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29 Nov 2016, 6:44 pm

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if there was a liberal party here, I believe it would free the centrists to be centrists.

Centrists wouldn't want to be with liberals . We like our freedoms

Liberals are the sorts of people who like freedom. Centrists are the sorts of people who believe in a mixed economy (usually roughly as mixed as the country they are in) and generally lack extreme beliefs. You can be liberal and centrist, or you can be neither, or you can be either on its own.

Bill of rights is bill of freedoms aka humans rights.

Wanting to remove or infringe the bill of rights is attacking freedom aka anti freedom.
The liberals are very big in wanting to infringe on all the bill of rights so they are in no way pro ffeedom. They want to control everyone and make them live how they want them to. Again anti freedom

Pro freedom would be respecting the bill of rights and leaving people alone to live how they want. If I want to drink a lot of soda and eat a bunch of cake that's my choice. I don't like liberals telling me I can't then using the police to make me stop.

Centrist are people who aren't liberal and aren't conservative. They fall in the middle having beliefs from both sides but not sharing all from one side.
I'm pro consitution and support welfare. So I fall in between the two sides



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29 Nov 2016, 6:47 pm

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Democrats should of heeded the warnings from people about unchecked executive power and the rights of the minority in our democracy because they were told then that it would all come back to bite them. I think Trump will have a working majority and will be able to peel off vulnerable Democratic Senate votes many of which are up for reelection in 2018, he might not need to invoke the 'nuclear option' but he certainly has all the leverage to. Obstruction and simply not working with Trump is not an option, at least not a very intelligent one going forward considering the potential looming GOP super majority.

Obamacare was passed by a simple majority thru the budget process of reconciliation so it seems fair that it could be used in it's repeal & replacement. Fair is fair. Lets see how cooperative they are with judges because I would support the 'nuclear option' being applied to the SCOTUS as it has been so reduced under Obama with everything else, this is a unique time for the for the court with the amount of potential openings in the next 4 years to 8 years so it is an opportunity of cementing in justices who believe and uphold the constitution as it is written for the next generation. America really was at threat under Hillary Clinton, she despises the constitution and wishes to erode our most basic freedoms and while there is much work to be done it should be known how close we were to losing this country permanently.

We are much better off now than if we had elected non-functioning divided government and I think the markets have reflected that, those looking for retribution for the way they believe Obama was treated I think are foolish since Obama came in not needing a single Republican vote for anything and the concessions he made were strictly to moderates in their own party. Elections matter, majorities matter, I would not have much tolerance for attention seekers or ideological grand standers when it comes to filibusters and I feel this is all justified given how Obama abused the slim majorities that he had and lost(started with a super majory in both houses)

I am encouraged by some of the things I've heard from the incoming Democratic minority in the Senate(not hard to do considering they were under the leadership of Harry Reid before), Chuck Schumer has signaled that he will work with Trump on things that they agree about and that he wanted to force Trump to decide between his populist rhetoric and the free market principles of his party. I think this is where some of those vulnerable Democrats can really come into to play, infrastructure is something Democrats agree with and it's something that tangible that can be brought back home which there has not been much doing the last few yours with all the gridlock


Obama had to depend solely on Democratic votes in congress because the Republicans had made a concerted effort to block anything he wanted. And no, it wasn't necessarily because they disagreed with Obama, but due to total vindictiveness on their part.


Obama had such big majorities that he did not need to compromise or include Republicans in anything at the beginning of his presidency, I think he might of gotten more done if he never had a supermajority like that since of course the GOP would not cooperate if it is not even included in the process but their opposition really meant nothing the elections in 2010 and even when the GOP won Ted Kennedy's seat they still passed Obamacare thru with reconciliation. I think Democrats would be very foolish to think the voters will reward them obstruction.


Thing is, though, on the night of Obama's inauguration, the Republican house and senate leadership had met to conspire to slow government to a snail's pace in order to make Obama's Presidency a single term.

Thank gosh for that ord we'd not have the 2nd amendment. Obama would of regulated it away to nothing if the republicans hadn't stood up and said no!! ! !


Only according to said Republicans.


Yeah no according to the democrats. Who constantly talk about how the republicans are in the way of their gun control plans and throw tantrums over it.
I pay very close attention to congress and politicians when it comes to gun control. I search google every day for gun control, I even have it as a favorite on my apple news app. It's mostly news about some democrat pushing for gun control, or throwing a tantrum cause they can't get guns banned. You turn a blind eye to it cause you either do support it and just trying to put out you dont(I think it's this) or you support evil actions as long as they democrats.

Kinda like the Cold War "yeah he's a ruthless murdering dictator, but he's our ruthless murdering dictator" evil actions are not ok just cause their your side. You should call them out and vot them out of office for violating their oaths to the constitution. Then elect constitutional democrats and reshape the party, until then I'll continue to vote republican


Gun control, or gun rights, just isn't a passion of mine, so that issue doesn't even register with me when I vote. I'm more concerned about health care, civil rights, workers rights, as well as a dependable social safety net, which is why I vote Democrat.

Then why are you always super active in pushing for gun control in such related threads?


I don't. It's just when certain individuals on WP push me - and if the subject at hand is gun rights, or any other for that matter - I push back.


If that was tru you'd never go into a gun Control thread but you do all the time

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30 Nov 2016, 9:25 am

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Liberals are the sorts of people who like freedom.

No they don't----it was the Liberals who "invented" PC, so that whenever somebody says "Boo", someone ELSE can accuse them of some kind of "ism", and get special treatment.

It is also the Liberals who want the government on everybody's doorstep to ensure that nobody uses their finger to pick their own nose; but, instead, uses a government-funded tissue.

It's all about CONTROL----and, that's NOT freedom!!





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30 Nov 2016, 9:32 am

It depends on the liberal.

I'm a person with "liberal leanings" who absolutely ABHORS PC



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30 Nov 2016, 1:23 pm

No, it depends on if you mean liberal or 'liberal'.


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30 Nov 2016, 2:14 pm

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Liberals are the sorts of people who like freedom.

No they don't----it was the Liberals who "invented" PC, so that whenever somebody says "Boo", someone ELSE can accuse them of some kind of "ism", and get special treatment.

It is also the Liberals who want the government on everybody's doorstep to ensure that nobody uses their finger to pick their own nose; but, instead, uses a government-funded tissue.

It's all about CONTROL----and, that's NOT freedom!!

I'm liking most your recent posts in the various anti trump threads.

Yep it's about people control and power. Liberals love power. Libertarians are more about freedom, but they take it bit too far with wanting no government or aid programs.



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30 Nov 2016, 2:48 pm

You don't think conservatives like power, too?

I think many people like power, no matter what their political beliefs are.



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30 Nov 2016, 3:35 pm

Most political labels are purposely misleading and a twisting of their actual meaning, most of the self pro-claimed liberals in this country are actually more authoritarian leaning progressives and social democrats with a heavy dosage of identity politics thrown in. There is nothing particularly liberal about these people and political correctness I think is the very antithesis of liberalism, liberalism in the classical sense means the maximum amount of freedom both in the social and economic sense. Right and left are honestly meaningless lazy terms, the whole point of the dichotomy is mind control and because so many people do not think for themselves it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of conformity as people will try to live up the roles expected of them. Is there only 2 ways of thinking in American politics? Conservative and liberal, right and left? Obviously the answer is no so what purpose is this use of language which we are all guilty of? I believe people need to think for themselves, the should consider their own values and with the perspective of what is personally important to them. Judge others by the merits of what they have said rather than being influenced by personal prejudice, the world as it is does not exist in a vacuum and we can't ignore that but reality and the right now are what is truly important rather than self-destructive rumination about the past. People need to move on and think towards the future as to how it applies to them personally.

I don't really identify with any of these labels, I suppose some would call me right wing or conservative and in some regards I am according to their definitions when it comes to certain issues whereas there other positions & beliefs that would be called libertarian and others yet that might even be seen as far left(Believe it or not I've been called a communist more than a couple times on this website) so I feel like I have developed a fairly synthetic belief system which I have developed over the course of my lifetime. Generalizations are something we're all guilty of but I think we'd mostly all agree that it's best to just try to address argument in front of you rather than the individual(s) themselves, the whole point of this lazy language is to get someone involved to go hey "I identify as X and that's not true therefor what they say has no merit" even when all that bonds them is a meaningless label.



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30 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm

The run up in stock prices means that stock traders expect businesses to earn more money.
This may or may not result in more or better jobs. A big expense for businesses is the cost of its employees.
If one can replace workers with automation, that will cut costs and increase profits. Government regulations can also be a major expense--removing them can also result in bigger and better profits for shareholders.

As I see it, in the new economy, post election, it will be better to be a shareholder than a worker. Unless you are one of the lucky few elite workers needed to run the automation.



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30 Nov 2016, 4:13 pm

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I'm sorry to everyone who will be hurt by Trump's rhetoric. When I voted, I was not thinking of my marginalized friends. I was not thinking of the kids in school being beat up, having their property vandalized by Trump supporters. I was not thinking of the riots that my vote would cause, that hurt innocent people and animals. I was only thinking of myself. I was not thinking of my country or my peers. I voted from a place of privilege as a natural-born white Christian, and my vote hurt everyone. I am so, so sorry. I wish there was a way I could make it up to everyone. Just know that I will regret my decision for the rest of my life.


Relax. Some good will come of this. At the very least the Democrats have been told in no uncertain terms they they have lost the trust of a large element of the voting public, in particular the Independent voters. No Republican can win unless the Independents pitch in with the Republicans. This, I hope, will scare the Democrats straight. They have betrayed the workers and the middle class and have been duly chastised in the last election. I hope they learn a valuable lesson from this.

As for the Republicans, I fear they are beyond repair. After Ronny Reagan they lost their wits entirely and have ceased to be a Loyal Opposition to the Democrats. They are now just stupid and obstructionist.


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30 Nov 2016, 4:40 pm

I've been called a racist/Zionist/left wing traitor/communist. Some people just need to use labels otherwise they get confused.


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30 Nov 2016, 4:55 pm

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As for the Republicans, I fear they are beyond repair. After Ronny Reagan they lost their wits entirely and have ceased to be a Loyal Opposition to the Democrats. They are now just stupid and obstructionist.

The republican party needs to take a step back and re-evaluate itself, then emerge as an entity that can identify with a 21st century electorate. They need an overhaul of thier image and purpose and these next four years is the time to do that.


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03 Dec 2016, 1:54 pm

So many more regret voting for him because he's reneging his campaign promises and defended Wall Street. You aren't alone. While everyone here is focused on the riots, Trump is making deals that are the exact opposite of what they wanted. He's that charming Devil their mothers warned them about.



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03 Dec 2016, 1:55 pm

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So many more regret voting for him because he's reneging his campaign promises and defended Wall Street. You aren't alone. While everyone here is focused on the riots, Trump is making deals that are the exact opposite of what they wanted. He's that charming Devil their mothers warned them about.

now just watch them turn around and blame the democrats for this.



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03 Dec 2016, 2:10 pm

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So many more regret voting for him because he's reneging his campaign promises and defended Wall Street. You aren't alone. While everyone here is focused on the riots, Trump is making deals that are the exact opposite of what they wanted. He's that charming Devil their mothers warned them about.

now just watch them turn around and blame the democrats for this.


Yep I see it happening. People love to blame the other party and not take responsibility for their party's OWN actions. Trump just keeps lying and lying. I'm still thinking he's going to be impeached 4-6 months into his term.



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So many more regret voting for him because he's reneging his campaign promises and defended Wall Street. You aren't alone. While everyone here is focused on the riots, Trump is making deals that are the exact opposite of what they wanted. He's that charming Devil their mothers warned them about.

now just watch them turn around and blame the democrats for this.


Yep I see it happening. People love to blame the other party and not take responsibility for their party's OWN actions. Trump just keeps lying and lying. I'm still thinking he's going to be impeached 4-6 months into his term.

the same professor who predicted his electoral landslide also predicts his impeachment within 2 years.