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22 Sep 2016, 4:05 am

NEWS SEP 22 2016, 4:29 AM ET Charlotte Protests Over Keith Scott Shooting Descend Into Chaos for 2nd Night

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While city officials initially said that a civilian had been fatally shot, they later corrected their statement to say the victim was in critical condition on life support.


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22 Sep 2016, 6:34 am

The protesters are unintentionally mirroring the behavior of corrupt police officers. I'm not trying to make excuses but just as an abusive parent fosters an environemnt conduvcive to producing an abusive child, an abusive police system fosters an environment conducive to community violence.

If police officers do not acknowledge their own sins, they are willfully perpetuating violence. It's like when a parent says "I can hit you but you can't hit any one else. The police are saying "we can kill people but youcan't." It's like when a parent punishes their child for being an addict but never takes ownership of their own abusive behavior that caused it. I could give more analagoies but you get the point. People are tired of the hypocrisy and some people don't deal well.

Unfortunately many people lack the discipline or resources for self reflection and patience ad honesty and so the cycle of violence continues.c



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22 Sep 2016, 10:13 am

Stop calling these people protesters, they are straight up VIOLENT rioters. Hiding behind this idea that they're these intellectual 'peaceful protestors' is one of the biggest jokes of all time, it's an unthinking stupid movement motivated by media sensationalism and hatred. There should be far less tolerance for these disturbances, all I know is if these rioters tried to stop my car to Reginald Denny me as they rioters did is that my foot wouldn't leave the gas pedal and it might be the last thing they ever do. Lets stop pretending this has anything to do with the 'white police shooting unarmed black men', the hooligans and professional agitators(paid by you know who) in their midst couldn't care less and bring no constructive solution or dialogue.

The cop in question that shot the guy in Charlotte this time actually was black, the officer in Tulsa was a woman, the cop in Milwaukee was black, the cop in Minnesota this summer was Asian/Hispanic, our media tries to frames stories to have a black vs white narrative even when it is completely false. They react before the information is known, they are encouraged by a lying manipulating press, no constructive dialogue, no real goal other than a venting of hatred towards the police, violence and belligerence glorified. Our media is literally trying to promote a race war, the media quite frankly is one of the biggest enemies of America at this point as it is the propaganda box for the corporate fascists.

Our inner cities need change, we need to rebuild our infrastructure and manufacturing base but also we need to reform education by taking the focus away from unionized teachers who oppose school choice and most other meaningful attempts at reform where the primary benefactors will be the urban the black and minority community. Trump is absolutely right when he says; "what the hell do you have to lose at this point?" Democrats indeed have run these cities for 50 or a 100 years at this point, the city I came from was literally ruled by the Socialist Party before the Democrats took over the reigns since. The issue isn't the cops, they are doing a dirty unappreciated job in situations they should not be in. The Dallas Police Chief David Brown was so right when he said that we depend on the police for too much; they're asked to pick up the slack for every societal failure and risk their lives for a pretty measly wage.

I think marijuana legalization will go a ways in making things better, takes money out the hands of criminals/gangs and gives amnesty to those that now live in fear of the police AND these criminals. Bringing what was in the dark into the light is the cure, real drug addiction is a serious health problem and marijuana should be our least concern. I think body cameras are a must at this point, these runaway narratives as so incredibly damaging so we need to actually work with the facts rather than than sensationalist talking points like the debunked notion that somebody surrendered with the hands up. No one actually talks about how to fix this situations, how to cure these communities, coastal elitists look down upon this country from their ivory towers which has been abandoned by our government for decades. How are the winners of today? The hedge fund managers? The speculators? The frauds? It's time to say that places like DETROIT MICHIGAN MATTERS or that CLEVELAND OHIO MATTERS, sure their are some liberals that give lip services helping these communities but the reality is that they are always and forever will be looked at as inhospitable wastelands in 'flyover country' which is we have been so neglected now for decades.



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23 Sep 2016, 1:02 am

Call me paranoid but I would bet money that a cop actually killed the rioter (I'll use the word rioter - fair enough). People at the scene give a different account than the police do.

Whereas you give the police the benefit of the doubt, I give the rioters the benefit of the doubt. We have different biases.



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23 Sep 2016, 1:08 am

Electing Donald Trump, one riot at a time.


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23 Sep 2016, 1:10 am

by the way, you are speculating just as much as I am. The investigation is not complete yet and even when it is complete you can be certain that police will do their damndest to hide anything that would incriminate one of their own.

Just imagine how furious you would be if you were an eyewitness and you knew that the cops were lying to the entire nation on live TV and smiling about it on camera. I'm not saying this is or isn't true, but if it is true, you would be damn furious.

You can call the rioters stupid as much as you want. It doesn't necessarily mean they are. Again we are both speculating about what happened.



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23 Sep 2016, 8:05 am

Before I got pregnant, I used to spent a lot of time visiting Charlotte. It's a two-hour drive away from me and has the best tattoo laser removal expert in this area. I am mostly "out of room" so I have had to remove some tattoos to make room for others. Back when I had time and money for that. Charlotte also has incredible food, draws the best big-name musical artists in my area, and is generally the nicest big city within driving distance of me.

Anyway, so even though I have never been a resident, I feel familiar enough to be indignant at the way Charlotte has been represented by some news outlets. The rioters are clearly mostly college students, not from there. Even if they are local college students, they are not necessarily local residents.

I also wanted to speak to the privilege of ALL of the rioters. I'm not sure if your average person is familiar enough with poor people in general and poor black people in particular to be able to tell that the rioters were NOT poor, but I could definitely tell. As a person who grew up poor, I can tell you that braids are not cheap, not just anyone can put them in. The kinds of clothes people were wearing and the way they were carrying themselves were obviously "college student" to me. The "natural hair" of the girls was also a dead giveaway. That Vanessa Huxatable business is hard to maintain without the proper tools and products.

I'm not saying that everyone was upper middle class and from college, but there was a LOT of that, especially early on. It has bothered me to hear it framed as poor oppressed people rising up.

Oh and also as to the oppression- Charlotte is a mixed race, mixed culture city. But upper class everywhere you go. So you stand in line with every race and every culture as you wait for BBQ that was featured on Food Network. You chat with the same people at the best Starbucks you ever saw. Starbucks' that look like a 5 star restaurant. You shop peacefully with the very same people at Ikea where you all buy the same fashionable cheap cr*p. Absolutely no one is being oppressed because there are no bad areas and no underclass present anywhere.



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23 Sep 2016, 9:47 am

^ "Charlotte: 70% of arrested rioters had out-of-state IDs"

http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/09/23 ... state-ids/

These events have local triggers, but then within a day or two they are actively swarmed by what are basically guerrilla units of the revolutionary Left. It's an established strategy of small-scale warfare.


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23 Sep 2016, 10:54 am

Darmok wrote:
^ "Charlotte: 70% of arrested rioters had out-of-state IDs"

http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/09/23 ... state-ids/

These events have local triggers, but then within a day or two they are actively swarmed by what are basically guerrilla units of the revolutionary Left. It's an established strategy of small-scale warfare.


I don't know if I'd even call it the 'revolutionary left' as a good portion of these agitators are PAID and you can guess by who more often than not. This was the case in Ferguson, Baton Rouge, Milwaukee, etc.



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23 Sep 2016, 11:23 am

Riots are usually a mixture of true outrage, spectators getting caught up in the
excitment, people taking advantage and outsiders. How much of each will vary with each individual riot. This was as true in the '60's riot era as the current one. I am reading Chrissie Hynde's autobiography now and she witnessed the National Guard kill the 4 students at Kent State and participated in the riot downtown a few nights earlier. She wrote she never saw the campus that crowded as on that fateful Monday.

Social Media allows "spontaneous" protests to be organized much faster now. However one can get caught up in the "outside agitator" meme to the point of denial. Outside agitators can not do anything if there is nothing real to exploit.

We might be coming to the point that the National Guard need to be called out every time a video emerges of a black person getting injured or killed by the police. That would be bad on many levels, profiling, guilty before innocent, propaganda victory for elements of the left and right. But if the situation deteriorates to the 1960's with block after block burnt go the ground that damage is very long term.


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23 Sep 2016, 8:20 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
Absolutely no one is being oppressed because there are no bad areas and no underclass present anywhere.


Obviously you've never been to North Charlotte, the Cherry neighborhood, the West Side, West Boulevard, or Griertown.

I lived in Charlotte from 1993 to 2002, and the bad areas with gangs are definately there. Some of them do look like normal suburbia, but the stuff happens quite often. There is a lot of gang and drug activity there. Also Racism in Charlotte goes two ways as it always does, and the shooting as well as the aftermath is the end result of it.

Even though the cop that shot the guy was black, there is a very noticible contingent of lowlifes that happen to be black in Charlotte who will press the issue of racism because that's all they have. --They've bought into the fallacy of the government providing 'free' stuff for too long that they do not care to attempt to better themselves.

Charlotte is also much more racially polarised than the city I live in now which is less than 100 miles away due to the fact that the city that I currently live in, (Columbia, SC) is a major US Army training center, and we also have two AF bases within 50 miles, one of them a major base, (Shaw AFB) and another being a minor airfield, so there is not only a large military presence here, but also a retired military presence here as well. Say what you want about the military, but there is no place for racism with active military, and very little with retired military.

Furthermore because Charlotte is upscale and corporate, those who do not fit that mold really have no place there. Charlotteans of all races have brought this on themselves.


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23 Sep 2016, 9:18 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Darmok wrote:
^ "Charlotte: 70% of arrested rioters had out-of-state IDs"

http://libertyunyielding.com/2016/09/23 ... state-ids/

These events have local triggers, but then within a day or two they are actively swarmed by what are basically guerrilla units of the revolutionary Left. It's an established strategy of small-scale warfare.


I don't know if I'd even call it the 'revolutionary left' as a good portion of these agitators are PAID and you can guess by who more often than not. This was the case in Ferguson, Baton Rouge, Milwaukee, etc.

Evidence?