Scientific evidence for humans having Alpha males?
I usually don't post much in L&D, but I came across this article on a topic that keeps cropping up here:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/bra ... nald-trump
Does there actually exist any scientific evidence that alpha males/females exist in human society, the way it manifests in the animal kingdom?
I keep seeing people referring to alpha/beta males, but I keep thinking the world is a lot more complex than that - and that a lot of men - both autistic and NT - misinterpret women's behaviour because most women are extremely good at pretending to like someone they are scared of.
Secondly, if there are alpha males, where are the alpha females? In the animal kingdom these form pairs. Is that so in human society?
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It doesn't actually exist, biologically at least.
In modern times its usage is just as slang.
Alpha male refers to men who are tall, facially attractive, muscular, and have outgoing, confident and socially successful personalities. They successfully juggle study/work and social life and go on to enter high-earning positions in the workforce that charisma helped them get there.
Beta refers to average or skinny bodied, average or short height, facially average males who have unassertive pushover personalities. They tend to have a strong interest in trying to impress women and for this reason give women power over their feelings and actions. They tend to moderately struggle with study/work.
I'm not saying 'all alpha men are like this' or 'all beta men are like that', I'm just explaining exactly what the meaning of the two terms are.
Yes, 'alpha women' exist.
Think the attractive women with model looks who find socializing easy, have confident outgoing personalities, and also achieve success in the workforce in things such as Personal Training, Management positions, etc.
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I think the evidence would be more anecdotal than scientific. But in any case, there is a certain type of male and female that society favors, and those, I think, are the "alpha" archetypes.
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Studies are conflicting but here is one on humans
http://jbd.sagepub.com/content/32/1/76.short
most studies observe chimpanzees or bonobos because they are similar
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 2/abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7299913891
Unfortunately you may not be able to access the full papers as i can so i do apologize for that.
Dont forget the second episode that suggests males act like bonobos to find love
Alpha people of both genders are generally dangerous psychopaths, in my experience.
But no, it's not really a scientific thing. For starters, we don't live with a large group of people in which many of the women mate with one guy, and that guy makes all the decisions and drives off enemies and beats the shyt out of members who don't tow the line. There's only one adult male and female in my household.
There's even a theory that Islamic terrorism stems from polygyny (many wives). Islam allows polygyny of up to wives, while most Western countries do not (yet). Consider this: top of 20% of men (alphas) have sex with 80% of women; second 20% of men (lucky betas) have sex with remaining 20% of women. This leaves 60% of men (other betas) with no partner. Obviously, this makes them angry. Also, all men want to be alphas, even though the alpha/beta divide is hard-coded into a man's DNA. (There's no equivalent genetic divide in women, although there's a milder social divide.) So in order to feel like alphas, those men turn to extreme measures, which can include terrorism.
Given the rise of polyamory in the West, which is the same as polygyny, minus the legal paperwork, jury is still out on what will become of the Western Civilization. Fortunately, not in my lifetime. And since I'm childfree, I won't be putting my nonexistent descendants through that cluster____.
And how is it not?
Of course people being forced into prostitution is wrong, but those that willingly choose to provide sex for money should be perfectly legal and regulated by law to ensure customers, bosses etc. treat them properly.
Whether or not this is achievable in the long-run is another story.
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I don't believe in the 80/20 rule, but a lot of the time, it certainly feels this way.
I just think overall a lot of young men are simply more unhappier to be single than a lot of single women are, and that's why it seems the majority of people complaining on the internet about being lonely and single are young, early 20s men.
This has just been my experiences.
Many, but not all, men are proactive, many, but not all, women reactive.
Some men are more biologically inclined to 'spread their seed' and live their lives while actively seeking out a partner simultaneously, while some women more often than not just live their lives and wait for the 'right guy' to come along. Some women become proactive once they spend too much time alone. Some naturally prefer to make the first move, but they appear rare.
I've also noticed a lot of young men are far more likely to develop feelings for a female friend than the opposite, and even if a man doesn't develop feelings for his female friend, he'd still give her a chance at a romantic or sexual relationship if she were to simply ask politely.
For a lot of women, however, friendship appears to be very set in stone. If she only sees you as a friend, then she ONLY sees you as a friend. 0 attraction whatsoever. Nothing. Zilch.
This'll be long, so just skip reading it if you already agree with me because it'll waste your time otherwise, but to anyone who disagrees, here's a quote of my massive collection of evidence:
I've noticed a lot of young men may say they're 'just friends' with a woman, but may be secretly attracted to her, or at least would give her a chance and try for a relationship with her if she were interested in him, but the opposite is rarely true.
When a woman only sees a male as a friend, it seems very set in stone and next to impossible to change. She really does see him 100% as a 'brother' type, while at least 10% of men in this world harbor some deep sub-conscious attractiveness to a female friend just waiting to come out.
A few studies show men think their female friend feels the same way, even slightly attracted to them back, but most of the women report they feel NO attraction whatsoever to a male friend:
http://jezebel.com/5928140/men-usually- ... ng-on-them
All of THESE men actually speak of their attractions to their 'completely platonic friend':
http://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-sto ... n-them-on/
This youtube interview video provides more personal experiences:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA
This study says while men and women can be 'just friends', men are more likely to see potential in her as a romantic or sexual partner:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... st-friends
A few studies show men fall in love harder and faster than women:
http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a57 ... tionships/
http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-likely ... en/965285/
The researchers behind a new survey from Match.com seem to think that might be the case. Men apparently fall in love more quickly than women: 54 percent of guys say they've felt love at first sight, for instance, compared to 44 percent of women. Guys are also less interested in having time to themselves, away from their significant other: 77 percent of women say having personal space is "very important," compared to just 58 percent of men, and only 23 percent of guys think it's crucial to have regular nights out with their pals, as opposed to 35 percent of the ladies.
In a study published in the Journal of Social Psychology, Harrison asked 172 college students if they'd ever been in love.
If participants answered yes, she asked how long it took them to say “I love you.” Not surprisingly, men were prone to say it much faster than women, declaring their love after just a few weeks compared to women, who took a few months.
Women are more likely to initiate divorce than men: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... -heres-why
Also, when men and women come together to rate the attractiveness of both sexes, women are overall rated by both men and other women higher, and men are rated lower: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... they-think
OkCupid results show women rate 80% of men as 'below average': https://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your ... ne-dating/
It is in my personal experiences most women do not like to be cold approached by strangers and feel uncomfortable or annoyed by it, and would be unlikely to give a man a chance for a date if he approached her in this manner.
Meanwhile, I can't say I've observed the opposite to be true, because I've seen a lot of men that are very flattered by it and would go on a date with women when cold approached him.
Men are the one's actually affected more by breakups, according to these studies: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/it ... ougher-men
Men are found to be 'more romantic': https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/th ... they-think
The researchers who developed the scale have found that, on average, men outscore women.
In my personal experiences, as I have spent years browsing multiple websites including here, Reddit, Citydata, Social Anxiety Forum, Facebook, Bodybuilding.com, and a variety of other public forums, men who are single and lonely, and men who identify as 'Forever Alone' (have never had a single relationship or ever felt desired by another person in their entire life) appear to significantly outnumber women in the same position, but of course female F/As exist.
Evidence:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ForeverAlone/c ... lone_male/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comment ... alone_men/
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=body ... ilding.com
This collection of my personal experiences, a high amount of the personal experiences of others, and studies and statistics, just goes to provide evidence for the hypothesis that men seek relationships more than women do
I just think overall a lot of young men are simply more unhappier to be single than a lot of single women are, and that's why it seems the majority of people complaining on the internet about being lonely and single are young, early 20s men.
I just think overall a lot of young men are simply more unhappier to be single than a lot of single women are, and that's why it seems the majority of people complaining on the internet about being lonely and single are young, early 20s men.
It's not "global warming", that's an inaccurate label applied by laymen/the public--scientists call it climate change, and the existence of it is not at all debatable. There is an extensive consensus amongst the scientists the world over who have reviewed the evidence that climate change is a real phenomenon that is effected by human activities like the burning of fossil fuels.
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But let's not get off-topic. We're discussing global alpha male populations, not global warming. Carry on.
But let's not get off-topic. We're discussing global alpha male populations, not global warming. Carry on.
Climate scientists don't call it global warming though, because they know that is an inaccurate and incorrect label. It's uninformed and ignorant people who propagate that label. The scientists did not destroy their own credibility, anyone with an education knows that climate change is a real phenomenon.
There are so many holes in your reasoning.
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(he actually acted as a beta, hence why the lion didn't attack him).
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