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auntblabby
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13 Sep 2016, 12:05 am

when he said we're just a fascist oligarchy now.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/10/b ... ed_for_amy
arresting journalists and pols alike for covering the systematic abuse of protesters. the constitution means nothing to these capitalist thugs.



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13 Sep 2016, 12:33 am

auntblabby wrote:
when he said we're just a fascist oligarchy now.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/10/b ... ed_for_amy
arresting journalists and pols alike for covering the systematic abuse of protesters. the constitution means nothing to these capitalist thugs.


Communist and socialist states do the same thing. That's something to remember. Authoritarianism is the term, and it transcends political ideology. The political ideology just determines who gets the boot.

I agree, though. Whilst freedom of press doesn't equal freedom to trespass, the law should be more fluid; trespassing to steal is completely different to trespassing to film a protest. The latter should be given more leeway by the law.



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13 Sep 2016, 12:31 pm

Dillogic wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
when he said we're just a fascist oligarchy now.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/10/b ... ed_for_amy
arresting journalists and pols alike for covering the systematic abuse of protesters. the constitution means nothing to these capitalist thugs.


Communist and socialist states do the same thing. That's something to remember. Authoritarianism is the term, and it transcends political ideology. The political ideology just determines who gets the boot.

I agree, though. Whilst freedom of press doesn't equal freedom to trespass, the law should be more fluid; trespassing to steal is completely different to trespassing to film a protest. The latter should be given more leeway by the law.


Trespass laws are nothing but fascism to begin with. In a truly free society, everybody would be free to roam where ever they wish. In the US wild animals have more freedom then people do. At least animals can't be charged with trespassing. They can go where ever they want.


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13 Sep 2016, 12:42 pm

^Animals may have more freedom to roam, but they can also be killed and eaten. Humans have it better, I suspect.


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13 Sep 2016, 12:57 pm

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^Animals may have more freedom to roam, but they can also be killed and eaten. Humans have it better, I suspect.


That is debatable. The point is that the animals have more freedom then people do in this fascist country. Plenty of humans are getting killed too. The police are executing thousands of humans every year. So not only do we not have as much freedom as a wild animal, but we can also be shot down like wild animals.


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13 Sep 2016, 4:32 pm

0regonGuy wrote:
Trespass laws are nothing but fascism to begin with. In a truly free society, everybody would be free to roam where ever they wish. In the US wild animals have more freedom then people do. At least animals can't be charged with trespassing. They can go where ever they want.


You're removing the freedom of privacy there. Moving freedom to one group from another isn't freedom; it's just shifting it.

I'm sure you won't want me trespassing or squatting in your house, for example.

I agree that there should be leniency in specific instances, though.



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13 Sep 2016, 5:40 pm

at least animals have poaching laws protecting them, not so the lower-class American for whom it is open season 24/7.



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13 Sep 2016, 10:51 pm

Trespass is bad when someone comes uninvited into my home with perhaps the intent to do harm, but I don't believe it was meant to strangle protest.


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13 Sep 2016, 10:54 pm

how is systematically and with malice aforethought, destroying their burial grounds right after they were told not to do so, not an act of violence against the native americans?



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14 Sep 2016, 1:22 am

auntblabby wrote:
how is systematically and with malice aforethought, destroying their burial grounds right after they were told not to do so, not an act of violence against the native americans?


It certainly is, especially since the pipeline guards had used pepper spray and attack dogs on the protesters.


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