of firearms, and whether or not absolute free speech (Westboro for the military aficionados, not seemingly a good combination) is contributory is to be debated, but it's frankly disgusting how, even on these boards, where the level of discussion is certainly more civil and rational than most of social media, people feel free to just say that words mean nothing, or even that when an actual crime is committed hate cannot be attributed based on context and circumstances. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... k-in-essex e.g. - lots of assaults since the referendum, but this one resulted in death (all because he was speaking a different language... what is this, the dictatorship of the illiterate monoglots?)... and then what do we have? Boris Stuck on a Zipwire Johnson? Sure, everyone makes fun of him and he's less insulting than his demonic counterpart over there and likely more intelligent... certainly more humorous. But ultimately, regardless of any attempts at humour he used all sorts of epithets to stereotype races (although by no means were they as brutal as your candidate's) - and yet magically becomes foreign sec just because "he got us into this mess"... still not as horrible as Farage equating refugees with EU citizens, though, a pandora's box of not only bigotry but utter falsehoods (or Syria is part of the EU in his parallel universe, who knows).

'SJW' or whichever newfangled nonsense bigots come up with does not excuse the fact that the butterfly effect exists and things happen in the real world apart from mere words. I had someone proudly proclaiming they're a fascist on social media... which is, I guess, at least honest, in contrast to those who keep going on about how supposedly justice is the wrong thing. If it was then law wouldn't exist, and if people didn't campaign for change then everyone could still be living under an absolute monarchy. For all the 'alt-right' supposedly hating other religions, it sure seemingly loves Saudi Arabia's template for a fascist government.



It is alarming that you mention the Westboro (who have around 100 members) just because the ADL highlighted them, when the US government gives Israel millions a day to commit ethnic cleansing and you don't say a word.


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03 Sep 2016, 7:29 pm

The murder of the Polish man hasn't even been confirmed as 'racially' motivated! Even if it is, killing someone for no reason is far worse.


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